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Lotus Notes For Linux To Be Released By IBM 219

gamigad writes "According to ZDNet, Lotus Notes 7.0.1 will be released for Linux. Availability is expected to be on July 24. It ain't gonna be a free lunch, tho" It's going to be based mainly on the Eclipse framework, and it does appear that you'll be able to swap a Linux version for a Windows or Mac version if you so choose.
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Lotus Notes For Linux To Be Released By IBM

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  • by Neo-Rio-101 ( 700494 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @08:12AM (#15690165)
    One less reason to use Windows for those who need/want Lotus.
  • by Ada95 ( 183169 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @08:19AM (#15690197) Homepage
    I hate Notes. Its my absolute, all time, most hated application (for any OS). It has the most mega-goofy, non-intutive interface and requires gigabytes of RAM just to start itself.

    Run from this, Linux, run very fast and very far or Notes will never let you run again. Aieeeeee!
  • Like Notes (Score:4, Insightful)

    by marcushe ( 895126 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @08:30AM (#15690248)
    I was a Lotus Notes administrator for Duke University - and even though I can see how at first glance the end user and IT admin would hate it - I don't I really like it actually. Great account management and features. It's all proprietary, but I think Notes is a great technology, and now runs on more platforms than Exchange.
  • Great News (Score:2, Insightful)

    by berenixium ( 920883 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @08:41AM (#15690295) Journal
    This is good news. The Microsoft front-line is getting a battering from all sides at the moment, while the Nix parties are getting stronger with more support by the day. And Lotus Notes can only reinforce that position against the Vole.
  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @08:52AM (#15690350)
    It's really a development platform, more akin to MS Access on LSD.

    Both have since been largely superceeded by web based apps.

  • Re:Why bother? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ArsenneLupin ( 766289 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @08:55AM (#15690374)
    Lotus Notes, not Lotus 1-2-3, you dimwit!
  • This is fantastic! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by JohnnyOpcode ( 929170 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @09:16AM (#15690497)
    Say what you will about Notes/Domino, but it is a very powerful platform than most realize. I look forward to the MS-Exchange vs. Notes/Domino wars. Thus Linux (and OS X) become more available platforms in many corporate settings which is good for everyone. And please remember, when you 'dis' Notes/Domino, you 'dis' some highly-intelligent programmers at Lotus/IBM who probably make you look like a script kiddie! I can't wait to see the evolution when Notes/Domino 8.0 arrives on the scene..I think MS is going to feel more heat from the competition.
  • Re:the horror (Score:5, Insightful)

    by oh_my_080980980 ( 773867 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @09:17AM (#15690500)

    Good god man, if you are only using it for email then you are wasting space. Lotus Notes is for COLLABORATION! It allows you to create workflow apps which are truly quite impressive. Something I have not seen done with SharePoint or anything else. The security and encryption features are impressive. I'm not a huge fan of Lotus Notes but I can seen the advantages.

    Bottom line it comes down to what you are trying to do.
  • by GigsVT ( 208848 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @09:31AM (#15690584) Journal
    I went into #java and got yelled at for having this "gcj" installed. They said it was total crap and nothing would work right with it.

    At this point, fuck Java. Sick of dealing with the bullshit.
  • Re:No! Nooo! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Otter ( 3800 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @09:44AM (#15690651) Journal
    Given the spaghetti already under the hood of the Notes client (saving ("detaching") a single attachment and saving multiple attachments seem to go through different APIs, and open dialog boxes in two different toolkits), I wonder whether "based on the Eclipse open-source framework" will be an improvement or just an even worse nightmare.
  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @09:50AM (#15690683) Homepage Journal
    Administrative rights are funky too.

    Well, Notes has for years been a product in need of a first class HCI makeover, but has got instead marketing driving makeovers that make things more confusing than they need to be.

    However, at some point you have to trade off features for simplicity. And a lot of Notes administrative complexity comes from the ability to delegate administration in a secure fashion. You can get any two: simplicity, scalability, security. Notes can be configured to be scalable and secure, but it requires you to attend to certain details.

