Christian Science Monitor Putting OSS at the Helm 203
Jane Walker writes to tell us that the Christian Science Monitor is becoming quite the proponent of open source. The aggressive nature of OSS was a large part of what drew CIO Curtiss Edge into the fold, it seems. From the article: "But beyond the tangibles like open source code it was the community that made a convert of Edge. Behind all the open code, it was the forums and flexibility that were the driving forces he believes breeds better developers than those that toil away with proprietary code. Open source software makes developers more aggressive and more apt to go out into the communities that exist around the software to find solutions to their problems, Edge said, rather than holding on some proprietary help desk line while tech support looks up the answer."
Praise Jesus! (Score:4, Funny)
Can I get an amen?
Re:Praise Linus! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Praise Jesus! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Praise Jesus! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Praise Jesus! (Score:5, Funny)
Unfortunately, Amen is closed-source proprietary software. However, you can get an OSS alternative: gAmen or kAmen. Careful, though - might start a holy war.
Re:Praise Jesus! (Score:2)
Re:Praise Jesus! (Score:2)
Hey! That gives me an idea! Let's start a religion worshipping Microsoft, and then sue the government to get religious icons (Windows, Office) off of government property!
Meh. Reading it back it's not as funny as I first thought but I'm submitting anyhoo.
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
Definitely, open-source advocates must have splitted personalities.
Duh. My sn is "Zaphod" for Buddha's sake! ;-)
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:5, Interesting)
You forgot to mention the old Homestead practice of community Barn Raisings [wikipedia.org]. -- Probably the nicest pre-computing analogy to Open Source.
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2, Interesting)
I am NOT a communist, but still support OSS.
I'm not such a big Christian either, I mean, I grew up in a catholic family but I'm not a strong believer. Still, I don't like proprietary software.
I'm not leftwing (even though here in Europe right and left are somehow different than in the USA)
All in all, the real point is: what on earth has to do the OSS dispute with political, or worse, relig
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
New here?
Politically, the question is about people's right to control their own property. Completely control. Seeing a human-readable version of the code running on their machines is necessary to assert control over them.
Religiousistically -- or better, morally -- the question is about the definition of property, esp. "intellectual property", and whether it has any moral weight.
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
The original post was obviously intended to be a funny.
Have you been online long? If you have, remember the "unix is god" vs. "no windows is god" vs. "no macintosh is god" flamewars that come up repeatedly here, Usenet, and just about any other tech board? Some people carry the OS to a whole new level, and rather than looking at an operating system as a tool for problem solving, but almost seem
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
The entire US political spectrum is skewed (significantly) to the right. What the US refers to as "left" (ie: the Democrats) most (if not all) of the rest of the developed world refers to as "centre-right". What the US refers to as "right" (ie: the Republicans) most (if not all) of the rest of the developed world refers to as "far-right, gun-crazy relig
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm guessing you're an American?
The ideals behind Communism are brilliant and worthy of striving for: From each according to their ability; for each according to their need.
They're certainly a lot better than the ideals of capitalism: I got mine and screw everyone else.
Ideals of Capitalism (Score:2)
I wrote a JE about this: Free Markets do not require Self-Interest [slashdot.org].
Re:Ideals of Capitalism (Score:3, Insightful)
Not at all (Score:2)
When pursuing my (definition of) good, I need not advance your (definition of) good, although it will frequently be a side-effect, or else the result of trade (I advance your good if you advance mine).
As an example, let's say my good is "The Greatest Freedom o
Re:Not at all (Score:2)
Property is a socially derived concept, requiring social backing in order to enforce. Property removes freedoms from some in order to bestow more freedom on another, but I argue that the freedoms removed a
Faith (Score:2)
We are complex entities, and we have a hand in wireing ourselves; motivation is a harnessable drive, but we have some control over how it drives us. That is: we can structure our motivation. In addition, complexes of ideas have a hold on us, and themselves direct ("subvert") our interests.
What is our self-interest? Our happiness? Our genes
Re:Faith (Score:2)
Perhaps Mark Twain can explain it [telerama.com] better than I.
I am also an Ana
Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Liber (Score:5, Insightful)
Christians are not, in general, a bunch of intolerant anti-intellectuals.
Liberals promote tolerance, not big government and immorality.
The neo-cons smear them both.
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
Consider that monotheists are more likely to go out and try to work out what the rules of the universe are than people who believe in a pantheon of ficle gods that will change the laws of physics every time they want to have sex with a different mortal. We owe a lot of our current level of development to people who followed one God - the hiccups involving hassling intellectuals can usually be put down to politics in the church - espec
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
Yes, those athiests [wonderfula...sofcfl.org], Agnostics , [cafepress.com] or polythiests (romans, greeks, chinese, hindus, early middle east where civilization sprang from) never did much for us.
