The Wii Takes NYC 264
The news came in late from Japan, with details on the North American launch. This morning, Nintendo's New York press conference expanded our understanding of what's going to be happening on November 19th. 1up has coverage of the event, as well as Japan's virtual console pricing, the opening lineup details for Japan, and news that the ex-FFXII director is excited about the Wii. Hopefully this will mean innovative support of the platform by Square/Enix. Over at Gamespot, they have their own conference coverage, as well as a rundown on the system's media functionality and first-hand comments from the engineers that built it. Finally, for a bit of analysis, Next Generation explores what the return of the pack-in (the inclusion of Wii Sports with the console) means for the industry at large.
Roping non-gamers in (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't say how it will turn out as my crystal ball is at the dry cleaner's, but I think this could work. I mean, I don't live in a very tech-literate country (france), but I know more than a few people who'd want to give the "digital lifestyle" a try. And yeah, I know peter moore coined that term first.
As a casual gamer, I can't say I care about those addons. Hey, it's free, and it could be good, but it also means some people were out coding this instead of a mario game. But it's an interesting strategy nonetheless.
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My biggest concern is resolution. Weather is ok but viewing text news and web browsing on a TV in 720x480 (or worse: interlaced 640x480) probably wont be a very pleasant experience for the eyes. I completely agree with Nintendo's reasons for not supporting HD resolutions but without HD text is either impossible to read or
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Man that gives me an interesting idea
Any way I hope they open up the channels for developers like Microsoft did with the XBox. I would love to try to homebrew a few apps for the Wii.
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Why the 19th? (Score:2)
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-Eric
Mii (Score:5, Funny)
Can Snakes on a Wii be one step closer to a reality?
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Pack ins (Score:3, Insightful)
If they enjoy Wii and Wii Sports for a few weeks, and then allow it to gather dust, like so many other toys, the company's gambit will have failed, and it will need to fight it out as an also-ran third place player.
Well, it's a risk I guess. But I imagine that anyone vaguely social who bought the basic Wii package on its own, would be out buying one or more extra controllers very shortly thereafter. It looks like a game that cries out to be played multiplayer.
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I don't understand what the problem is. If someone goes to buy one and doesn't purchase another game
What?!? (Score:5, Insightful)
This stuff is great. Seriously. I like that they are doing this.
However. I never, EVER want to hear from the Nintendo fanboys about how their favourite console eschews all the 'useless bells and whistles' to focus with laserlike intensity on pure gameplay.
Obviously not. They are as eager to pack on the feature-creep as Sony and MS.
(and to reiterate - i like these features, and I have defended Sony and MS for them. Just stating the common N-fan counterargument is that it was all extra fluff that distracted from the point of the thing.)
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Well, this Nintendo fangirl is grumbling. Happy now?
Ok, I'm not terribly upset about it, but these things seem kinda useless to me. I (and probably many people who are buying Wiis instead the higher-end consoles) have a cheap TV so I do
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Um, no. I'm not really looking to piss off Nintendo users.
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I was teasing. Sorry if I didn't use the right emoticons or something. :-0
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Nintendo's (American) marketing strategy is interesting. The pictures on the website look like something out of Ikea or Apple's play book. Pictures of hip 20 and 30 year olds, and their families. The website has a clean almost stark look. It seems aimed at the more adult 20-30 year old crow
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wii.com updated (Score:4, Informative)
Never noticed it before, but it's a brilliant idea (Score:2)
I was just watching the video, wondering how many of these things were going to get broken when the removal of centripital forces from your hand allows the device to go flying towards the TV. Now I feel much safer.
To quote Mel: Swing Away!
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-Eric
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Like I said though, we'll all have to try it before we know for sure.
still supprised at the $250 price tag. (Score:4, Interesting)
So the thing I'm curious about is if they are trying to do this in order to make bank on the release. (Nintendo always tries to turn a profit on the console as well as the games. What an insane business model) and then once the period where they sell out instantly every time a shipment comes in is over they will drop the price, hopefully causing another huge wave of adoption.
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The core system really isn't that bad at all. There are 4 accessories that make up the difference between the core and premium versions 1. the hard drive, 2. the headset for voice chat, 3. the HD video cables, and 4. a wireless controller instead of wired.
