Another Sky Press Driving Neo-Patronage 92
avidreader writes "Another Sky Press is making a serious go of the neo-patronage / tip jar model — their tagline is 'Welcome to Another Sky Press. We want people to read our books even if they read them for free — though we'd love it if you bought a copy!' Not only are they putting the entire text of their releases online, but they're selling the dead tree versions at cost plus optional contribution. Their first release is garnering some great reviews - 'Intelligent fiction for the mentally unhinged.' According to their website, there are more projects in the works — everything from a short story anthology to a coloring book by artist Jesse Reno. They've also got interesting essays on why they're doing this and neo-patronage. They're even getting neo-patronage some mainstream attention — the Metro Times calls them '...more punk than the punks at Dischord Records.'"
Meh (Score:2)
MXPX (Score:2)
"MXPX has undergone a punk rock revival, and Panic is the result. They stripped every bit of gimmick and artificial sweetener from their brand of West Coast Punk. I couldn't be happier with their effort, and neither could the thousands of punks who have been looking for a new battle cry to sing as they raise their banner and fists in the air."
-Daniel Brantley
the Chattanoogan.com
Re:MXPX (Score:2, Flamebait)
Speaking of dead (Score:2)
So if BSD is dying and punk is dead...that explains why I like both...they have a lot in common.
technoid_
Re:Speaking of dead (Score:2)
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technoid_
Re:Speaking of dead (Score:1)
That's harsh... The Pistols rule. (Score:1)
Re:MXPX (Score:1)
Re:MXPX (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Meh (Score:2)
Re:Meh (Score:2)
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Re:Distribution.... (Score:2)
Use LyX [lyx.org], let it take care of typesetting (using LaTeX, which in turn uses TeX, pretty much guaranteeing a high-quality end result), and concentrate on just writing. No paperclips, no automatic formatting messing things up, no time wasted on layout. Then export to PDF and send it to be published.
Re:Distribution.... (Score:2)
I don't exactly see where you think the software needs constant handholding though - that's more a case of user error in failing to establish a c
Re:Distribution.... (Score:2, Informative)
I'm guessing you have never used LaTeX or TeX. I haven't used them extensively, but I have done a few simple things in LaTeX - because it wasn't possible to do what I wanted to do in a standard word processor. It is this exact reason why Knuth created TeX in the first place - to cover everything from proper rendering of math formulas to graphics to abstracted definitions for handling every aspect of the document.
One simple example is that LaTeX handles different types of documents differently. When's the
Re:Distribution.... (Score:1)
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For document modes, if you have to switch between two complex modes - say you
Re:Distribution.... (Score:2)
Ultimately, Word doesn't care about what type of document you're working on - that's your job. It provides the toolset (and yes, it's bloated and not always easy to use) and you are the one who has to learn to us
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Images of the text? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Images of the text? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Images of the text? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Images of the text? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Images of the text? (Score:1)
Update the tagline (Score:3, Funny)
This will be as good as shareware. (Score:5, Funny)
It worked for Winzip, among others (Score:2)
Wow! (Score:2)
Wow! That's pretty much what I got on my last employee evaluation, so you know it must be a hell of a book.
Hope it flys (Score:1)
Fiction authors deserve an "Open Source" solution of their own
Re:Hope it flys (Score:1)
Repudiate Copyright (Score:5, Interesting)
We're currently in the process of signing bands, podcasters and other free market pro-freedom content creators to our "movement" which is nothing more than a new way to find ways to profit without using the law. We believe that the law creates cartels and monopoly markets that are nearly impossible to penetrate -- copyright is one of those legal manipulations that only helps the big boys and hurts the little guy.
I have created content for nearly 18 years and have NEVER used copyright to protect my work. I've written songs, books, blogs and newsletters and I openly advocate the copying of them (or what I call "Free Marketing" for me). I even let people drop my name if they wish, but I warn them that if I catch them I'll publicly embarass them for putting their own name on it.
Once you create something that is easily mimiced or duplicated, there is NOTHING you can do to protect yourself. Copyright laws? How will you fight in civil court? With what money? Why even embrace copyright when there are already ways to make money without it. I make money on my sites, on my music that I produce, and on the books (e- and printed) that I've created, and I openly admit that I don't use any protection on the content other than a moral obligation for my reader not to copy it.
I can't enforce the morals of others, other than public embarassment and humiliation. That is the best way to protect your content -- and it also opens up a huge audience of people who don't realize how much copyright frustrates them, once they realize that copyright doesn't protect anyone but the largest content distribution cartels.
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:2, Interesting)
First, copyright lawyers are incredibly expensive. A copyright trial against an "infringer" can take years and tens of thousands of dollars. If you write a song or a book and someone wants to take it, they will. There is nothing stopping them. The law does not protect you at all.
I'm not a hippy, I'm a capitalist businessman. I don't smoke pot, I produce content. In the next 2 months I'll be doling out thousands of dollars to bands and artists to create profit
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:2)
Yes, copyright does protect you.
For example, If you should actually write something good, I could take it and sell it for my personal gain. Giving you nothing.
If I try that today, you could easily get a lawyer, and successfully suing would be trivial.
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:2)
Not me it doesn't.
For example, If you should actually write something good, I could take it and sell it for my personal gain. Giving you nothing.
My last two books (one self published, one not) sold just fine without copyright and netted me 5 figures each. My next two books (one being released any day now and one around Christmas) should do even better -- and I don't copyright them at all. My publisher could theoretically steal my information but why would they?
