Scientists Shocked as Arctic Polar Route Revealed 568
Paladin144 writes "A route unencumbered by perennial sea ice leading directly to the North Pole has been revealed by recent satellite pictures. European scientists indicated their shock as they noted a ship could sail from Europe's northern-most outpost directly to the pole, something that hasn't been possible during most of recorded human history. The rapid thawing of the perennial sea ice has political implications as the U.S., Canada, Russia and the EU jockey for control of the newly opened passages."
trade with russia (Score:5, Interesting)
I would think this will open up lots of new trade opportunities between Russia and North America. I don't know what that could mean, but it is certainly interesting. What kind of manufacturing prowess does Russia have that has been heretofore underutilized because they could not as efficiently get goods to North American ports? Or is this all a bunch of hooey?
(I thought of this because I remember reading this article about Pat Broe [commondreams.org], which may or may not have been slashdotted, but it is about an investor in the Canadian port of Churchill, Manitoba, which could well profit from an opened northern passage.)
By the way, I live in Manhattan, and I think it's about time to move...to some city somewhere that's 20 or 30 miles inland.
Re:Shocking? Not really... (Score:5, Interesting)
The implications... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:trade with russia (Score:3, Interesting)
Someone wants to build a bridge across the Bering Strait, to re-link Asia and North America. Building that bridge is hard enough, but the real problem is that for it to be useful, we'd have to build a highway -- on both sides -- that'd have to be literally thousands of miles long just to get to any population centers. So, alas, no road trips to Beijing are in our future here in the USA.
One guy who knows? (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe he did? Check out Chukotka on a map and see for yourselves
http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-instit
Re:strategic paradigm shift... (Score:4, Interesting)
Rovaniemi is a town close to the artic circle in Finland and Finland is a country between Sweden and Russia.
Finland used to be the eastern part of Sweden, but lost it to the Russians in a war. So, depending of the age of santa, he is either a Finn, a Swede or a Russian.
Re:Actually, it'll be more sane. (Score:5, Interesting)
Luckily, I live in the area which will be unaffected, so all I have to do to get rich is buy massive amounts of land here. Still, the implications would be enormous.
The more I think of it, the more I believe we should act, and act quick. But I'm not certain as to act upon WHAT exactly.
Re:strategic paradigm shift... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:strategic paradigm shift... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:action please (Score:2, Interesting)
Another thing that follows from the same Gore movie is that current global warming is in line with periodical "ice age" style variations of global temperature.
All you need, you alarmists, is to watch the same Gore movie, in particular the scientific evidence he presenting not some "global warming for dummies" style illustritions.
It is not about warming or not. It is about (a) how much warmer (b) how much are we contributing to this.
Lutefisk explained (Score:3, Interesting)
Most likely [wikipedia.org], there was a fire. And then lye was created by combination of ashes+water, and the lye damaged the fish. But throwing away the fish was not an option, so the hungry folks did their best with what they had - and hey presto! Lutefisk was born..
But yeah, only crazy people eat lutefisk. And crazy people are not to be messed with!
And while we're at nasty Norwegian food, check this [flickr.com] out! Yep - baked sheep's head.
Re:Language and assumption troubles (Score:2, Interesting)
For the critics (Score:2, Interesting)
A lot of the 'science' that questions our role in global warming is in fact funded, directly or indirectly, by big industries like the oil industry. Doesn't that make you a little suspicious? The global scientific community has no reason to lie about this. There is not some massive conspiracy amongst climatologists to increase their prestige and funding. Occam's razor people.
Critics try to use scientific principles to discredit climate research that links mankind to climate change. What the hell? These are SCIENTISTS that are doing this research, they are PEER REVIEWED papers they are putting out. Don't you think that they have already been subject to the most rigorous scientific scrutiny?
Re:Shocking? Not really... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Actually, it'll be more sane. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:trade with russia (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Shocking? Not really... (Score:4, Interesting)
Of course, in the US, everyone's totally chuffed if you live in a "historic" house. You know, like one from the 1920s.
Right of Passage (Score:2, Interesting)
Now it should be obvious to everyone why global politicians are so "blind" to global warming. Where all the political and business interest opposition to the science comes from, and how huge it really is.
