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Windows Vista Prices and Release Date Leaked 378

Nieske writes "Prices and the release date for Windows Vista have leaked online. Ed Bott's Microsoft Report has information on pricing, and the release date is currently January 30th, 2007. Are they really going to make the deadline this time?" From the ZDNet article: "In Canada, at least, the rumors of a 'modest' price increase were true, based on this list. Will these same relative prices hold true in the U.S.? Who knows? But if they do, then it's mostly good news for Windows customers. There's no price increase for Home Basic. Home Premium, the Vista version that maps most closely to the OEM-only Windows XP Media Center Edition, will finally be available as a retail product for a slight bump over the Home Basic product, similar to the $39 premium typically charged by large OEMs for Media Center upgrades. And Vista Business buyers will get a break with a small discount relative to XP Professional."
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Windows Vista Prices and Release Date Leaked

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  • Unlikely (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:26AM (#15999562)
    Microsoft OSes were always released on Thursdays. January 30th is Tuesday.
  • Market segmentation (Score:5, Interesting)

    by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:32AM (#15999606)
    The windows pricing is a classic example of what marketeers call "market segmentation". When deciding how to price a product, you ask "How much will people pay?", and the answer is different people will pay different prices - some people actually want to pay more for essentially the same product.

    It is an increasingly unpopular pricing method because people resent it. Note, for instance, the rapid growth of budget airlines (in Europe at least) - a lot of their popularity can be put down to the fact the traditional pricing model for flights was highly segmented - customers have come to resent paying different prices for essentially the same thing and so the budget airlines, with their simpler pricing model, have grown in popularity.

    It is interesting that Apple do not do this, they don't even have separate "upgrade" prices. If you want the latest version of their OS or basic software (iWorks or iLife), then you pay one price. As a customer I like that.
  • 29th will be (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jlebrech ( 810586 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:34AM (#15999616) Homepage
    When all the competitors (sun, ibm, mozilla, etc..) join to make a giant Linux advertising campain, on all tv channels.
  • by MindStalker ( 22827 ) <mindstalker AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:39AM (#15999653) Journal
    Well back in the early days of Microsoft one of their driving mandras was to make it so that the hardware was a commodity and that you'd be paying mainly for the software. Looks like they have finally reaches their goal.

    Ok you can all go home now.. Microsoft is closed.
  • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:39AM (#15999655)
    Call me "nobody," then. I refuse to pay for an OS I can't move from one machine to another.
  • by clickclickdrone ( 964164 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:41AM (#15999675)
    They want me to pay $450 for something that will almost certainly force me to upgrade some bits of hardware to give it a chance of running, will potentially fail to run some of my software and in return does what exactly? Look pretty whilst constantly asking me if I'm sure?
    Call me negative but I'm not exactly in hurry to join that particular queue.
  • by wild_quinine ( 998562 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:41AM (#15999679) Homepage
    No, the reason budget airlines have grown in popularity is that they are undercutting ALL of the segmented prices of the major airlines. Trust me, if British Airways had a 'Cargo Class' flight that was cheaper than all the 'budget' airlines, I'd be packing myself into a suitcase and going on a cheap holiday. The reason that Apple don't have seperate upgrade prices, is because their market is loyal enough that they can be meticulously gouged, and will still come back for more. Enjoy your overpriced branding, really knock yourself out - but my money only goes so far.
  • by CaymanIslandCarpedie ( 868408 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:45AM (#15999700) Journal
    Tom, come now. First, the ultimate pricing is $399/$259 (full/upgrade) USD. And can you point to an example where a MS product has been not "fully" working because it is running on a "lower" version? I cannot think of any off the top of my head at least. I have Office professional at work (XP Pro) and at home (XP Home) and I get the exact same functionality. Same with my games, development tools, etc, etc. Now I cannot say for sure there has never been such a case, but as I cannot think of any I'd be very interested to hear any examples.

    There are certainly some applications which require a certain version (Media Center, IIS, etc, etc) but I cannot think of a single example where a MS application supported by both Home and Pro versions have ever had the Home version crippled in some way. I may well be wrong and would be interested to hear examples if I am.
  • by clontzman ( 325677 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:45AM (#15999705) Homepage
    First, you're comparing Canadian Vista prices to US OS X prices. US prices will almost definitely be less (it's lower in TFA).

