Steve Irwin Dead 1004
mkosmo writes "News.com.au is reporting that Steve Irwin was killed in a freak accident while filming one of his well known documentaries. Surprisingly it wasn't a crocodile, it was a sting-ray."
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Honestly, this was a long time coming (Score:5, Insightful)
Thanks Steve (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately, while he stood as a model environmentalist, he now stands as an example of the dangers of directly interacting with wild animals.
Jim
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Re:Freak Accident? (Score:1, Insightful)
i live 200km South of where it happened, makes me realize how much caution you need around the wildlife of the sea.
R.I.P. Steve. (Score:5, Insightful)
I met him briefly once or twice - he was a friend of a friend - and while he used to ham it up for the cameras, he was a nice guy and very passionate about wildlife.
*sigh*
He will be missed.
The world is lessened (Score:5, Insightful)
I heard about this a couple of hours ago while talking online on a MUD I used to code for. The first thought I had was that the world was a lesser place without him, just like the world was reduced when Fred Rogers passed. This was a Grade-A human being, and in an odd way very important to me. Let's just say my dog's name is Bindi.
Good luck, Steve.
Darwin (Score:3, Insightful)
Respect (Score:5, Insightful)
Invincible (Score:3, Insightful)
A lot of people I have spoken to feel the same way, much like when Princess Di died, its just almost inconceivable.
He was a controversial Australian hero and I hope he will be remembered for all the good things he did and not just the bad.
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
It was funny. Dark and morbid, sure. But funny.
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
It is damn funny. Irwin himself has probably play-acted a death like that a hundred times for the comedic effect.
Besides, all humor originates from the misfortune of others. Try to come up with something funnier than a knock-knock joke that isn't at the expense of someone - you'll be at it for quite a while.
RIP, Steve (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Your sentence does not parse. I suggest you stop frothing.
I'd like to go up to you now and stab a fucking stingray barb through your heart! THEN find it funny!
Actually, the irony of your statement is very funny. Here you are going on and on about how terrible it is to joke at death, and now you have gone waaaay beyond that and are making death threats. You are clearly unbalanced if you think you've got any moral high ground any more.
Re:Thanks Steve (Score:4, Insightful)
Why is this unfortunate? I think that this is fortunate in two ways:
1. Stupid people are less likely to mess with wild animals. That's good for the animals.
2. People are reminded that no matter what kind of technology we have, nature is going to get ALL of us in the end, and there's a good chance that many of us could be easily wiped out by something as massive as a hurricane or as wild as a stingray (apparently). It teaches people to be both humbled and awed by nature. That's good for people.
Ignoring all the stupid crap (Score:5, Insightful)
*You* may have not liked the guy; maybe you hated him. His style, his 'in your face attitude' about "Outback" animals might have been a little bit too 'kooky' for what most mainstream Americans are used to. But anyway...
I met him once while on a flight out to LA (I think he was doing the Late Show /w Leno) and honestly I've never met anyone who had such a zest for life. Seriously, the guy was so upbeat about EVERYTHING, it was hard to ignore him.
People like him are so special. I'll never forget him, and I hope you all won't either.
Re:Respect (Score:5, Insightful)
My mother's in remission if anyone cares.
An awesome life full of adventure (Score:4, Insightful)
Ironically... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Thanks Steve (Score:3, Insightful)
Wild animals can be dangerous and there's no way around that. In combination with his intended message, his death is probably a good lesson to leave nature alone, and that's one of the best environmental messages one can give.
Doin What He Loved (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Now that's ironic (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:With all due respect to the man ... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Thanks Steve (Score:5, Insightful)
I always preferred Sir David Attenborough. That is someone who truly loves and respects nature. Perhaps Steve did too, but watching his show it seemed to be more about him being wild and wacky and less about the animals. They were just there to be annoyed and do "dangerous" things.
Try wathing Living Planet, Life in the Undergrowth, Blue Planet or something like that. Better footage, better science, better drama...
Re:Thanks Steve (Score:5, Insightful)
Some do - and I have the scars to prove it. Anyone who has worked elbow deep in an old computer case (the ones without rolled edges) will know what I'm talking about.
Re:Thanks Steve (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I'm surprisingly upset (Score:5, Insightful)
Secondly, he spends all the money he gets reinvesting into australian wildlife in one form or another. Hearing that he buys up huge tracts of land just so the animals living there could just do their thing really got my respect.