The Old World (led by the "EU") colonized the New World as just a part of their quest for a "Northwest Passage" [wikipedia.org] between their European and Asian coasts. Half a millennium of genocide, rape, pillage and pollution have followed, making those in the business more rich, powerful and evil than imagined before. Now they're finally getting such a direct route, between even more valuable ports. No opposition from any academics, grassroots political organizations, and documentary movies is going to get in the way of that engine that's moved the world for all of modern history.
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shock wears off (Score:2, Interesting)
Living in a "Windstorm II" area [state.tx.us], our bigggest concern is wind-blown debris smashing a window, which lets the wind blow inside, which can then rip the roof off from the inside. That's why hurricane shutters are a big deal. (We're still saving up to buy nice shutters for our house.) Our stick-built house, with brick "veneer", is built to withstand winds gusting to 110 MPH. Note that the above Louisiana success story added $12K to the cost of the house, and would probably violate most planned-subdivision regulations.
That said, a friend from Puerto Rico was shocked when she first moved up here. She nearly put her hammer through the wall trying to hang a picture. "What! The walls aren't made of cement blocks?!"
Re:Actually, it'll be more sane. (Score:3, Interesting)
That's a real phenomenon. Of course, it's a long-term one. The North American continent is still in the return swing of it's sea-saw motion, with the part of the continent above the 49th parallel (Canada) rising while the southern half sinks. The northern half was pressed down by the ice during the last ice age, and is still rising from when it all melted away 10,000 years ago.
But that won't affect the ice sheet in question in this article, since this ice sheet is floating on top of the Arctic Ocean and rests on no land at all.
Reality's well known liberal bias (Score:3, Interesting)
Most of the world's nations that contribute to climatology are well to the left of the US, and they and our slightly less conservative party (Democrats) are in agreement about global warming. Reality has a well-known liberal bias, so there you go. It's pretty simple, really.
Re:trade with russia (Score:3, Interesting)
Interesting analysis. Brings up one question though... Being a Mechanical Engineering and Comp-Sci type I honestly don't know, so I'll ask... In your 1.000 m^3 of salt water, how much of the *volume* is due to water, and how much is due to salt? I understand the salt is dissolved into the water, but do the salt molecules fit perfectly between the water molecules? That is, if I take 1.000 m^3 of fresh water and throw in 20.1 kg of sea-salt, do I still have 1.000 m^3 of (now salty) water?
The reason I ask is that in your analysis, at the end, your 915 kg of fresh water would not be fresh for very long. It would absorb salt from the surrounding water. This pulling salt from that water might (?) pull down the volume it occupies. Granted, at the same time it would be adding salt to the fresh water volume. The real question is, is there a volume change by adding/removing salt, and is the relationship linear? If it is not linear, you might get more of a volume reduction from the (relatively) high salinity water than you would get from adding the initial salt to the fresh.
I guess what you'd really have to look at is the total volume of the oceans, volumes of salt and water, mass of salt and water. Then look at how much volume you'd gain for the oceans by pulling out the ice, and how much volume you'd have at the end, with the net slightly lower salinity after difusing all that fresh water back in.
Re:Shocking? Not really... (Score:2, Interesting)
You must mean in the US. Over here (South America) plenty of new houses are made of brick (reinforced with concrete beams if I'm correct, I don't know much about building).
Here's a Colombian website which shows the basic Spanish system that's also used here (Uruguay)
http://www.senamed.edu.co/cursos%20virtuales/cons
Err... well, we might have to modify our building style over here thanks to the global climate changes... we had what amounts to a small hurricane last year, and we were thoroughly unprepared, it toppled lots of antennas, killed several people and most are still rebuilding (brick houses aren't as easy to rebuild as the wooden ones, I give you that).
In fact, someone who studied in Cuba told me housing there isn't built to resist, exactly the opposite... cheap to build and cheap to re-build after an hurricane.
Re:Actually, it'll be more sane. (Score:3, Interesting)
While it's true that most of the land in Calfornia and New York State is above sea level, don't forget that much of the *population* is concentrated at or very close to the coastline. New York City, in particular, would be FUCKED by a rise in sea level, and other cities like San Francisco would also be in trouble (remember, the sea has tides). Even if most of California and New York remain above water, it would still be a tragic loss -- otherwise one could argue that the devastation of New Orleans was only a "minor" loss compared to the relative safety of Louisiana.
> Now Virginia Beach, Virginia, home of Pat Robertson, GONE. And not a moment too soon.
If I was still a church-goin' Christian, I'd say, "Amen to that, brother."