9th Annual AUV Competition Results 110
Sean.D.Matthews writes "This weekend the 9th Annual Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV) Competition was held in San Diego. This year, teams were challenged to complete three tasks including finding a docking station, dropping markers in marked bins along a pipeline, and surfacing in a recovery zone marked by an acoustic pinger. Teams from MIT, Cornell, Duke and eighteen others competed for the grand prize. After an intense final round, the University of Florida's Team SubjuGator walked away with the victory for a second year in a row. Interestingly, the UF team ran Windows XP embedded on SubjuGator's on-board computer."
I like to thank god, my family, bill... (Score:3, Funny)
Artistic Faults. (Score:4, Funny)
The BSOD's blend nicely with the water.
Unlike Nintendo's Wii (Score:2)
Contest Report [mywebcache.com], 2006 SubjuGator Team Members [ufl.edu], full fledged Windows XP Professional on a Pentium M [msdn.com].
Uh-oh... (Score:5, Funny)
I have this sinking feeling...
Re:Uh-oh... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Uh-oh... (Score:2)
Re:Uh-oh... (Score:1)
Just ask.
Re:Uh-oh... (Score:2)
Re:Uh-oh... (Score:1)
This system has broken the pirate code
You best let it retry or i'll have ye walkin the plank to Davey Jones' Locker
Yarrrrrr!!!!
Re:Uh-oh... (Score:2)
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=sinking+b
Are you by chance in the german coastguard? (Score:2)
What are you sinking about? [vobbo.com]
Interesting? (Score:5, Insightful)
Could somebody please tell me why this is "interesting"?
I'm kind of surprised that the article summary didn't read, "Interestingly, the UF team assembled the SubjuGator using Phillips head screws."
Re:Interesting? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Interesting? (Score:2)
Re:Interesting? (Score:3, Interesting)
Think more of teaching an ape sign language. Apes aren't good at sign language; Windows XP isn't good at being an embedded operating system.
Doing that is an oddity and a marvel. How can you get something so inept to do that?
I went to an unmanned arial vehicle competition a while back. There were about a dozen teams, and none of them ran any Windows products at all on their devi
Re:Interesting? (Score:1)
One then has to wonder why its the most popular embedded OS by a large margin.
Re:Interesting? (Score:2)
Just because something is the most popular doesn't always make it the best.
I'm not saying that XP Embedded isn't the best (I don't know too much about embedded computing); I am just saying that popularity doesn't imply something being the best.
Re:Interesting? (Score:1)
Re:Interesting? (Score:1)
Meanwhile in typical Slashdot fashion, its mostly negative Microsoft shrilling thus far...
stop whining (Score:2)
The real question is: why did the UFL team bother using Windows XP in the first place? It costs a lot of money, you can't get source code for it, there is much less robotics work being done in it than in Linux, and there are fewer tools for robotics available for it.
So, can you answer the question: why were they using XP, when the obvious choice would have been Linux in this applicati
Re:stop whining (Score:2)
Maybe they were using something like
I haven't looked into embedded devices much, but I've seen some cool stuff that can be done quickly and easily on the new Windows CE Mobile Device Thing Edition 5 or whatever they're calling it these days. It was nothing Earth-shattering, but it was enough to show off the potential
Re:stop whining (Score:2)
"Nice dev environments" used to be a reason, but not anymore.
Re:stop whining (Score:1)
My cube mate here at the office just finished graduate school at UF and was a member of the DARPA Grand Challenge team there for the past two years (they share a building with the AUV team, btw). She says the team had to use Windows because many of the drivers for their various high-tech cameras were only written for Windows. She didn't know if the AUV team had a similar situation,
Re:stop whining (Score:2)
The few times where we thought we needed a Windows-only camera for some special feature it supported have always been disappointments; generally, companies seem to do Windows-only drivers
Re:Interesting? (Score:2)
Because this is Slashdot (Score:1)
Re:Interesting? (Score:1)
I am totally suprised... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I am totally suprised... (Score:1)
My high school's in it (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:My high school's in it (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:My high school's in it (Score:2, Interesting)
(And yes, our software is entirely open source.)
WindowsXP (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:WindowsXP (Score:2, Interesting)
Oh come on now... (Score:2)
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3118/ms1by.jpg [imageshack.us]
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/7789/linuxnylug boothsized0hs.jpg [imageshack.us]
Oh... well, then there is always the Mac people.
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http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6756/img6427 [imageshack.us]
Re:Oh come on now... (Score:1)
Who the FUCK cuts an APPLE into their ARM?
Jesus, i understand kernel panics and BSoD's can be depressing, but i've never had the urge to carve "Oops, Kernel Panic" into my fucking skin.
the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
Purely technologically, you are probably right. In the real world, you are wrong. That has nothing to do with technological differences, it has to do with community, source code, non-disclosure agreements, and tools, and those are quite limited for Windows XP compared to Linux. Using Windows XP to run an autonomous vehicle is quite unusual because a lot of non-technological constraints make it a hard thing to do.
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
You lost me. First, I have no idea why a team needs a "community" to develop an autonomous vehicle. I assume your references to "source code" and "non-disclosure agreements" im
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
People may or may not need to modify the OS themselves. But what they definitely need is an OS that runs on a variety of different embedded devices, chipsets, etc. They also need an OS that there is a large existing bo
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
When you have an autonomous vehicle project to complete, you need an OS that runs on exactly ONE piece of hardware, not a variety. If a particular platform (hardware + OS) suits your requirements, it should obviously be considered.
They also need an OS that there is a large existing body of code for real-time robotics tasks.
