PS3 Performance Downgraded Again 217
Heartless Gamer writes "The PS3's performance has been downgraded again, according to the Inquirer." From the article: "We can't tell you why the GPU lost nearly 10% of it's clock, it could be an NVidia screwup, or it could be Sony/Cell. Either way, it just became much less of an overwhelming value, but you get a DRM infected drive for 'free' either way." Interesting, but keep in mind this is The Inquirer. 9 out of 10 doctors recommend salt with their articles. Relatedly, the choice comments from Penny Arcade this past weekend about Sony's console are wandering around the internets today. From that article: "We've already talked about it, there's no chance we're buying a PS3 at launch."
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You should complain to Sony. They seem to be leaking bad news at an alarming rate.
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No, it's not possible. Because even if a day passed when nothing bad occured to Sony, The Inquirer and/or Zonk would just make some bad news up and publish that.
Sony dropping clockrates on their product at the last minute would hardly be surprising or out of character-- witness the PSP, whose 333 MHz CPU was quietly underclocked to max out at 222 MHz before release (apparently they just couldn't keep that battery life up?). But do yo
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-Eric
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Hardware http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS
Software http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=XB
XBox 360 vs PS2
Hardware http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS
Software http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X3
XBox vs XBox 360
Hardware http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X3
Software http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=X3
I know you're just the AC Sony Fanboy Troll, but in North America the XBox 360 is performing in the same sales range (Hardware wise) as both the PS2 and XBox were at the same point in their life; software wise the XBox 360 is selling far more software then either the PS2 or XBox did after 9 months. I have no love for the XBox (or XBox 360) but only a fool would not see that it will be the platform to beat in North America; with Microsoft's lock on good simulation soccer games it could take a big chunk of the european market as well. Sony is going to lose a large chunk of their market share this generation, the only real question is how much they are going to lose?
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I don't trust Microsoft, but I don't trust Konami either. All we have so far is "he said, we said, they said" and we will probably never know who lied.
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While I'm sure Sony will not disappear, it is far too large for that, unless it returns to it's prior days of creativity, quality, and innvoation, they will certainly go the way of Panasonic. That being stagnation and mediocrity in the marketplace.
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I'm sure people said the same thing about the Titanic and Enron.
(Here's hoping...)
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Oh, and the playstation division is much larger than most any other division of that company, they have invested heavily in hopes of a big pay off...
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Battery sales (Score:5, Funny)
Re:again? or will Sony survive as a stock? (Score:2, Interesting)
To which NineNine said: You go ahead and do that. I'll be buying.
To which myself, a different person who has many investments and who has been investing for 30 years say:
I wouldn't recommend it. I've owned Sony. I've made money off of owning Sony stock. I sold my Sony stock and bought Nintendo a few months back, and quite frankly, I have seen absolutely no reason to change my basic decision. Sony just plain isn't getting it - but Nintend
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Alt 3.5 - 260hp
Z has the most - 365hp
The 2.5 liter is enough to take on V6s with its high torque.
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260 isn't bad, it's only 16 less than the 276 HP of the 3.5 liter with VVT on intake only, the 298 HP 3.5 liter has continuously variable intake and I think staged variable exhaust valve timing. The 350Z, the top-end Skyline V35, and the G35 Coupe all have the same engine with the same maximum output: 298 HP. Interestingly they dropped the V8 from the skyline ... and now the top end model with the "8" in the name has the same V6, but now it has an 8-speed CVT. How that works I'm not sure, if it's a CVT, it
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Oh, don't worry -- the GT-R is coming to the US. It's just not here quite yet because Nissan has to finish making it butt-ugly first.
In other words, you're right: Nissan does hate us!
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They damn well should be as they're not in terribly good shape. Have you read the Wired.com article [wired.com]? Unfortunately they didn't include the charts from the print article, but there are still some choice quotations:
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Given the crap the Inquirer has already talked about PS3, I'd take their article here with a pinch of salt roughly the size of Jupiter.
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Jim
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Regardless of what I might think about Sony and the PS3, I certainly am not going to believe something just because it comes from those jokers.
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Yes, we all know the
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Wah wah wah, I'm so much smarter than these "journalists" but I use 'there' instead of 'their'.
Unless its something major like a headline mistake or a complete flub by their reporter, most media companies don't give a flying fuck about minor mistakes. They deal with enough deadlines, quotas and last minute reports to be written and sent the press.
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Dude! Look out for that Giant Crab! Quick, flip it over on its back and hits its weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE! Auugggh! You need to use Real Time Weapon Change to switch to the sword! Quick!
Whew. That was a close one! I thought you were crab-meat for a minute there.