I think it's appropriate that he died doing the things that he loved, but my condolences go to his family, who more than anyone else will fell the loss of a husband, father and decent bloke.
-- Dan =(
Re:oblig (Score:1, Insightful)
You wanna know what is not funny? The 5 million people who have been murdered or killed by disease and famine in Rwanda and the Congo over the last deacde. That shit is not funny.
One celebrity kicking the bucket because he deliberately risked his own life is NOTHING compared to what was done to those people.
You need a god damn sense of perspective you fucking self righteous twit.
Re:why did it kill him? (Score:5, Insightful)
On the other hand, since it was Stever Irwin, it's easy to imagine he was trying to horse around with them. I don't see why that makes people vindictive though. When Dale Earnhart died, I didn't hear anybody say "Ha! Only a fool would drive in Nascar!" We all choose to take some chances, and my guess (just a guess) is that if there had been 100,000 Stever Irwins, more would have died in traffic accidents than due to animals.
I thought the exact thing (Score:4, Insightful)
The first thought I had was that the world was a lesser place without him,...
Even after reading the story, I smiled when I saw him in character. This guy was an amazing educator and entertainer.
First thing that crossed my mind was "With all what's going on, this world needs more Steve Irwin's, not less".
R.I.P. Croc' Hunter
Re:With all due respect to the man ... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is true. Americans, even from our own media, are labelled obese, violent, culturally insensitive lackwits. We're identified with a jingoist leader that 50% of us opposed. Even those of us who challenge the stereotypes and work to change things (though I am a fatass, so I guess one strike) get to deal with the constant barrage of negative images.
Of course, living in the wealthiest center of power in the western world certainly has advantages, so I can't complain, but I've never really found it possible to take pride in my country the same way others do. I wouldn't be upset at all if we were identified with a loveably corny and passionate conservationist and educator. I know Steve Irwin represented a stereotype, but I've never thought of it as a particularly negative one.
Dealing with risks. (Score:3, Insightful)
But still.... If at one point in time you decide to do something dangerous that has a 1/1000 chance of getting you killed, there is a better than 99% chance (99.9% in fact) that you'll survive. If this happens a couple of times during your lifetime. Fine. If 1000 people live similarly dangerously as you, some get killed. Fact of life.
Because Steve did this kind of dangerous stuff on a dayly basis, his chances of survival drop significantly. Statistics.
In practise it's worse than what theoretical statistics predict: after surviving 99 dangerous (say 1/1000) situations humans think they have things under control, and will start to engage in even more dangerous behaviour (say 1/100). Pushing the limits.
Freak accident? No. Statistics caught up with him.
Re:Respect (Score:4, Insightful)
Exactly. And it's important not to feel like shit, because if you feel like shit, then other people aren't going to be able to criticize you for not feeling like shit and pat themselves on the back for being superior. So, for their sakes, laugh.
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you know this person? Do you know what they have achieved, their abilities and their future? Grow a sense of humour! Steve was a carricature of the Aussie larakin. He'd be making jokes like this now if he could.
When I heard about this on the news flash which interupted Blue Heelers, I thought, "I can just imagine the scene. Steve is molesting some poor stingray. He got belted in the chest with its tail and then he's gone up to the camera and said, 'CRIKEY! Look at that! This fella has got me right in the chest!'", while he bleeds for the camera.
I always figured that an animal would ultimately kill him. I always thought it would be a croc. I find it pretty amazing that a stingray got him. My grandfather used to catch them on a hand line from his dingy. He always warned me about their sting and I knew they'd killed people, but one of them against Steve? He'd probably be disappointed. I rekon he'd rather have "Eaten by a crocodile" on his tombstone.
Re:oblig (Score:2, Insightful)
I think the only righteous person here is you mister AC. Shut the fuck up.
(I just added that very last bit coz everyones doing it today).
Re:oblig (Score:1, Insightful)
Give me a fucking break. Unless you actually had friends/family DIE in that - you aren't dealing with pain, you're feeling a loss of national pride and perhaps suddenly feeling a bit more vulnerable. But yucking it up and making yourself self-important with that BS - "Oh, all the pain I have to deal with!" - is not respectful to the families.
People should STFU right after something like this happens just for a week or two out of respect for the family if nothing else. To do otherwise is to hear yourself talk.