How are robotics tasks
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
I think your problem is that you have no concept of how real-time systems and robots are built. Most of them, sooner or later, become collections of dozens of embedded systems, and many of those need to be programmed individually.
How are robotics tasks related to the OS? Got any
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
There is no "sooner or later" in a one-day competition. Like any project, you look at the requirements and then you choose implementation, not the other way around. If you proposed to your team that this vehicle should be built using "dozens of embedded systems", I'd be surprise
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
These competitions aren't "like any other project"; they are milestones in long-running research programs.
I'm familiar with that site. But I didn't find a large body of Linux-only robotics code there. Got a more specific link?
You asked why the OS matters to robotics and this is why: there are hundreds of different kinds of embedded and real-time
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
Re:the OS has a lot to do with it (Score:2)
Re:WindowsXP (Score:1)
Makes a good fit... (Score:3, Funny)
Deep blue screen of death. (Score:5, Funny)
Oh come now (Score:1, Troll)
Is there a troll tag?
Re:Oh come now (Score:1)
Related Links! (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.auvsi.org/competitions/06competitors.c
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060807
http://mywebcache.com/2006/08/07/subjugator-holds
Put your hand in the XP box (Score:1)
Uptime is the project-killer.
Uptime is the blue-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face XP PR.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has rebooted, I will turn on the inner bios to see its path.
Where the XP has crashed there will be nothing.
Only XP will remain.
Subjugator 2006 Team Roster (Score:2, Informative)
Carlo Francis (Captain)
James Greco
Kevin Claycomb
Matthew Koenn
Sean Cohen
Sean Matthews
Michael Gregg
Jacob Collumns
Gene Shokes
Greg Cieslewski
Adam Barnett
Eric M. Schwartz (Advisor)
A. Antonio Arroyo (Advisor)
Biological solutions to mechanical limitations. (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Biological solutions to mechanical limitations. (Score:2, Troll)
The simple fact is that while we use senses in our bodies to do things, the similar versions for robots and autonomous vehicles are crude, expensive, and no-one is quite sure how to make them work the way we think they should. Computer vision is becoming a big thing, and despite the millions of people working with it or on it around the globe, there is still no standard way to immitate what a biological organism does with one eye, let alone two.Then there is that inner-ear thing, and this tells
Re:Biological solutions to mechanical limitations. (Score:1)
The pigeons were trained to peck on an aerial image of say -- a factory in Germany.
The missile has a camera poking out the nose, which shows the pigeon where it's headed.
The pigeon pecks on the screen at the image of the factory.
If it's off center on the screen, the missile detects this and hea
XP vs. /. (Score:5, Insightful)
Intellegent comment (Score:3, Interesting)
What I found interesting was the custom carbon fiber body, MIL-STD underwater wiring and connectors and logos on the side like Lockheed Martin and Microsoft. With sponsors and resources like that I wonder where the challenge is? IMHO there should be two different series - an open series like the existing one and one for software only where all teams would use the same platform. And perhaps there should be some limits set on the open series on resources like you would in a Soapbox Derby [wikipedia.org]. That way kids would
Re:Intellegent comment (Score:2)
Re:Intellegent comment (Score:1, Insightful)
There is plenty of challenge as shown in the many competitions past and this one, as even with big name sponsors backing every team, the c
it's noteworthy because it's unusual (Score:2)
Microsoft has seen the writing on the wall, which is why they are tr
Re:it's noteworthy because it's unusual (Score:1)
wrong question (Score:2)
First of all, it's not just the groups themselves that do the kernel hacking; the fact that it's open source means that vendors not only can modify the kernel for their
Underwater eh... (Score:2)
From the former SPSU captain (10th place) (Score:1, Interesting)
Of course we came in 10th so....
It'l look FAB-u-LouS! (Score:2)
Those fashion-slaves! They wanted to use an opertaing system who's default screen would coordinate with the hues of the test setting!
Duke Sucks (Score:1, Informative)
Re:It'l look FAB-u-LouS! (Score:1)
ETS... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:You're right (Score:1)
By the way, if you need a bit more information on our team and our AUV you can go to sonia.etsmtl.ca
The big majority of teams are using Linux but it is not very important. Some team are not using OS at all, they are running everything on their microcontroler. UF received some development station and a pack of licence from Microsoft freely... so in our case we could have did the same.
It's so true that slashdot is now more for persons who are more interested in troll than in technology...
LaMs
Windows? (Score:3, Funny)
SAUC-E (Score:1)
Updates (Score:1)
--deckert
Realtime Shmealtime (Score:1)
In other words, hard realtime requirements like predictable responstime becomes irrelevant when you have a 2
Re: (Score:2)
Dubious Sponsors (Score:1)
Given the substantial non-military uses of autonomous robotics do we really need the military funding? I for one do not welcome our autonomous-deathsub-controlling overlords. In fact, I hit on this point in a blog [blogspot.com] yesterday.
Re:Dubious Sponsors (Score:1)
That's a noble enough goal, but it's not the end purpose of these companies and agencies. My problem is that I have ethical issues with developing technology who's first production purpose may be to more effecively kill people. It's the old ends justifying the means debate. We throw all our public funding into defense, so we're effectively forced to take defense money to create inventions that are really for the public good. If the
RobotWars (Score:2)
If I were entering my robot in that kind of competition, I'd want to see the entire OS and app, even if I got it from someone else, to strip out extras and close holes. We'll see just how popular Window
Go away (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:GNAA Adopts Trusted Platform Module (Score:1)
I dont get why CmdrTaco doesn't delete this login