    Second, how many times will you buy OS X in between releases of Windows? Since XP came out, you've likely bought OS X three times (10.2, 10.3, 10.4) at $129 apiece and soon a fourth. The copy of XP you bought or, more likely, got from an OEM in 2001 is only now getting a pay-for update.

    OS X is more expensive. If you like it more, that's cool, but your argument that it's cheaper doesn't hold up.
  • by betterunixthanunix ( 980855 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:50AM (#15999731)
    How about remote desktop? It deliberately disables the ability to have multiple users connect to anything lower than Windows Server 2K3 (that's right, even with XPPro, you don't get useful things like that).
  • by spyrochaete ( 707033 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @10:57AM (#15999786) Homepage Journal
    I was right about to post about OEM pricing.

    In order to buy a cheaper OEM copy of Windows you need to qualify as an equipment manufacturer. The easiest way to do so is to purchase the prerequisite hardware from a vendor to prove that you are a PC builder. Some vendors require you to purchase as much as a motherboard and CPU, while others simply require a $10 mouse. Check into some such online retailers (sorry I have no examples) to land yourself an OEM copy of Vista.
  • by gumbi west ( 610122 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @11:11AM (#15999903) Journal
    You may recall this slashdot article [slashdot.org] which outlines how all the versions will be crippled relative to ultimate. I also recall that the transparency will only be activated in the higher up versions.

    The biggest deal is that the ability to rip a DVD is only in the home upgraded version, and the ability to use non-M$ networking protocols is only in the pro.

    Starter is a joke and will only run 3 pieces of software at once. This version of Vista is like an "upgrade" back to Windows 3.1.

  • Re:Not Quite (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @11:15AM (#15999945)
    those who got new computers as gifts will need to upgrade their OS.
    They'll probably release it to OEMs earlier although that might still not be enough time for Christmas PC buys. Remember that with the release of 64-bit Windows they gave new PC buyers a free upgrade from the 32-bit OEM to the 64-bit so they might, say, give all OEM buyers in December a free upgrade to Vista too. It's in their interest to drive adoption of Vista in the first few months.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @11:25AM (#16000032)
    You got it backwards. OEM versions can't be moved from one machine to another, but the full retail version of Win2K can.
  • Questions.... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @11:29AM (#16000069)
    1. Will the upgrades work w/the volume licenses that were flagged as pirated?

    2. Why is Vista Ultimated the only one that lists Remote Access as a feature?

    Anyone know?
  • by yeremein ( 678037 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @11:36AM (#16000127)
    "Can't" or "shouldn't"? I bought an OEM copy of XP Pro a couple of years ago, and it installed and runs just fine after a complete upgrade to the machine - the only things that are original are the monitor and the case.

    Me too--after a power surge killed the mobo and hard drive, I built what amounted to a completely new PC. I installed the OEM copy of XP I originally purchased on the new machine and noticed in the EULA that it only applied to the original "computer".

    So I actually e-mailed Microsoft and aksed what constitutes a "computer" according to the OEM license. They wouldn't tell me. Years later, they decided it's the motherboard [bink.nu]--replace the motherboard and your Windows license vanishes in a puff of smoke. Unless the motherboard is replaced due to a "defect". I'm going to assume being bricked by a blown out PSU qualifies as a "defect".

    In any event, WPA and WGA proceeded without incident, so I guess MS agrees.

    Along those lines... suppose the motherboard was rendered "defective" by some other means (whoops, the soldering iron slipped when I was volt-modding it). Now I need to replace the motherboard. But they don't make that model anymore! Shoot! Guess I'll have to get a newer one. But my CPU has an obsolete socket! Darn! Guess I'll have to upgrade. But my memory and video card won't work in the new board. Drat!
  • by mpapet ( 761907 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @11:57AM (#16000296) Homepage
    vista is the first of many to come for sure. Here's a breakdown of the brokenness of each version

    Starter Version: Really REALLY broken (supposedly for developing nations)
    Home Basic: DVD burning is broken, Eye-candy is half broken. Desktop search is broken
    Home Premium: Desktop search still broken. Will it be able to join a domain? I bet it won't. You'll have to pay extra for that. FYI: it appears that if the OEM PC has a DVD burner, you *must* buy home premium so they can protect you from your own entertainment media.
    Ultimate: Media playback is broken. (DRM) Protects you from your own media.

    It is reasonable to assume this is the first step towards even more segmentation.

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=12 [zdnet.com]

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @12:39PM (#16000598)
    Does anybody outside of Microsoft actually care about Vista?