Re:oblig (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:With all due respect to the man ... (Score:1, Insightful)
Wasn't it more like 30% approved, 30% opposed, 39% couldn't be bothered voting, 1% were denied the right to vote?
Re:oblig (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
He died doing what he does best, and what he loves. If only we were so lucky.
Rest in Peace my friend, I hope you can help heaven out with the croc problems
Re:oblig (Score:3, Insightful)
Nobody is laughing at him except in the eyes of a few people. Many of us are choosing to remember him by what he did.
That said, I agree with your Jackass comment, which is a blatent failure of humour.
Re:Honestly, this was a long time coming (Score:2, Insightful)
Now, the fact is I've made as much fun of him as most folks, and I thought the 'crikey' quote was a good epitaph, but it is sad nonetheless.
I'll hoist a beer to him at the bar tomorrow, that I know.
I'd suspect he'd make a joke as well.
jaz
Re:Thanks Steve (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:He played the game (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, that's the theory, but in reality it seems to be the less intelligent people who are having all the kids while smarter professional couples have less or no children...
Re:oblig (Score:4, Insightful)
He's much less likely to get killed by the animal he's the most familiar with, and which he learnt about from his father.
Freak accident or asking for it? (Score:2, Insightful)
While details are still muddled of his death it would not surprise me if he tried to touch one from above and accidentally triggered the stingray's automatic defence to flick the barb straight into his chest. You can't jump back, or dodge, or do anything in water if an animals reacts. As such you'd think the rules of engagement (even for Steve) in the water would be far stricter than on land.
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
This will not keep the media from screaming "We told you so" of course. But some of us who think beyond the tips of our noses can at least say that he always knew what he was doing. He always knew the risk he was taking. This time he took a really small risk with little chance of actually happening and bang it got him. That can happen to anyone.
It isn't heroic how he died. But at least he didn't earn himself an entry to the Darwin Awards. At least in my world he will be missed. And while I don't see the need to get on your people's nerves about the jokes, I myself do not feel like joking at all... perhaps tomorrow.
Have you quite finished? (Score:2, Insightful)
Black humour is natural, even healthy. Once you've finished your holier-than-thou anti-religion bullshit, go and smack yourself over the head with a reality stick. Hard. Please. For the good of humanity.
All your rant has done is show that you're a sanctimonious prick with nothing better to do than preach to the rest of us. Get back to your hole and get some experience in dealing with death, then return and tell us how horribly insenstive you are. Better still, go hang out with some fire fighters for a few shifts. Reckon you've got the testicular fortitude to tell them off for "crispy critter" jokes after a fatal fire? No, didn't think so.
He made reptiles respectable (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree about Sir David Attenborough greatness, but the difference is how thay handled reptiles. After watching Sir David Attenborough, if I found a snake in the back yard I would still chop off its head with a hoe. After watching Steve Irwin, I would think twice and maybe call someone to take it away. Steve changed the image of reptiles from nasty creatures that you kill on sight to animals that should be respected the same as the furry cute ones.
Re:Honestly, this was a long time coming (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:With all due respect to the man ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Argh. Look, can we please keep the politics out of non-political topics? You don't like Bush, fine. You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. If this was an article about the Patriot Act or somesuch, that opinion would be relevant, and I might even agree with you. But why does it have to pop up in a discussion about the death of an Australian naturalist/celebrity?
I know I'm ranting out of proportion to your specific post, and I apologize. It's just that this seems to be happening all the freaking time lately, no matter how tenous the connection to the topic is, and it's driving me batty. It's like playing one of those word assocation games at a party, but somehow it always steers itself to "Bush." I'm waiting for it to happen in "LDAP Authentication in Linux" or "Rethinking the Thinkpad" or maybe the "Favorite Sweetener" poll.
Re:Honestly, this was a long time coming (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Mod points are not supposed to give you the power to emphasise your own opinions. They are supposed to help you weed out the bad quality posts from the good quality posts. Notice how I'm using the word quality here. The quality of a post is not determined by how well you agree with the poster. Quality is about how well-written this persons opinions are, how much real information is passed, and how little of that is bullshit.
When I get mod points, I only mod up posts which are against my own opinion but are written in a manner which makes me respect that opinion. And everyone should do that.
