Lead PHP Developer Quits

Jasper Bryant-Greene writes "Jani Taskinen, one of the lead developers of the Zend Engine (the engine that powers PHP), as well as a lead developer for the thread safety system and other core components of the PHP project, has quit in a relatively cryptic message to the php-internals mailing list. Jani has been involved with PHP for about 6 years and his loss will undoubtedly be a big blow for the PHP project."

Hmmmmm

[cannonfodda]

That sounds like one seriously unhappy bunny.

Is it just me....or does php-internals sound painful ?

6 years is long enough

[Anonymous Coward]

I never spent 6 years with the same people, job, hobby, women, whatever...

Threads?.. bah!

[Tei]

You only need threadsafe PHP (gettext, gd, etc) if your webpage has more than 1 concurrent user.
Only pages with more than 1 visitor need to ca.. OOPS!

Shock!

[bobintetley]

Oh my god! He used the phrase "could not care less" correctly! Obviously not an American ;-)

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam.

[Anonymous Coward]

No, he's serious. He has caught his boyfriend having a sensual encounter with a girl named Ruby.

What are his reasons?

[slimjim8094]

I agree that there seems to be some "personal conflict". The people who matter...and I could care less...delete my CVS...no use for it anymore...do not reply to this email...

Wow, is PHP really that hard to work on? Is he being threatened at gunpoint?? Seriously, why the sour grapes? Is this a hoax? Was his account hacked?
This is not a funny post. This is trying to be serious. What's going on with this guy? If he's just done and finished working on it, he could quit w/o the bitterness. Was he feeling squashed/trodden upon?
If PHP itself (no other factors) could do this to a guy, how much does it encourage other people to develop it?

Thank you Deanna F'n Troi

[Anonymous Coward]

Now get back in the holodeck and strip.

Re:Message text

[crnbrdeater]

http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/26/ 1357210 [slashdot.org] - Heh

Cryptic?

[Rob T Firefly]

From reading the mirrored post above it just seems terse and upset, but not really cryptic. Cryptic is stuff like "beware of the dwarf" and "under a big 'W.'"

Changing Projects

[tgpo]

He's going to work with Adobe to rework ASP. They feel he can bring a certain *cough* level of new ideas *cough* to the project.

Re:Judging him harshly?

[linvir]

Welcome to the internet. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used as evidence against you in a character assassination on Slashdot.

Re:Shock!

[nogginthenog]

He's finish(ed) :-)

Re:Threads?.. bah!

[cuerty]

What if you are not coding a Website? PHP isn't just for Websites, you can make desktop apps using PHP-GTK or any other programs. I've even had a daemon running in PHP. It's not just matter of Web sites.

z'end for zend ...

[Marbleless]

... well I thought it was funny ;)

Re:Time to clean house

[flipper65]

French is one of several languages that the planet/world could do without. Arabic and Hebrew are other. None of them provides capabilities beyond English, Esperanto, German or Swahili. Don't be tempted to use them. They simply divert effort that would be better applied elsewhere.

Re:Time to clean house

[linvir]

Down with diversity! Down with choice!

GNOME provides no capabilities beyond KDE. BSD provides no capabilities beyond Linux. vi provides no capabilities beyond emacs. Don't be tempted to use them. They simply divert effort that would be better applied elsewhere.

By the way, being wrong provides no capabilities beyond being dead. Don't be tempted to continue living. You simply divert effort that would be better applied elsewhere.

Re:Time to clean house

[bateleur]

Wait a sec - did I miss a memo somewhere ? Last time I checked, options were good.

And have you ever tried telling a Python programmer they could use PERL? I'd happily have ten copies of Python on my server just to avoid having that debate once.

Re:Looks like...

[Anonymous Coward]

No no, that is not possible. He is a PHP developer, he can't possibly be lacking in security awareness!

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam.

[Anonymous Coward]

No, the friend hooked up with Ruby on a long cozy train ride. Rail transit can lead to interesting situations.

Re:Hmmmmm

[Anonymous Coward]

Its just constant nagging for new features or bug fixes
...
Personally I'd like to see thread safe php so I could play with some of the apache mpms

Re:Cryptic?

[slide-rule]

Cryptic is stuff like "beware of the dwarf" and "under a big 'W.'"

That isn't cryptic either... and stop calling Dubya a dwarf! ;-)

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam.

[Anonymous Coward]

Unless you're some kind of Zen master you're going to run into this sooner or later.

Well, he is apparently a Zend master!!

Screw You Guys, I'm Going Home!

[rewter]

Screw You Guys, I'm Going Home!

Re:Shock!

[elrous0]

Sorry, but until we solve the "armor" vs. "armour" conflict, I'm not listening to ANYONE here.

-Eric

Re:The good ship RMS Code.

[Kent Recal]

Undoubtedly be a big blow-job for the PHP project members

Then why would they complain?