Did you know
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:2)
Wow, that troll went over like a glass balloon. It's a shame, too, since the Chihuly case really seems like something the Slashdot editors could have milked for at least three or four flame-and-stupidity filled articles.
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:1)
Taken mostly from Thomas Jefferson.
KFG
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:2)
While I would love to agree with dada on this, I am afraid in the long term he will be less profitable than the (c) abusers.
Lets face it, copyright law the way it was brought into this world was a GoodThing(tm) but the way it's been twisted is not.
The bright side of dada's method is that he will likely have less ulcers to spend his profit on fixing
-nB
FWIW any site I've produced for myself has been either CC, copyleft, or GPL Doc licence.
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:1)
Without copyright there is no such thing as copyright abuse.
KFG
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And vice versa.
KFG
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Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:3, Interesting)
Today, a band has absolutely zero chance of making it big, and about a 5% chance of actually making enough money to live on. Why is this? Because of copyright. Currently on
Re:Repudiate Copyright (Score:2)
Well than "those of us" are clearly doing something wrong. If dada is smoking pot and messing with lava lamps, more power to him, he seems to be doing just fine by most standards. You're "put the pipe down" rhetoric is pretty useless aimed at successful happy people.
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Coral Cache (Score:2, Informative)
the book is the thing of value to the reader (Score:2)
Incomprehensible article titles, part XIX (Score:4, Interesting)
I first read it as "[Another Sky] [Press-Driving] [Neo-Patronage]", and wondered what "Press-Driving" meant -- would it be something similar to Astroturfing [wikipedia.org]?
Then I read it again, as "[(yet) Another] [Sky Press] [Driving Neo-Patronage]". A little closer to the true intent, but I wondered what a "Sky Press" is, and how many others are out there if this is just yet another one?
So I read the article -- crazy and dangerous, I know -- and found out that it's "[Another Sky Press] [Driving Neo-Patronage]". Ok, I get it now. Thanks.
Re:Incomprehensible article titles, part XIX (Score:2)
you missed a few M's a D and two C's thus:
Incomprehensible article titles, part MMMDCCXIX
Re:Incomprehensible article titles, part XIX (Score:2)
At the time of this writing, searching Google for the term 'neo-patronage' (and 'neopatronage') returns only a handful of matches
Yet we are assumed to know what it means? Here I'll fix the headline for you guys.....
Publishing Company Offers New model For E-Books
There, now we've eliminated neo-patronage since we don't know what it means. And we've also not mentioned the confusing name of the company we've never heard of. You're welcome.
Re:Incomprehensible article titles, part XIX (Score:1)
Maybe they should charge just a penny more (Score:1)
Chilling. (Score:2)
I believe Miriam-Webster is instructive on this point:
One entry found for patronize.
Main Entry: patronize
Pronunciation: 'pA-tr&-"nIz, 'pa-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -ized; -izing
1 : to act as patron of : provide aid or support for
2 : to adopt an air of condescension toward : treat haughtily or coolly
3 : to be a frequent or regu
Re:Chilling. (Score:2, Informative)
a similar idea, for those who want guaranteed $ (Score:2)
The only way to control the flow of copyrighted information (intrusive law enforcement and DRM notwithstanding) is to not distribute in the first place.
One Book? (Score:2)
hope it works (Score:2)
wow -- good filters, I've got (Score:1)
so the nice big picture on tipjar.com these days really doesn't
symbolize a grand re-opening and powering up the vault server again
but that day will come, hopefully this year.
I look at slashdot every few months and hey presto "Neo-Patronage"
is the new buzzword for what we called "Online Busking" a decade ago.
I look forward to attempting to integrate this publisher into the
tipjar empire. Got to get the empire's tendrils a little farther
than the entrepreneur's own kitchen first.
Thanks for your support.
ANOTHER one? (Score:2)
What happened to the previous Sky Press(es)?
Re:ANOTHER one? (Score:1)
Neo-Patronage - too nice for the real world (Score:2)
I think they have the same problem that the MAFIAA has (love that name for the copyright cartels, which I just recently saw here on
The M
Re:Neo-Patronage - too nice for the real world (Score:1)
Ahhh, human
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In what way isn't this article just an ad? (Score:2)
More 'neo patronage' (Score:1)
http://www.ixenfor.com/ [ixenfor.com]
Axiom - a free, experimental fantasy novel set within a unique Bronze Age world.
PDF and HTML formats available. Low bandwidth site...
Damn, everything reads like spam these days...
Tipping gets reinvented yet again... (Score:1)
it works..
http://tipping.selfpromotion.com/ [selfpromotion.com]
Their twist for dead-tree pricing, cost+the tip, is a nice refinement. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.
Baen Books have a better plan (Score:2)
HTML and a variety of other common document formats, and the right to copy sans only the right to sell your copies. Oh, yes, an addiction warning: great authors and many great stories are provided.
Friendly footnote (Score:2)
Dischord Records [dischord.com] is the label started by Ian MacKaye [wikipedia.org] in Washington DC. Ian MacKaye was/is the central figure in three DC hardcore bands: The Teen Idles [wikipedia.org], Minor Threat [wikipedia.org], and Fugazi [wikipedia.org]. Bad Brains [wikipedia.org] and Minor Threat essentially created the DC hardcore punk scene in the mid-eighties. MacKaye is also the creator of the Straight Edge philosophy [wikipedia.org], which he developed in several Minor Threat songs: "Straight Edge", "Bottled Violence", "In My Eyes", and "Out of Step (with the world)", for example. Dischord Records was
Re:Friendly footnote (Score:2)
Tell me it's not at least a little funny to think of Ian Mac
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