I'm sorry, what were you saying? I was distracted by all the laughter^H^H^H^H^H^
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As both a Sony employee and an individual, what do you think about all the negative publicity for PS3 so far? It's even reaching back to mainstream, non-gaming press. The PlayStation brand loyalty will only stretch so far. Nintendo learned that between the SNES and the N64.
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Hi-diddly-ho, neighbor-ino, are they still looking for translators/beta testers in Sony?
I was going to apply for that job (as Spanish is my native tongue), unfortunately I am in the middle of my PhD. I hope there is still job available from sony in one year... of course, because I am not from anywhere insdie the EU mi emplyoer would need to get the work permit (something I doubt they would do). Of course I believe I can work for one year after finishing so I may very well be there.
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People often forget that High end PCs can
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They deserve a good thrashing in the market this time around.
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Uh, yeah, they're a corporation. That's what corporations do. They try to charge the most while providing as little as they can get away with, regardless of how young or old their target market is. What are you suggesting, that corporations have hearts? All they care about is making as much money as possible. If Sony had no competition in the console market they would be charging $1200 for the PS3 and it would alre
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Your comment makes no sense. This is precisely what Sony is doing, and it does not involve any insight, but a severe lack t
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It just.. never ends. (Score:4, Funny)
The P3 might become a flop of E.T proportions.
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IIRC some marketing idiot thought every Atari 2600 user would buy two copies of ET. One for home, and the other for their "ski resort". Thus more copies of ET were made than sold 2600 consoles. I don't think Sony's going to be able to handle making an excess amount of consoles, so many they are dumping them in the desert.
Besides, if they did that nowadays, they would get hit with a lawsuit for environmental damage.
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What, "P.S.3. phone home?"
We all know about the published foibles, but now we have to worry about spyware pre-installed on the damn thing?
Well, at any rate, I'll be looking forward to the Reese's Pieces shipped with the console.
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Performance isn't everything... (Score:3, Insightful)
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not good publicity (Score:5, Insightful)
"We've already talked about it, there's no chance we're buying a PS3 at launch."
Ouch. That's not good for Sony. You may or may not know who Gabe and Tycho are, but if you do know them, you know they also run PAX. Which is a very large user-centric games show. (Unlike E3).
These guys are hardcore gamers, that's not the kind of comment you want from guys that have this much clout.
I repeat. Ouch.
Re:not good publicity (Score:5, Informative)
Sony's response to PA's shit in donuts remark [penny-arcade.com] (way at the bottom of the page)
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Omelette du Fromage (Score:2)
There's decent articles on Slashdot, don't get me wrong, but there's also a billion stories along the lines of "friend-of-a-friend-of-a-pundit thinks X," where X is some arbitrary opinion or rumor. These
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FTFA:
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That said, I think it's a potential indicator of a bad thing for the PS3. The PA crew are exactly the people a Sony exec should expect to have in the bag for launch: They're "hardcore" gamers, avid PS2 players, have bought multiple consoles at launch, have HDTV and, presumably, have the disposable income
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Bingo. Reading comprehension FTW.
If someone meets all the above criteria and still isn't interested in getting a PS3 this year because of the price, then Sony has reason to be worried.
Not exactly. The Penny Arcade kind of "hardcore" is all about the games and very little about the system. HDTV is pretty
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As much as I love the work PA does... they're not always right. In fact, they've been pretty dead wrong many times in the past. They thought the PS2 was a flop [penny-arcade.com], but were hyped about the Dreamcast [penny-arcade.com]. They think "insult to a once-proud franchise" [penny-arcade.com] after playing the demo, yet it's one of only a few games that has gotten a perfect score from Famitsu, and every actual report is highly positive. There are many other instances; just go back and read through the archives. They get it wrong a lot. But what's grea
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Of course, having read PA for some time, I seem to pretty clearly remember them strongly endorsing the Sega Dreamcast over the Sony PS2, and later strongly endorsing the Sony PSP over the Nintendo DS.
It doesn't seem to have helped in either of those cases.
Gabe and Tycho are an extremely good barometer of what the "average gamer" thinks-- they speak their mind, they aren't afraid to point out
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And you're buying a PS3?
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Sony need to clue in to this pretty fucking quickly.
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These guys are hardcore gamers, meaning that they have little to no clout amidst the general public. Hardcore gamers are just a tiny fraction of people who buy consoles.
Isn't Nintendo the one going after "the general public"? I think Sony already priced themselves out of the "general public" market. I can't imagine a non-gamer plunking down $600 for a gaming system with zero games and 1 controller.
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But I'm more interrested in seeing what'll be happening 3 years from now. For now, I just know that I'll take a black Wii, it'll look mighty fine next to my black DS Lite.
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It didn't take them to help m
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Okay, I know there's already a zillion comments here that are all defensive over PA's influence, which you are sneering at. I am here to tell you why you're wrong, which I feel every other comment here misses (to a different degree.)
