Windows Vista Beta Running on a PPC Mac 121
goombah99 writes "Macosxhints is giving a set of tips that let any Mac user boot Windows Vista on a Mac. In this case, it's not a native Intel boot but rather VirtualPC running on a PPC G5 Mac. Thus Vista and Mac OS X can run concurrently. There are no extravagant hacks needed, just a matter of finding the right set of configurations to let VirtualPC present the proper disk images for mounting and BIOS settings to the installer. This bodes well for native installs onto the Intel Mac." Actually, there have been successful (though not glitch-free) installs of beta versions of Vista on Intel Macs for a few months now. Here's a report from Hans Verbeeck (Developer Evangelist for Microsoft EMEA) on putting Vista Beta 2 on a MacBook Pro.
How so? (Score:5, Insightful)
How so? I would like goombah99 to clarify this statement. As timothy points out, Vista has been installing on Intel Macs for a while. The thing is that it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Vista can run in an x86 emulation environment for a different processor family. It doesn't bode anything at all because it's irrelevent.
This has nothing to do with Intel Macs (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes it is news (Score:2, Insightful)
Other's have only been able to install Vista by wiping out the EFI boot partition. Here's a way to concurrently run Vista. It shows it can be done without reformating the disk.
Second,
it shows that Contrary to rumors, Vista is not crippled against running on macs or under virtual systems.
Third,
it shows macs meet the minumum specs for Vista, so one need not hesitate about buying a mac now if one was worried about running vista.
Fourth,
it means you can do comparisons of Vista and mac osx.
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Re:Microsoft to buy Apple. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:How so? (Score:3, Insightful)
Except PPC Macs use OpenFirmware, not EFI. The first Macs to use EFI were the Intel Macs. And as others have pointed out (which you repeatedly seem to be ignoring), Apple introduced legacy BIOS support for EFI Macs with BootCamp. Since that came out a few months ago, you haven't had to worry about wiping out your EFI partition.
The bigger news however is headline: vista runs on PPC.
Vista runs on PPC under an x86 virtualization environment. That's not news in the slightest. You really sound like you don't understand what role the different processors play in the whole scheme of things.
Re:Misleading headline... (Score:4, Insightful)
Since you claim to have read the article, you'd have noticed that the big deal isn't "It works in an emulator" but rather "At first it wouldn't install in VPC, but someone found a neat trick to get it to install." I didn't even know it was possible to get into a BIOS setup screen in VPC.
I agree, it would be extremely slow though. I have a Dual 1.8GHz G5, and the Virtual PC seems to run at ~350 MHZ for me (not a scientific measurement... just a guess based on how it 'feels'). Considering Vista's minimum requirements are at least 800 MHz, I wouldn't want to use it on a regular basis.
That being said, I'm going to try it out anyway, just to take a look at Vista.
Re:Vista will flop (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:How so? (Score:3, Insightful)
Uh, no it doesn't. It runs on emulation of an x86, running on a PPC. It does not, repeat NOT run on the PPC hardware. It's in a 100% emulated environment.
Re:Yes it is news (Score:3, Insightful)
2. This is a BETA and most if not all the retail checking mechanisms are not in place, due to the fact that in a year--let alone whenever it gets released--the methods of detection will most likely change significantly.
3. It is a virtual system, therefore it can trick the OS into thinking whatever specs are needed for the OS to run. See the last question about changing specs, and timeframes. by the time it is released, the specs may change significantly.
4. Err... No. Not on a virtual system, that's running on top of another system. The virtual system (unless part of Xen, and even still) will most likely fail all tests. Not to mention it's an apples to oranges-who-are-growing-on-fake-trees-with-artifi
MOD PARENT UP! (Score:1, Insightful)
This is not news (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Mac OSX on PCs? THIS is what I am waiting for.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Simple reason to put Windows on a Macbook Pro: Games. I'm tired of having reconnect my monitor to a Windows machine for games and one for my PowerMac. The ONLY reason I keep a Windows machine around is to play games. I don't use it for anything else. OSX does everything else (Office, banking, surfing the net, etc) better.
I also don't want two monitors. I want one machine that can run Windows for gaming, and then OSX for everything else. Apple now has a product that does this well. I'm going to purchase this.