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The Pornographers vs. The Pirates 275

conq writes "BusinessWeek has a piece on how pornography is again leading the way and showing Holywood how to fight back against piracy. From the article: 'Some producers of porn are starting to share revenues from online movies with the distributors of their DVDs, who might otherwise feel endangered by digital distribution online. Bolder yet, one large studio is allowing fans who buy movies online to burn them from their computers onto DVDs, with some protections included, of course.'"
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The Pornographers vs. The Pirates

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  • by dk-software-engineer ( 980441 ) * on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @07:31AM (#15522891)
    Downloading a paid product is not a new thing. It has worked for software in years. I don't see why it shouldn't work for other kinds of data like movieclips and images.

    Of course it's easier to share it with a few thousand closest friends on Internet when you don't have to rip it first. But is it really the ripping part that is hard? Isn't that the easiest part? Why is that so bold, as the summary says?
  • Re:It isn't needed. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Jakob777 ( 322558 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @07:48AM (#15522948)
    I happen to run "Adult Book Stores" (porn shacks) and I have seen only a increase in sales due to the Internet, they bait them with a 10 second clip maybe the get a membership to the site then they are in my store buying up all of that actress that makes there mind go wild and POW I have cash in hand. The same works for the most part with me and my friends, we get the cams of new movies or the new album, and we are out buying it or sitting in a cola covered seat with that crying baby to go see the real thing.

    I think this will make all the profit margins for the adult industry go up, and the RIAA should look into not being such raging pricks but nice calm porn CEO's :)
  • by jamesh ( 87723 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @07:57AM (#15522979)
    Free porn has been available since the invention of alcohol and anyone with enough nerve to nod suggestively at a lady. That is, free-as-in-"give her a"-beer :)

    (I've been waiting a long time for the appropriate place to use that line!)
  • by Fozzyuw ( 950608 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @08:10AM (#15523028)

    Of course paid downloading isn't new and I wouldn't exactly say porn is leading the way (though I would agree porn had done a lot for the internet as well as VHS). I've been using iTunes for some time now, and I've never owned an iPod. It's such a convienance, with one gripe, only 30 secs of a song can be previewed. Anyways, I just spent $5 on iTunes a weekago. I had 5 singles I enjoyed listening too and I downloaded them, burned them to a CD, ripped them back into MP3, put them on my PSP to work out with (yeah, I use it more of a MP3 player than a video or game player. Saddly, that beautiful screen isn't used much, much to my dismay.)

    That same purchase would have costed me between $60-$100 to buy the 5 CD's that each had one of those songs on them. Of course, I would have gotten much more music, but it wasn't the music I was willing to buy. It would be like going to a fast-food restaurant and being forced to only get the combo meal when all you wanted was a small fry.

    I use to work at Wal-Mart and that is when I realized that I no longer wanted to buy CD's. Wal-Mart, the self proclaimed "low price leader", bought their CD's for like $3 and turned around and sold them for $15-20. I wasn't about to participate in that kind of money hording. I'll just keep listening to the radio and downloading the song I want.

  • by houghi ( 78078 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @08:13AM (#15523045)
    They should start copying what the porn movies are doing. First look at the stories. Pornmovies have better stories 9 times out of 10.
    Next you hear all these Oscar winners that lovescenes are the most difficult to play. If that is the case, start giving Ron Jerremy a life-time achievement accadamy award.
    Also note that in porn movies all nudity is functional.

    I still think it is strange that you are not allowed to see two people having sex, yet it is normal to see people get killed in movies.

    If people know that Kill Bill is not real, They might recognise that Deep Throaght is also just a movie.
  • by dsgitl ( 922908 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @08:13AM (#15523049)
    Quite a few politicians -- on both sides -- receive money from whomever it is that owns SpectraVision and other hotel services. While Congressmen might not get contributions directly from porn, they do receive monies, ha ha, on the back end.

    If you're looking for a source, I can offer you the Al Franken show. That's where I heard this information. He was ralling against John McCain for taking contributions from the porn, but that seemed to be a bit of a, ha ha gain, stretch.
  • Re:World peace (Score:4, Interesting)

    by frickendevil ( 977786 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @08:14AM (#15523051)
    You cant stop piracy, period. You can however slow it down, and the porn industry has taken the first step towards this. I believe you missed the point that porn dvds are being sold on the web and being delivered via digital means instead of buying a hard copy, this tactic has worked brilliantly with mp3 downloads, as long as they are reasonably priced, people will pay for the convenience. If the movie industry followed suit of the porn industry, they too will be able to "keep on top" of piracy (for lack of a better saying, pun intended)

    As for burning it onto a DVD, there are thousands of reasons. Including:
    1. Getting tips from a pro - If you watch a world cup soccer match, it doesnt make you a world cup soccer player. But it can give you ideas on how to better yourself, and if you watch it over and over, you understand how it works, then you can just go practice it.

    2. Some full length porn features are really long, especially the ones without stories. So it could take you a while to get through it, having convenience on DVD.

    3. Save space on your computer.

    4. Easier to put a DVD into a dvd player then it is to drag a laptop or a monitor over towards your bed to watch it with your girl/boy/trannyfriend.