Considering the Wii 1. has no hard drive, 2. has no headset, 3. has no HD video cables, and 4. may or may not ship with a wireless wii-mote. I'd say the Core version could
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Also, the Wii comes with wireless networking built-in. I don't think that's true of the XBox 360 Core. And don't forget that the Wii has backwards-compatibility which XBox Core does not.
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Although I don't think Nintendo ever intended to release them to the public.
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Reguardless of the feature differences between the Wii and the Core I think the biggest differences are in the games, they both offer distinctinctivly different gaming experiences. Basically my point is that it makes the Core more desirable to non-gamer gift givers this holiday who don't know much about the differences. And it als
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I thought the wiimote was only going to be wireless (except for some early demos). Would be rather awkward with a wire, but I could be wrong.
Anyways, I don't think those things matter to most Wii buyers. The Wii is pushed at casual gamers, and those who like to play silly fun multiplayer games
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Wrong Assumption (Score:2)
I wouldn't pay for a 360 *even if it was the same price* as the Wii.
I have been holding out specifically for the Wii. The Wii looked totally revolutionary from the beginning, and is just getting better and better. Nintendo seems way ahead of MS in creating a media portal with the Wii - the 360 has no free browser, weather listings, news service, photo editor, etc. All these features,along with the media pla
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Except then you'd still need to buy a game.
The thing is, we all had our expectations for a $200 Wii set by previous Nintendo console launches, which have always been $200 in the States. However this was the price without a game. Game bundles were either more expensive or came well after launch. So I can't say I'm surprised at all with the price. $250 is what I would have guessed if you'd asked me what the Wii launch price would be if it
Re:still supprised at the $250 price tag. (Score:4, Insightful)
Smart move indeed. It looks like Nintedno is going to indoctrinate you into using their controllers whether you like it or not. Sure you may want Zelda but Nintendo wants to show off the controller. Wii sports gives you the opportunity to use the controller in a variety of different ways on familiar subjects. You may not be an avid player of any of the sports games Wii offers but you've at least seen them enough to know how they should be played. By the time Wii Sports gets played to death by someone, they will be quite proficient at the use of the Wii controller in general.
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On the other hand, Wii Sports is likely to show off the new features of the console (motion sensing-based gameplay, Miis, etc) better than Zelda, so forcing everyone to purchase Wii Sports may be a smart move on their part.
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I think Nintendo would like everyone to play with the full range of Wiimote features early on. It looks as if Zelda will mostly use a more traditional control method (with some tacked on stuff for the Wiimote).
Since the Wiimote is the one big thing that distinguishes Wii from Gamecube (3x performance increase isn't that big a deal; nor is slighly better graphics), you'll be a happier consumer if you get to use it right away, right?
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Which second controller? According to Gamespot the Wii will come with only one controller, second controller cost $40 + another extra $20 for Nunchuk.
Seeming Ease of Use (Score:2, Insightful)
The suprising news though is.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Japan will get it December 2nd.
Now figure that one out.
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I may be cynical (Score:2)
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As for price, a $1:£1 conversion would make the Wii (at £250) more expensive than t
Wii Weather (Score:2)
Interesting feature. Al Roker would be proud.
If it's anything more than a glorifed version of the Weather Channel webpage (and closer to the real weather webpage [weather.gov], complete with other [noaa.gov] departments [noaa.gov]), I'll be impressed and probably use it. Otherwise it's probably just a feature I won't use.
What should it be compared to? (Score:4, Interesting)
The core you say? But thats crap, it's missing so much! It depends, if you compare it to the Wii (games aside), the controller is (more or less) all that the 360 doesn't have (this is of course a big lacking), on the other hand the 360 has pretty impressive horse power (games like dead rising show how horse power when properly applied can be more than just nice graphics, getting all of those zombies on one screen requires some oomph).
So is the price really that amazing? The Wii is nothing special hardware wise, sure Nintendo is taking a profit, good for them, and MS makes a loss on the 360, but what does the consumer care? All they see is $250 vs $300...
Now what about the controllers? You have to buy the parts *seperate?*... Being in australia that $20 and $40 will probably be a sales price of $95 AUD total... That is almost twice what we were paying for game cube controllers.. How can you justify that? Sure the controllers are innovative, but then again as mentioned the 360 is powerful, loss or profit aside, the public sees the price. Really tho, just how much can it cost to make a controller?..