    Vista will become the default consumer OEM install on Day 1 of it's release.

    Mac users upgrade within the Mac family, Windows users within the Windows family. It is rather late in the day to believe in a mass migration from one to the other.

    Linux isn't even in the picture.

    No mainstream OEM support. No significant presence in big box retail. OEM Linux at Walmart.com is dead and buried.

    WinXP does not have perverted-control-freak class DRM embedded into it, like Vista does/will

    Translated, this means Vista will support your next-generation internet radio services and legit rental and sale high-definition commercial videos.

    To the 20% of American households who have already migrated to HDTV, this is generally considered a plus.

  • by dfghjk ( 711126 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @12:55PM (#16000717)
    "It is interesting that Apple do not do this, they don't even have separate "upgrade" prices. If you want the latest version of their OS or basic software (iWorks or iLife), then you pay one price. As a customer I like that."

    Apple does have two versions of OS X and they sell iLife versions seperately as well. Considering their market share, that's probably all they can justify. I see no point in MS having so many versions of Windows but it would be amazingly absurd if Apple did that.

    Since Apple brags about bundling their iLife suite, why isn't it bundled in OS X? Every mac gets one of each, so the only logical explanation is that they want to hit their customers for multiple upgrades. As a customer I don't like that.
  • Re:Not Quite (Score:3, Interesting)

    by frdmfghtr ( 603968 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @01:09PM (#16000823)
    As you said, people who get computers for Christmas will be tempted/forced/suggested to upgrade their OS to the latest one, if not immediately, sooner than if they were sold vista on day one.

    When I got my iBook shortly after the release of OS X Tiger, it came with a free upgrade CD. Now, granted that the order here is different (hardware first, then release the new OS) I wonder if MS would do the same; heavy discount/free upgrade to Vista if you bought yuor PC after such-and-such a date.
  • by Aranel Alasse ( 880862 ) on Tuesday August 29, 2006 @02:57PM (#16001527)
    I recently came across this exact issue. Some capacitors on the mobo leaked (definitely what I'd call a defect!), and I had to replace it. The thing that annoys me is that no one tells you ahead of time that the license for the OS is tied to the mobo, when you have a OEM version of the OS. (Sure, maybe something was said in the original agreement (and I'm the paranoid type who actually reads those things), but did I understand that the OS was tied to the motherboard it at the time? Obviously not. They need to be more explicit about that fact.) Why do they do that, anyways? Does the OEM distributor (HP, in my case) work with MS to give you a discounted price on the OS for these OEM versions in exchange for only being able to use it with that mobo? If so, I'd like to suggest that they let you pay MS the amount that the OEM'ers originally got as a discount in order to "free/release" that copy of the OS from that mobo, instead of having to pay full price for a new one altogether (or having to waste your money and several weeks (time wasn't a luxury for me in this case) on sending the computer in to the OEM people to get the motherboard re-tattooed).

    In the end, after switching out the mobo, windows told me to reactivate. When that didn't work, I wasn't even given an option to talk to a real person. In near desperation, I clicked the "change product key" button (uh, you know, the one that says something like, "ONLY push this button if the MS person on the phone tells you to..."), and saw that the edit box was pre-populated with a key that was different than the product key that was on the side of my box. That was weird... I assume it was because the mobo had changed... Anyways, I just typed in the "real" product key that was on the sticker on the side of the box, and called the MS number again. Again, it didn't work, but this time I actually got to talk to a real person, and they gave me a new installation ID which worked fine.

    What does it all mean? It means that that installed copy of XP is on it's last leg, because the installation CD's from HP don't work since the mobo still isn't "tattooed" (it's not in warranty anymore, so it probably would have costed some outrageous price, plus, I didn't have the luxury of time to do that, as I mentioned above). So the OEM's and MS win after all. I'll either have to buy a new OS sooner or later, or else send the machine in to HP to get the motherboard tattooed. But I still wish there was such a thing as a "release" fee which would untie a copy of the OS from the OEM so that you can install it on whatever machine you like.

    For my next computer, I might have to build it from scratch so that I actually feel like I own all of MY OWN hardware and software, and I'm not chained to an OEM or MS like a slave (I'm not bitter... Really.) (Plus, then I won't have to pay the Microsoft tax if I decide to just put linux on it.)

Think of your family tonight. Try to crawl home after the computer crashes.