Penny Arcade is not just a webcomic, but the most popular webcomic among gamers, period. PERIOD. END OF
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I don't think you have to qualify it for the PS2 there... Many lower-budget games for anything would look terrible.
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The latter two problems were solved with the slim PS2; the DVD player is WORLDS better, although the new remote is still PURE CRAP (try finding anything in the dark on that fucker) and it doesn't make that same horrible seeking noise, it makes a new, somewhat less horrible seeking noise :)
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I have one Xbox that I bought new and is still working. I've had two PS2s (not PSTwos) and a PSOne (not a PS1) fail on me during the time I've owed the Xbox. I have to admit that my DVD-ROM is on its way out and needs to be replaced (anyone know what drives I can put in that the original tray cover will snap on to?) but I've lost three Sony consoles in the same time period.
PS2 optical drives are so unreliable that Sony softw
FTFA (Score:5, Funny)
You teh sux0r 2 sae teh PS3 is not going to teh r0x0r! Yew lie, yew 360 luvr. U teh sux! U maek thing up, go die!!!1111one!1!!!1 heheheheh
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Part of a secret plan. (Score:5, Funny)
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Rootkit to blame? (Score:5, Funny)
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Swi
I tried to read this article, but ... (Score:3, Insightful)
404 Proof Not Found
In other breaking news, lettuce causes brain cancer, and a wolverine's sneeze travels faster than the speed of sound. A leprechaun told me so.
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Seamus
Will they never learn? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Not necessarily inaccurate... (Score:2)
I guess we'll know soon enough if the report is bunk or not...
Did you read the article? (Score:2)
screw DRM (Score:2, Interesting)
The GPU isn't the problem. The Cell is. (Score:5, Informative)
The problem is that programming games on the Cell is hard. Remember when Sony dropped the Aibo and dropped out of robotics and AI research? That was partially because all the bright people were needed to make the PS3 work. Non-shared memory multiprocessors with modest per-CPU memory are very hard to program. Their history, from the ILLIAC IV to the BBN Butterfly to the Ncube, has not been impressive. Whole new approaches are needed. In time for the game developers to be ready for the Xmas shopping season.
That's the problem. Sony needs a miracle of programming on a very short timetable.
Microsoft, however, does not. The XBox 360 is just a 3-CPU shared memory computer. It's quite conventional.
Progress is being made, but realistically, the games available for the PS3 at launch will probably be doing too much in the main CPU and the Cell processors will be underutilized.
On the hardware front, if Sony is making changes to the hardware spec this late, there's a good chance they will miss the holiday season. It's September already. As of late August, PS3 manufacturing hadn't even started. For the holiday season, merchandise has to be in the stores by November 1. And that's after shipping and warehousing. Realistically, Sony has about six weeks to freeze the product, get manufacturing running, and get product out in volume.
It's probably too late for this year. They might manage a small-volume prelaunch, like Microsoft did last year.
Sony's moneymaker for this holiday season will be the PS2, which, at $129, is going to look very attractive to parents.
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Might Spike PS2 Sales (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Oh, Zonk (Score:4, Interesting)
If you click the link, you'll see it's not a cartoon but a comment made by one of the peeps at Penny Arcade. So, you're right, Penny Arcade isn't funny when it's not presenting a joke.
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Sentient marshmallow chicks? Or is that some use of peep as a noun that I am not aware of?
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I can see it now:
Luke Peepstalker: You can't be my father, I'm an edible marshmallow chick!
Darth Ducky: Luke, search inside your soft marshmallow heart, you know that I am your father! Plus, see these nifty red devil horns? I'm a Devil Duckie too!
Luke: Noo!
[Darth chops off Luke's yellow marshmallow hand and eats it. Yum!]
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Nothing!
Stu-paaaaaaaad! You're so Stu-paaaaaaaaaad!
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More people should reference "The Vidiot from UHF" more often
thank you
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I dare you.
Launch titles don't count.
The only "good news" Google News found about the PS3 was the already-reported story about running Folding@Home on it. Everything else is negative.
Zonk isn't the one portraying the PS3 in a poor light. Sony's doing that all on their own.
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The CPU is still 333 MHz as a peak without overclocking. It's designed to run at different speeds in order to optimize battery life. Sony's offical SKU allows it to run at 222 MHz, 266MHz, and 333MHz. At the moment, there's nothing really stopping developers from using 33MHz (in fact in all likelyhood there have been games released running at that speed), other then them wanting to conserve battery life. For instance, many homebrew applications either by default run at 333MHz or have an option to do so to increase performance.
You have to remember something here: this is The Inquirer. (No, I'm not confusing this with the British tabloid The National Enquirer.) Basically all this site does is make shit up in order to increase hits to their site. This is just the latest in a string of false information on that site about the PS3, it's Cell processor, and it's RSX graphics chip.
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