As a small credentials check, I have owned just about every nintendo platform there is (virtual boy aside...), so I definately don't want to bash them, but really, as someone who is approaching the Wii from a gamers perspective, I have to wonder if it is all it is really cracked up to be. $250 is cheap for this generation, but it is still a lot of money, the game cube launched for $200, 5 years ago (to yesterday), and the Wii's hardware isnt *that* far ahead of it, I would have thought that it could all be manufactured for much less.. Well, I am sure it is, but Nintendo really is being a little greedy here
As a final note, maybe its worth it, as in one of their major markets (japan), and hell, in europe, they really are only competing against the PS3 unless some major things change with the 360. Being in a country with US like tastes (finding game cube games here in australia is hard, EB is about all that stock them these days), it is frustrating...
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Maybe thats just me.
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Without a game.
No, I don't really think Wii Sports is worth $50, but the point is that this is not the same launch package as previous $200 Big-N consoles.
No sugar coating = respect from me (Score:3, Interesting)
A: Most titles will support widescreen. Nintendo has a different paradigm for what turns on the consumer. "If you want power, you're going to go somewhere else."
How many other companies would be as forthright as this? Nintendo friggin rocks. As I was playing Monkey Island 2 with SCUMMVM last night I realized how little cutting-edge graphics matter in the construction of an outstanding game. I haven't been this excited about a console since the SNES. I'm getting in on the ground floor with an extra wiimote and Warioware.
I want to clarify a couple of things (Score:5, Interesting)
1) The date. Everyone was hoping for an early release (me included!) but I'm assuming the business strategy is to go after the poor schmucks that won't be able to get a PS3. The PS3 launches only 2 days before it, and there will be VERY few of them. (Half of which will be bought up by people only to be put up on ebay
2) a) Pricing. They said it would be under $250. When companies say that, it'll probably be $249.99. Which it basically is
2) b) For those of you saying "$250? Pshaw, XBOX 360 Core is only $300. People will think it's only $50 more and buy a 360". Right, let's compare a 360 Core system that comes with nothing. To a system that comes with a game, and ahem
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Which means that I'll need to pay $250 for the console + $120 to get 3 extra controllers + $20 to get an extra nunchuck = $390, and then probably an extra $40 later when more complicated 4 player games start requiring them. (I'm assuming Wii Sports doesn't require the nunchuck, but I could be wrong...)
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Yes it only includes 1 controller and 1 nunchuk attachment. They'll be sold for $40 and $20 respectively. Which does seem a little steep, but it's certainly NOT your regular same old controller. A lot of tech is in that wii-mote. Remember, a lot of the innovation for this generation console from Nintendo is in that controller. So to get it down to $40 is in fact, q
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Darn, for me, this $250 price tag only means that I will have to pay something like £190 (~$358.817 USD xe.com) for the darn thing... I *am*
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Not apples to apples (Score:2)
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Pricing summary for the lazy: (Score:4, Informative)
$250 : main system, 1 Wii-mote, 1 nunchucks, Wii Sports
$40 : extra Wii-motes
$20 : extra nunchucks
$50 or less : new Nintendo made games (no cap on third-party games)
$5 : downloadable NES games
$8 : downloadable SNES games
$10 : downloadable N64 games
$?? : Opera browser
and the gamecube version of Zelda:TS will come out ~3 weeks after the Wii version; Metroid Prime 3, not 'till 2007.
Wii System Interface (Score:4, Insightful)
I really want my FRIENDS to buy this (Score:3, Interesting)
I think the wii-mote is a really cool idea. Similar to ideas in the past, the power-glove, the fishing-rod, the gun. But so much more so and can definitely be used in interesting ways. My apparent (i haven't touched anything yet) problem with it is that when i want to play video games I want to sit down on my couch, put my feet up and unwind. I fear that with the wii-mote you'll be forced to move around! Oh no. What if i just want to sit there but the sword game I'm playing requires me to be all active and crap.
Eh maybe it won't be a problem, but as i said, I really want my friends to get one.
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Imagine sitting on your couch and pointing at things on your TV with a laser pointer. When you're 10 feet away, you only need to turn the pointer a few degrees to get it to move much further across the screen. While Nintendo's promo videos show people playing
The pack-in (Score:2)
I don't see how this is a gamble. If Nintendo is selling the system at a profit (and I'm sure they will be) then they've made some money. It might only be a couple of bucks, but it's still profit - even if it gets thrown in the trash the moment it gets home.