This is why people use the Post Anonymously button. So they dont get a permanent censor on their opinions by people who just cant handle the fact that not everybody agrees with their world view and morality.
Steve Irwin is dead, so what? We all have to die at some point, and the fact that he died doing what he liked is just pure awesome! His family will probably experience a brief period of justified sadness. However, the rest of you people who only "knew" this dude from his documentaries and whichever press he might have accumulated, I just want to say - get a fucking grip!
Re:oblig (Score:2, Insightful)
Freak accident??? (Score:3, Insightful)
If he had been walking down the street and gotten stabed in the chest by a sting-ray's stinger, THAT would've been a freak accident.
Anyway, RIP Steve, and my condolences to his family
Re:Quick! Think of something funny! (Score:1, Insightful)
To actually think we don't realize death is real? and death is painful, not only to us, but to others?
Just leave
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
Being Australian and having known quite a few that are as "ocker" as Steve Irwin was, I don't think he'd be offended by the "Crikey! Did you see that little bugger? He got me right in the chest!" joke. I think he would expect it, and would probably get a laugh out of it.
Re:He was an arse (Score:1, Insightful)
My son ... (Score:3, Insightful)
... will be completely crushed. Steve Irwin was to our kids as Wild Kindom was for people my age. I can't imagine how many young minds were directed to the natural sciences by Irwin's work.
Which seems a pretty good legacy, when you think about it. But our thoughts turn to his wife and young family.
It's true that Irwin died doing what hew loved. It would have been better if he were 80, though. What a sad thing.
Re:oblig (Score:5, Insightful)
This is Slashdot, right? (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh well, maybe when Web 3.0 comes along they'll leave then.
Why this is unfortunate (Score:3, Insightful)
It's unfortunate that a good person had to DIE to help make the self-evident and well-known points you mention.
Re:The real deal (Score:3, Insightful)
Steve always put animals first and common sense second, whether it was his own personal safety or his conservation recommendations. Still, nobody ever wished his fate upon him and it's sad to see him go - he was a "spanner in the works" that kept people on their toes. He ultimately did a lot of good things for crocs, and for that I respected him.
Re:glad that's over (Score:2, Insightful)
The man was an idiot, from agiating animals to acting backwards and "bogan" for cash, he's exploited Australian stereotypes, generally made the whole country a laughing stock and well done just plain dumb shit.
of COURSE one of these days poking these poor bloody things they will jab you, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
I am sorry for his wife and kids but I really won't miss this idiot.
Mod me down all you like, this is my opinion.
For reference, not a single person at work didn't have a laugh about this, seriously - the man was a laughing stock here.
oMG ROFL SKATES!! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure I'll be instantly reprimanded, reminded of the place of black humour, and told how much of a wuss I am being. In fact I'm sure there are armies of nerds just waiting to pounce on anyone who is silly enough to object to the clammering for "funny" mod points before the story gets old. Black humour does have it's place, and I did expect there to be a lot here, but when the entire top half of this page is filled with these comments modded "+5 funny", something about it is just a bit disheartening, quite frankly.
So anyway, I'm not sure who won this round of the perpetual
He could be annoying, embarassing, he courted danger (and eventually paid the price)... but he was so exuberant and positive, and niave in a way. No one can accuse him of being fake or caring about himself more than the environment so many of us neglect as matter of mere convenience. Something about his positive outlook and naive manner in contrast with his early death just seems sad to me. Poor bloke
Re:oblig (Score:2, Insightful)
As for Steve Irwin, he seemed to be a great guy and I hope that everyone who knew him finds their way to deal with his death.
Re:oMG ROFL SKATES!! (Score:4, Insightful)
I believe they/we do this because it's so much easier to come up with a joke than a serious comment, even for such a great guy as he apparently was (just read it off wikipedia). Furthermore, I think it's healthy to have a good laugh, even in sad occasions such as this.
Re:oblig (Score:3, Insightful)
People react differently to tragedies, some people might have a death in family and live their life like nothing happened, somebody else might witness a tragedy and even if they don't have anybody close involved they might suffer from that event for a long time. People are different.