OTH, the christians have a long history of good research [stormfront.org], teaching and education. [christianitytoday.com]
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
http://www.csmonitor.com/aboutus/about_the_monito
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
Or, in other words...the "Christian Right" is neither.
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's a CSM article on the Schiavo case [csmonitor.com]. Judge for yourself.
Real Christians are typically well read and well thougt out individuals.
GP made no such generalization.
Liberal == Communist
An apt paraphrasal of the neo-con smear to which gp refers.
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:3, Insightful)
"Real Christians" are typically just like everyone else. As a group, they're generally neither better nor worse read than the average.
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:3)
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
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Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
The fringe on the left rubs crystals, ohms their chakras, and sings kumbaya for universal harmony.
The fringe on the right wants gays and atheists stripped of citizenship.
I guess your surrey has an entirely different fringe on its top.
Re:Neo-cons co-opted terms like Christian & Li (Score:2)
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Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
I am an atheist but I can clearly see that there is a wopper of a contradiction in your position: if they were true Christians, they would not posess any property, as the Bible clearly states: "everything was held in common". Therefore no need for the Christian government to
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
Well, not really. Those were disciples, not all Christians. Anyway, I believe that Jesus would smite anyone who tried to get him involved in politics right in the taint.
Re:Splitted Personalities (Score:2)
Ah, I see. Damn those mus-com infiltrators! Or where they agents of Buddha?
Then everybody gets smitten, surely, as religion, philosophy, economics and politics are all inextricably linked together. One cannot have a religious movement which does not impact politics in some major way and vice versa. In fact, most religions place demands on their followers wh
Support frustration (Score:3, Insightful)
To be fair this can happen in open source world as well (well, in the so called "commercial open source world"). But, overall, in general probability of fixing an issue quickly is higher when using open source software.
Re:Support frustration (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, it can happen with any business that doesn't manage their support organization very well.
But, overall, in general probability of fixing an issue quickly is higher when using open source software.
And that is because OSS opens the support market up to competition. Proprietary code can only be (well) supported by someone with proprietary access - making proprietary code a gynormous barrier to entry for the support market. Free software has no such barrier, thus enabling competition so support organizations have to compete directly on the quality of their produce (the support they provide).
Re:Support frustration (Score:2)
Great.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great.... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Great.... (Score:3, Insightful)
This is the problem really. The fact that you'll have the correct answer from IRC before level 1 corporate support has taken your credit card number and given you a log reference is irrellevent. Getting the job done is no longer important.
Re:Great.... (Score:3, Informative)
Definitely the best support channel ever. Beats hanging around on the end of a phone for a semi-literate nitwit to try to find an answer on his screen by a country mile.
Just love this new /. except that the printing in the top lh column is wonky.
Re:Great.... (Score:2)
Re:Great.... (Score:2)
*Groan*
People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:5, Informative)
Just in case you have not had an encounter with the CSM before, it's not some religious orientated 'intelligent theory' spouting mouth piece of the far right. It's one of the most respected newspapers around, has a league of its own reporters rather than relying on wire services like most other papers, has won many awards for fantastic journalism, often reports on cutting edge science that would make the conservative far right weep, and also often reports on stories that the rest of the press skip over for not being sexy enough.
AND, they're low on cash and have been in the red for some time, how about splashing out on a subscription? [csmonitor.com]
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:2)
Like this:
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This makes the word "somewhere" a link leading to example.com/somepage.html.
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I agree, misleading name (Score:2)
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:5, Informative)
The Christian Science Monitor is indeed one of the best newspapers around. They're small (my dad threw away the first few he received because they didn't LOOK like a newspaper), but that's because they don't use the AP wire or Reuters to fill out their newspaper, as the parent noted.
Consistently, the CS Monitor has had definitive articles on subjects. Unfortunately their archive isn't available for free or I'd point to their excellent article on the whole Ten Commandments in the courtroom fiasco in Alabama. While every other newspaper was either talking about the Ten Commandments being removed, playing soundbytes from the judge, or talking about what other reporters were talking about[1], the CS Monitor did their research and printed their story a day later. They talked to the people rallying outside both for and against (and covered the fact that many of these people had zero clue what was going on), covered what the judge was saying and why he was saying it - and when his support for the monument started (here's a hint: election upcoming, he started the whole thing just a few months before).
Their coverage on the last election was the coverage to beat. Managed to avoid the horserace of usual election coverage[2] and talk about the campaign, the people behind the campaign, etc, etc.