    We had a recent article here on the FBI's password databases being cracked by a contractor. Systems in which users manage their passwords are intrinsically untrustworthy. The reason we continue to see them is that they are simple. When security and scalability are needed, then it is not longer being simple but simplistic.
  • ..and have been on design review teams and other sorts of preview programs for the "Hannover" release which is the thing that generated the work itself. This isn't Hannover (which is Notes/Domino v8) but it stems from that work.

    What most people don't know is that Notes was always built to be ported. It is MOSTLY portable code. Only the user interface calls themselves -- which have always been kept apart from the rest of the code -- is platform specific. This concept of a "Separation Layer" has been in the server and client since the earliest days of the product back in the early 90's. The UI port to run within the Eclipse framework (which IBM has been a huge part of) was much easier than anyone expected.

    The best news -- for those who run the product anyway -- is that this isn't a "Port" or a "reworking" of the code. This is the same secure, stable, code. It's not just "compatible" its the actual code so there won't be problems of compatibility between versions running on different operating systems. The only potential issue will be that locally stored applications will be case sensitive on Linux but not on other platforms. Sloppy programming practices then will be highlighted if users run local applications that haven't been tested on a case sensitive operating system. This has long been true on the server side.

    You may or may not like the product -- that has no value in this discussion. About 120 million people use it every day, and for those people one major barrier to moving toward a linux workstation has been lifted.

  • Re:the horror (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kpharmer ( 452893 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @10:25AM (#15690951)
    > It allows you to create workflow apps which are truly quite impressive.

    and nightmares in terms of maintenance, scalability and data quality.

    Honestly, every one of these things I run into is a catastrophe. I'm sure that they were better than the manual processes that they usually replace, but I wish that they could have been implemented in php & postgresql/db2/oracle/whatever.

    ah, and did I mention usability? Notes has its own usability patterns - which are different from everything else. The client has millions of configuration parameters - that are distributed in an arbitrary fashion across dozens of overlapping menus.

    Teamrooms? ick, we've been moving that stuff to wikis for years. Yep, even the documents - go into our wiki as attachments, and yes we can lock down the security.

    It's too bad though - if the right people (just a few with a vision and real experience), the right processes (probably 2% of what they're actually buried under), and the right budget had all intersected about 5 years ago this could be a good product today. But now it's just a nightmare.

    And sure, running on linux is good. But accessing my notes from Thunderbird would be *far* better.
  • Is bad thing (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Baloo Ursidae ( 29355 ) <> on Monday July 10, 2006 @12:44PM (#15691979) Journal
    On the other hand, Lotus Notes has a long-standing and well-deserved reputation for being a buggy piece of shit. Does any platform really deserve having Notes inflicted upon it?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 10, 2006 @01:08PM (#15692168)
    just like the current perl, php, python, ruby ... [ every scripting language but java ] will all run older version scripts. only java fails at that.
    Java isn't a scripting language... Furthermore, the idea that Perl, PHP, Python and Ruby can run every script made for an older version is undeniably false and anyone who has used them for anything that's not incredibly trivial knows this. There have been plenty of changes to each of those languages where backwards compatibility has been broken. I'm not a huge fan of Java but backwards compatibility is one of its strong points, especially when compared to the languages you mentioned.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 10, 2006 @01:31PM (#15692311)
    GCJ is not Java and the people in the channel did exactly what they should have. You're trying to run Java applications with something that is not Java... GCJ doesn't even have full 1.4 compliance and Java 6 is about to be released. You can't blame Java simply because you insist on using an open source hack that is incredibly bug ridden and isn't even compliant with the last two (soon to be three) versions of Java. Installing Sun Java is incredibly simple and the only reason some people refuse to do that is because of ideological reasons, not technical ones.

    There's no "bullshit" other than those caused by your own ideologies.
  • by killercoder ( 874746 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @03:26PM (#15693113)
    The notes server isn't bad - its fast, easy to configure and administer and runs on everything (I've even seen it running on mainframes). IBM should license the users at the server (which they do), and provide linux/windows libraries to connect to the server. The Notes Client is obselete by 10 years at least, clunky non-standard graphical interface, slow, heavy resource use, prone to crashes etc.
    Its time for IBM to let Evolution and the other great mail clients out there to talk to Notes - Release the access library as closed source if you must, or open source it, either way let people write there OWN client.

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