Not totally surprising, but very sad. (Score:5, Insightful)
Having said that, I can't say I'm totally surprised. I know something about snakes, including venomous species, having been fascinated by them from a very early age on. That's why I was so astonished when I saw Steve's program for the first time and how he handled snakes. The crocodiles are one thing; reptile wranglers and herpetologists since Ross Allen have employed much the same methods -- there's really no other good way to do it. But, the snakes! When I first saw how he went about "tailing" Australia's highly dangerous elapids, I thought he was nuts! I still think he was nuts for doing that -- in literature, such methods are never recommended. It simply involves risks that are better -- and easy -- to avoid. How can I say it: people in the same business just tend to live longer when they don't take such risks.
However, we got used to seeing him do those kind of things. It was obvious that Steve had a gift. Only someone who has been around reptiles all of his life and knows instinctively how they behave and react could have done those things and make it look so easy. Indeed, get away with it for so long! It was great for TV, that's for sure! But, I guess that same risk-taking mentality finally got the better of him when he strayed too far from his usual environment. I don't know, but he just seemed a little out of his own element whenever he strapped on a scuba tank over his normal work clothes. Unfortunately, he took that same risk-taking mentality into the water with him and ended up getting stabbed to death by a stingray. How unfortunate. A freak accident? Perhaps, but he was obviously too close and probably doing something most experts would not recommend. But then again, he was Steve Irwin, so what could we expect?
Was he crazy to do what he did? Maybe, maybe not. But, what he did do was use his talent to show the world that the creatures that he loved, the ones that give so many people nightmares, are actually fascinating. That they're not intrinsicly evil, but animals like any others, with important roles to play in the world's ecosystems. Except that they deserve a little more respect. On the whole, from an educational point of view, I think that what Steve did was good. Yes, he often took risks and seemed overly dramatic, but that also got a lot of people to watch his shows and learn things they otherwise would not have. That can only have been a good thing.
He will be sorely missed.
Re:oMG ROFL SKATES!! (Score:2, Insightful)
I then read about it here on Slashdot...
There's possibly something wrong when bad-taste photoshops are first with the news...
Re:oblig (Score:1, Insightful)
America kills willingly and deliberately. Panama, Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic, Chile etc etc and that's only Latin America. Once you're finished down there ask yourself what exactly you were fighting for in Vietnam. And then ask yourself what you're really fighting about in Afghanistan and Iraq. Freedom? Safety? Anti-terrorism? Right, freedom from Saddam's rule? He wasn't stopping you from buying widgets from Wal-Mart. Safety from the Taleban? They had trouble finding a car that could travel from town to town, forget having the logistical capability to mount an attack outside their own borders. Anti-terrorism? You mean like Waco, Ruby Ridge and the LA Police [guzer.com]? The purpetrators of 9/11 aren't [informatio...house.info] even [surfingtheapocalypse.net] certain [apfn.net].
Questions of culpability aside, 9/11 is a pretext. Its repeated coverage is despicable, relegating the families of the dead to poster children for the "War on Terror" and destriction of civil rights.
Oh yea, and "these Islamic death cultists" really don't give two shits about Americans in America. Its the Americans outside America raping foreign coutries for oil, copper and manufactured goods. Try reading something that isn't state run propaganda before commenting on politics. If you think you have freedom of the press, you're fooling yourself. If you think that there really are "Islamic Crazy Cultists" out there who are sitting in a dark corner plotting to take away your freedoms, then you're missing the fact that your freedoms are actually being taken away by your own government. Wake up. For your own sake, I beg you to wake up.
Re:oblig (Score:4, Insightful)
9/11 gets a lot of coverage in the states because it was the first attack on American soil in 60 years. Yes, it is a more 'sexy' topic, so it gets more coverage. It's very much like how AIDS gets a lot of coverage in America but it's not in the top 10 'causes of death' lists. It kills in a horrific way, and spreads in a horrific way, so the media covers it.
The sad part is, I think most slashdotters are bright enough to realize that, and most of the "9/11 gets too much coverage" comments are anti-Americanism dressed up as pseudo-intellectual thought.
Re:Why do Australians hate the US so? (Score:3, Insightful)
While I believe American foreign policy is at the root of many of the world's social ills, and is long overdue for a hard, honest review, I don't hate Americans. I find them to be loud at times, but generally friendly people who are easy to get along with, if one is willing to put up some eccentricies.
Re:oblig (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:3, Insightful)
Well (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:oblig (Score:3, Insightful)
As for Steve: May he always be remembered for his work in wildlife conservation and for bringing such causes to our attention via his unorthodox and entertaining antics.