In Iraq they were one of the few newspapers not afraid to go outside the green zone and interview real people. Incidentally, for their efforts at finding the truth their reporter was kidnapped and held hostage.
In my opinion the religious convictions of the founder and the church (First Church of Christ, Scientist) that owns the operation (keep in mind that church members do not make up the journalists...they hire those) help keep them well-oriented. For their newspaper "it bleeds, it leads" doesn't happen - they want to discover what is happening in the world and to tell everyone. They believe that the truth is liberating, and they want to find it - whatever it may be. Honestly, they have a lot in common with the Quakers.
The religious article they print is more of a philosophy article, is usually well-written and is treated like the opinion section of another paper. It is there at the request of the founder.
Check out their website at www.csmonitor.com [csmonitor.com], and read a few articles. The major problem with our reporting these days is that the reporters just report events and he-said she-said. The monitor uses reporters with clue who contribute actual analysis.
Cruising quickly, the article on Escalating Violence in the Gaza Strip [csmonitor.com] is a good one, as is today's story of President Bush's Visit to Iraq [csmonitor.com].
People are so used to the bible beaters and the kooks. Religion can be a very powerful force for good. I'm glad to see it happen once in a while.
However, to put this all in perspective...the CS Monitor has its shortcomings. Since they don't rely on wire services, if you want to find out about breaking news you can't just read them like you can several other mega-papers. Their articles tend to come out later (it's the flip-side of doing careful research) and are longer - yes, that can be a downside if you're trying to skim. They don't have local, daily delivery in many places, so their stories come even later if you don't read the online site[3].
[1] - In the news when there's no actual content the reporters will often interview each other. It sets up a giant echo chamber. Easiest example? People in flooded New Orleans shooting at rescue helicopters. Turns out it wasn't that common - might not've even happened at all. Hundreds of stories about it, though. Hundreds.
[2] - Elections are often covered as a race. Based on opinion polls candidate A is ahead or behind candidate B. This is done because there is so very, very little news during an election campaign. The same speech
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:5, Interesting)
Haugtvedt, C. P., & Wegener, D. T. (1994). Message order effects in persuasion: An attitude strength perspective. Journal of Consumer Research, 21, 205-218.
For an overview of strongly related topics, see "Multiple Routes To Resisting Attitude Change" by Wegner, Petty, Smoak and Fabrigar in Resistance And Persuation (Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 2004, Edited by Eric S. Knowles and Jay A. Linn.)
Eivind.
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:2)
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:2)
Although I'm still a bit wary of a possible hidden
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:2)
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:3, Insightful)
Aren't Christian Scientists the ones who don't believe in doctors and medicine? I'm sorry, but I find it hard to stomach an organisation which thinks you can just heal yourself through prayer (or whatever) and whose followers are prepared to let their children die rather than accept medical intervention. And I don't think I could differentiate the newspaper from the religion/organisation, any more than I would comfortably read one of Rupert Murdoch's rags.
I'm afraid I have not much more than passing fa
Compare to Time? (Score:2)
I'd noticed that the CSM articles linked off of Slashdot in the past have been very good, but I never thought too much about the pu
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:3, Informative)
Most papers cover every issue as he-said/she-said, and think that providing quotes from every idiot with an agenda is objective reporting. The CSM actually does the hard work of researching complementary articles that fill in multiple aspects of the s
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:2)
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:5, Informative)
Given that this seems to be a common misconception, shouldn't they change the name of the publication?
Their founder requested that Christian Science remain in the paper's name. She felt it was very important that there be a reminder that the paper is dedicated to truth and the discovery of truth. The paper is not a paper of record, it is a journal of discovery of what the world is and what is going on in it. Flowery language, I know - but there is a difference between just printing news and having a mission and moral obligation to print the truth as best you can find it.
The founder thought that keeping Christian Science would serve as that reminder - in a time before women could vote, she made a fortune and had people try to take it away from her by lying about her in court. Years and years after she died the paper has gone on doing what it is. Maybe she got the culture right. Who knows, maybe even the name is important.
Oh, and I might add that the CS Monitor has managed to avoid the "I'm going to beat the truth out of you" school of investigative journalism. This has kept their quality high. Humility has a lot to do with it. Culture matters.
Re:People read the title of the CSM and turn off (Score:2)
>> shouldn't they change the name of the publication?
>
> Their founder requested that Christian Science remain in the paper's name.
How about "Christian Science: the flesh can be healed by prayer. Here's the news"? Too long?