Re:From IRC, the reason:

[GalacticCmdr]

what benefits an israeli company benefits israeli economy, which benefits israel's terrorist regime. Jani is completely right to boycott a terrorist regime. it's a very rational decision when no government seems to care about israeli terrorism.

Okay.....and I suppose you believe the internets is a series of tubes.

Re:Jani Taskinen who?

[kawika]

Wow, quite a resume there. He will be difficult to replace. For that matter, he will be difficult to ereg_replace, eregi_replace, mb_ereg_replace, mb_eregi_replace, preg_replace, str_replace, or str_ireplace.

Re:Shock!

[Eunuchswear]

In Armor vs Armour it depends who gets to shoot first.

At shorter ranges the M1A1's APFSDS zips right through the Challenger II, but the Challenger II can hit the Abrahams at longer ranges with its HESH, probably not killing the crew, but a mobility kill is good enough.

Ok?

Re:Hmmmmm

[awol]

He's Finnish, they look like that all the time :-) He may actually be ecstatic, you just can't tell with the Fins, quite inscruitable!!

Re:From IRC, the reason:

[Anonymous Coward]

Man, we need an updated Godwin's Law for this. Cuz it certainly slaughtered the discussion...

Re:Shock!

[jez9999]

I have never seen the intelligent response you gave, but instead "I don't care. You know what meant"

At this point, thrust your groin toward them vigourously several times, wave your hands about like a snake and make a donkey sound. Then say, "And you know full well what THAT meant."

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Re:Shock!

[Mr. Underbridge]

It's nice of you to assume that the people saying "could care less" are trying to be sarcastic, but the overwhelming evidence is that they are simply stupid and ignorant.

I love the smell of blanket statements in the morning. Smells like....ignorance.

Re:Don't press send!

[robertjw]

Yeah, it does sound like a answering machine breakup message made after a few drinks.

Email should require a breathalyzer.

Re:The good ship RMS Code.

[NekoXP]

I don't see them complaining.

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam.

[orasio]

He kind of lost his concentration.
I guess it's back to level 1 zenity.

Thanks for that exit tirade

[KIFulgore]

I just could not care less. [ytmnd.com]

Re:Shock!

[Hoi Polloi]

This is sarcasm:

"His theory about how 'I could care less' is meant to be a play on 'I could not care less' is very insightful and likely correct"

Re:Hmmmmm

[hemanman]

He was last seen running out the door screaming: "Fork you"!

-H

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam.

[mrogers]

I used to know the secret of Zen, but then I remembered it.

Re:Looks like...

[pete6677]

Oh my god, somebody just made a joke about PHP, the most sacred programming language since Perl! Mod it down immediately, the poor PHP developers might see this and start crying!!!

Re:Shock!

[schon]

Sarchasm: This weather is far worse than Hurrican Katrina

Actually, sarchasm is the gulf in understanding between someone who makes a sarcastic statement, and someone who doesn't get sarcasm.

Sarcasm: "This weather is worse than Hurricane Katrina!"
Sarchasm: "What are you talking about? Hurricane Katrina was a major disaster, this is only a heavy rainstorm."

Re:Shock!

[mrogers]

Both your examples demonstrate sarcasm, not irony. Irony is when the person responsible for the threading engine of a server-side scripting language resigns, and nobody can read his resignation letter because the server is overloaded.

He's a Finn!!! For f...s sake.

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude. That's a Finnish male on totally euphoric batch of Prozac, unable to contain his laughter. He's happy as a clam. You should see him when he's unhappy.

Re:Shock!

[ultranova]

Usually the people who I see say "I could care less" seem to have an understanding of the english language no better than an elemtary schooler. When called out for using it, I have never seen the intelligent response you gave, but instead "I don't care. You know what meant", which suggests to me that they're just ignorant and not paying attention to the words they use.

There are two major problems with your conclusion. They are:

1. If I explain something to you, and you - instead of answering to whatever I said - start making corrections to my grammar, it suggests to me that you have no good answer to whatever I just said. After all, if you did, then why not say it ? And since you are being pedantic instead of just admitting you don't have an answer further declines my opinion of you.
2. Who are you to claim that a certain usage of words and expressions is correct and another is not ? Who defines what is correct english and by what authority do they define this ? No matter how much it galls certain obsessive-compulsive control freaks, natural language is not computer language and does not need to conform to any specific formula, as long as it is easy to undertand by the target(s) of the communication.

Because of these two problems, your judgement of these people as ignorant is false. You, on the other hand, are likely to come across as an arrogant asshole to them. They are showing rather great self-control in replying somewhat politely instead of answering as I would: "Up yours".

Stop trying to make people conform to your or your favorite authority figure of choices definition of "correct" words and instead concentrate on the message the words carry.

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam.

[hey!]

I used to know the secret of Zen, but then I remembered it.

I know exactly what you mean. Recently I've found myself growing disillusioned with nihilism.

I don't know whether to feel abashed or vindicated.