    5. Label it family photos and the kids will never touch it.

    6. Easier to share with friends.

    7. A particular porn star might just tickle your fancy, so you watch it for them, instead of the movie itself.

    8. Being able to give a physical size to your collection, giving you bragging rights "Mine is bigger then yours!"

    9. If your computer breaks down, and you need to take it to a techie, they wont find your stash after you have already burnt and deleted it.

    10. Same reason anyone buys any movies on DVD or VHS for that matter, after 5 years you forgotten the nitty gritty parts and you can rewatch and learn.

    BTW just because you don't share your porn with a kinky significant other (if you have one that is) doesn't mean other people don't. I would prefer my porn in DVD format.
  • Re:Bigger Business (Score:4, Interesting)

    by PhiltheeG ( 688063 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @08:28AM (#15523115)
    Add to the above the fact that pornographic material is easily reusable and can be repackaged numerous ways at a low cost. Pornography also lends itself very well to the type of on-demand, pick-what-you-want Internet mentality. Theoretically a studio can sign a group of performers to a contract to shoot a set number of scenes, distribute those scenes in DVD format in full-length movies, repackage the scenes later as a "best-of performer" then redistrbute, slice and repackage the individual scenes the redistribute them by genre, etc. etc. It is still all the same stuff, simply packaged differently and offered in a way a consumer would like. Also, think of the possibilities for repackaging "classic" movies and redistributing of billions of hours of material.
  • by castlec ( 546341 ) <castlec AT yahoo DOT com> on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @08:42AM (#15523168)
    Where do you operate from? I've been kinda thinking about starting a side business here in the Czech Republic. The women are plentiful and inexpensive but I really don't know what the sales value of a set are. Care to comment? You can contact me through email if you like.
  • by IANAAC ( 692242 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @09:43AM (#15523488)
    Is the fact that one is incredibly well funded for research of new technologies, while the other gets no funding.

    Yet both groups manage to come up with advances.

  • Re:Protections? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by blank101 ( 862789 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @10:20AM (#15523725) Journal
    As "funny" as that may be, I'd bet the porn industry was wary of sexually transmitted disease and unwanted pregnancy far before the general public. I imagine it was a much more immediate matter of survival for them, in addition to being a more rapidly obvious problem.
  • by eno2001 ( 527078 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @11:00AM (#15524030) Homepage Journal
    The demand for the products that the pr0n industry produces far dwarfs the demand for the crap that the (MP|RI)AA -- (Note how cool it is that I used a RegEx and actually used MORE characters instead of less to say the same thing. I am 1337, bow down.) put out. Basically if you've got everyone chomping at the bit for your product and you know they're going to sell hard and fast, then you're not going to be averse to letting a little product slip through your fingers. Especially if youre product is cheap. Unlike Hollywood, the porn industry puts out "first run" movies for about $40 and then progressively drops the price the older the product is. If you're a smart porn conneseur, you can buy movies that are one or two years old for only $10. Let's see Hollywood do THAT. It'll never happen. And you know why? Because the music and movie industries KNOW that their product is total crap in terms of demand. Yeah, some morons want the pap, but they don't want to pay outrageous prices for it. And based on the fact that both the RIAA and the MPAA are looking to outlaw the sale of used product more than twice (meaning you can't sell beyond one person) beyond the original sale, I'd say that there's going to be a whole lotta thievin' goin' on... Have a nice day chumps.
  • Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Dread_ed ( 260158 ) on Tuesday June 13, 2006 @11:24AM (#15524273) Homepage
    "Why hasn't porn gone bust like the movie and music industries say will happen to them? "

    The main difference I see is that porn is an addictive substance. Don't you remember the playground pushers motto, "The first one is always free"?

    Many people would not buy porn their first time out. They have to "acquire the taste" first before they will go and spend cash on it. What better way to expose people to it than to make it free and obscenely easy to access?

    Most consumers of porn are feshitists of some kind. They enjoy seeing activity "x" over seeing position "y", etc. This selectivity leads to the consumer model of porn. Cater to the individual tastes. Then, if you make it they will come. Sometimes on your face. But invariably they will come and buy it. Not all of them, but enough of them to pay the bills and make it worthwhile.

    Even those who never pay for pornographic material help the ponographers consumer model by showing it to others. It spreads through people in an almost a viral way: some are immune, some have it but it is dormant, some are carriers, and some are just plain sick.

    So to put it in analogy format: free pirated porn on the internet is to porn sales as FM radio is to album sales. The mechanisms of interest and addiction are different, but the result is similar. Show people something that they want and some of them will spend cash on it.

    However, the price of "buying" a new customer for porn is a bit higher than music because the pornograpther is fighting religious conditioning, social stigma, even secular morality in an attempt to gain a new customer. This dosen't even consider the fact of restricted access and delivery methods. Fortunately for those pandering porn they have the biology of the body on their side. From endorphins and adrenaline to sensory neurons and autonomic responses we are hard-wired into sexual desire. All they have to do is pit the body against the inhibitions enough times through repeated exposure and they have a new client, probably for life.

    Repeated exposure...Hmmm. Remind you of anything? How about how radio stations play the same song over and over.


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