[Christian Science [wikipedia.org]]
What about the literature? (Score:2)
And God said to Noah... (Score:4, Funny)
When Noah was finished and everything was backed up, GOD INSTALLED LINUX! (*angles signing "HALELUJAH!"*) As God wiped away all the JPG's of Angelina Jolie on his harddrive, God though of a brilliant idea to create a flightless black and white bird that had it's own exclusive land that would be way COOLER that Eden. (Eden was a pain in the butt to maintain anyway. Between that Adam and Eve thing, kicking them out, and the cost of Fertilzer, and letting some Iraqi people rent the place and calling it Mesopotamia). This land would be easier to maintain because everything there would be frozen.
When He was done installing the fifth disc of the Linux distro, completing setup, and running yum to install any other RPMS that were not installed on the distro discs, God said "Let there be a land of ice and snow so that my latest creation may live in harmony far away from all the other things that I have made." And so it was. He called this land "Antartica" and the creatures he created were called "penguins".
Then God reinstalled most of the files he had and told Noah "If anyone ask what happen, say there was a great flood." "But what about the uber-believers oh, Lord! The take everything literally for the they think they need You to be responsible for there lives, draw stregth from, and condem all the people they call 'science nerds'?"
And God said onto Noah "F*** those Biblethumpers! I'm tired! I'm going to go listen to some Zep* and watch the penguins." You'll probably destroy yourselves over dumb crap that is about Me but I don't want to be any part of your problems. Besides, nerds rule. Only a nerd would have the ablity to use AI and bring stuff to life."
This made Noah a little said, so to make him cheer up a bit God then stated "However, in case there is a big emergency, give Me a holler."
(*="On the eighth day, God created Led Zeplin. He grabed a beer, then he rested.")
Christians and OSS (Score:2, Interesting)
Oblig. (Score:2)
[ducking]
No-Brainer! (Score:2)
More aggressive? (Score:2)
And, furthermore, isn't tech support one of the foundations of the OSS business model? Give away the software and hope people will pay for help, right? I guess the people at CSM won't us
Way out of line (Score:2)
Aggressively changing the world for the better? (Score:2)
And I'm only partially baiting flames here...
InfoWorld has some more (Score:2)
Buncha damn hippies!! (Score:2)
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Not entirely true (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not entirely true (Score:2)
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Re:Not entirely true (Score:2)
If you think that Wikipedia can confirm anything, you're a fool and don't understand the reliability of that enterprise nor the purpose of encyclo
Re:Not entirely true (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't think you understood the grandparent's comment. Like any encyclopedia, Wikipedia is not a primary source, it is a starting point for res
Re:Not entirely true (Score:2)
That said, what you said Re: Wikipedia is pretty much right, but I'm too fucking tired to care.
Re:to clarify: (Score:5, Insightful)
As an athiest, I can assure you the presence of that one column doesn't somehow "taint" the rest of the newspaper. Quite frankly, the CSM is one of the best, if not THE best, newspapers currently published in the United States, in terms of objectivity, comprehensive coverage of vital issues, and reporting of straightforward facts. You will never see a front page story about Angelina Jolie's baby, or any other nonsense that most American "newspapers" cover, but you will find in-depth reporting from corners of the globe everyone else is ignoring. You'll find original coverage that doesn't rely on republishing the same tired wire reports everyone else is cribbing from, and you'll see rather penetrating journalism that should make every other newspaper's Washington bureau filled with syncophants (of both parties) hang their heads in shame.
Re:to clarify: (Score:2)
Now that gets you an Amen, brother.
Re:Danger Will Robinson! (Score:2)
In other words, a once Godly and Respectable publication has been overrun by terro-communists!!!
Re:Danger Will Robinson! (Score:2)
Re:Danger Will Robinson! (Score:2)
"Christian Scientists" often refuse modern medical treatment in favor of their brand of faith healing. I'd say that puts them about as far out on in extremist territory as anyone. Sure the issues aren't the same, but christian scientists and fundamentalists are pretty much the same when it comes to the willingness to put faith before facts.
Re:What about FreeBSD ? (Score:2)
This is a good thing! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:This is a good thing! (Score:2)
What would Jesus Boot? (Score:2)
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Re:What about FreeBSD ? (Score:2)
*Does a Yahweh jig*
*Looks awkward and goes back to his corner*
Re:Problems (Score:3, Informative)
Re:USA! (Score:3, Insightful)
Smooth you.
Re:I once tried to get tech support for a Red Hat (Score:2)
1. pay $1500.00 for A+ course,
2. pay $1500.00 for MCSE course,
3. memorise click pathes to fix anything!
4. install service pack
5. React in Horror as all the memorised click pathes have change; wash, rinse, repeat