If you look at the competition's model, they're gambling way more that their custome
Wii-Mote is not the end of the world (Score:2, Insightful)
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Wii Channels (Score:2)
Based off the movies on wii.com [wii.com], this thing will probably set Japan aflame in numbers similar to the DS and DS Lite. Further comments below...
Wii Media Center? (Score:2, Interesting)
power consumption? power consumption? (Score:2)
Ok, I understand the desire to get out of the more-and-more-and-more-quote-realistic-unquote-gra phics race. I completely do. Suspension of disbelief occurs for me in a game of atari pitfall.
But why am I supposed to care about power consumption of my game console? The only explaination they give for this is that now its possible to leave the Wii on 24/7, opening exciting
a little info on the controller (Score:2)
Whoa! Wii to be Region-Free! (Score:4, Informative)
Wii to be region-free [1up.com]
This thing is starting to look like it has all the ingredients to be a big success.
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All they need to do is advertise how much cool WiiStuff you can get for the price of the PS3.
(Anyone done the math? How many games, accessories, etc can you get for that price? What is your ultimate WiiBundle for the price of a PS3?)
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3 Extra Wiimotes - $120
1 Extra Nunchuk - $20
2 Retro Controllers - $40
Rayman - $50
Excite Truck - $50
Zelda - $50
2000 points for the VC - $20
Total $600, the same price as the PS3 with nothing extra.
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Execpt those three games, and VC points (i.e a couple of retro games), and 4 or 5 more controllers than the PS3. Do you really consider that nothing? Or have I missed some subtle sarcasm?
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Total $600, the same price as the (PS3 with nothing extra)
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Re:before people complain (Score:4, Insightful)
To use your comparison
Wii (w/game, controller, built in WiFi, and memory card access) - $250
3 Extra Wiimotes - $120
1 Extra Nunchuk - $20
2 Retro Controllers - $40
Zelda - $50
2000 points for the VC - $20
Or...a $500 PS3 and controller with no games, no WiFi, no memory card access, and no HDMI port(which defeats the point of having BluRay on there in the first place)
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Personally I don't see
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The Wii doesn't include any of the accessories included with the Premium 360 so why compare it to that? The only things the 360 looses without the hard drive is Backward compatibility and the the ability to download things that
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Wii vs 360? You're right, one will deliver amazing graphics and hopef
Re:before people complain (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah...but it'll be nothing compared to the wait for OGG...
(ducks)
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Wii Sports: Baseball, Tennis, Boxing, Bowling, Golf.
Brings back memories of the "Pong Sports" cart included with the Atari 2600.
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Almost everyone was expecting a price in the 150 to 200 dollar range
Everyone stupid, maybe. Besides, not too many people were expecting a pack-in game.
The way this reads in the real world is on the top-left corner of USA Today's front page this morning. "Wii to launch at $250, half the price of the cheapest PS3."
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I thought we were expecting $200 to $250? With a pack-in game $250's plenty reasonable. I want a Wii for $5, too, but I'm not all huffy that they actually want to make money.
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Lots of games using lots of ways to use the controller. Lots of ways for you to know this already. Zero ways to take your post seriously.
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Q: How much are additional remotes?
A: The Wiimote has a MSRP of $39.99 and the nunchuk has an MSRP of $19.99 -- they are sold separately.
So does that mean the controllers that come with the Wii AREN'T the Wiimote? So if you want to get a couple of those its going to basically cost $300?
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9:29 am: But what's in the box? One Wii remote, one nunchuk both included. Don't forget about Wii Sports, the first pack-in game at launch since the SNES. Speaking of which, we're now seeing a demo of bowling, one of the games included in Wii Sports.
So I guess it does come with them? I guess this confusing info is what I get for reading information this early right after the announcement
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The wiimote is usable without the nunchuk attachment (not all games use it).
You seem to be easily confused.
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$250 isn't for everyone (Score:2)
-sirket
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Wii Sports doesn't cost anything to make, so it probably doesn't affect the price.
This is the launch price, but if you wait a while they'll probably drop to $200.
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-sirket
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If you look at the DS, there are some games that don't use the touchscreen
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