Dvorak Admits To Trolling Mac Users 354
jalefkowit writes "Tech pundit John Dvorak has long been known for his inflammatory opinions. Many have suspected that these opinions are just a way to drive up traffic to his column. Now, we have it straight from the horse's mouth: Dave Winer has Dvorak on video describing his methodology for trolling the Mac community to pump up his stats."
I have to admit I'm also guilty of posting the occasional inflammatory story, but I find it's usually best to suffix the title with a question mark, and let our ever-knowledgeable readers hash out the issue and decide for themselves.
Re:Trolling the Mac community? (Score:5, Insightful)
Too bad Apple does not include a sense of humor with iLife. Even now when Dvorak's let us all in on the joke, they still don't get it.
So what? (Score:3, Insightful)
It's sort of like accusing a congressman of creating and passing good legislation because he has a secret desire to get re-elected, or accusing someone of going to work to get paid. Imagine the nerve of some people!
advertising, not "stats" (Score:3, Insightful)
[SNIP]Dave Winer has Dvorak on video describing his methodology for trolling the Mac community to pump up his stats." [SNIP] I have to admit I'm also guilty of posting the occasional inflammatory story, but I find it's usually best to suffix the title with a question mark, and let our ever-knowledgeable readers hash out the issue and decide for themselves.
You do it for the same reason Dvorak did it. Not to boost "stats"- to boost advertising revenue by increasign page hits. A 300-post thread is thrilling advertising-wise compared to a 30-comment thread. It's always about increasing advertising revenues.
The evil "main stream media" has a term for it: sensationalism. You should attract readers via the quality of your content, not its controversialism. These days I see the average tech story on the homepage of my city's newspaper 1, 2, 3 days before it hits slashdot- and half the time, it's an AP wire story! Gone are the days when the media outlets didn't have contacts in the tech industry or didn't "understand" it. Slashdot's become a real bore, and the quality of commentary both on the part of editors and readers has gone straight downhill.
The question mark (Score:3, Insightful)
Which is, unfortunately, the case with many Slashdot (and most Digg) stories. As soon as I see a sensationalistic title ending with a question mark, I automatically skip to the next story.
Re:I've said it before (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I've said it before (Score:5, Insightful)
No, this is backwards. The unwashed masses will never be collectively smart enough to distinguish a troll, statistical certainty and all that. This is the purpose of editorial control, to go beyond the bell curve. Dvorak can be kept off
meta-troll (Score:3, Insightful)
Trolling Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Trolling? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I've said it before (Score:5, Insightful)
For example, Dvorak has been trying to force the monitor companies to bring new technologies to market for at least the last 20 years. That is why he hypes-Hypes-HYPES any rumour of a new display technoloy (seen that 300 dpi Texas Instruments display he reported "almost ready for production" in 1995 yet?). 40% truth, 40% exaggeration, 20% Dvorak-generated spin.
But as I said, that is how gossip columns of any kind work. Don't like it, don't read it.
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Interesting ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Now
Re:Trolling Nothing New (Score:5, Insightful)
What's the right course of action (Score:4, Insightful)
When John Dvorak writes his typical troll stories, potentially millions of people not familiar with the phenomenon John Dvorak take the article at face value and form opinion of people and products that affect their purchase choice and they also share the misinformation with other people.
Tell a lie enough times, and it stops being a lie in people's minds.
So are "Mac zealots" to be mocked about reacting strongly to lies spread in the media, or should the liears not exist in first place?
It's not so funny that media use misinformation just to drive ad impressions up. That's really low of them.
Mac Users Admit To Ignoring Dvorak (Score:3, Insightful)
If Slashdot didn't occasionally regurgitate his vapor I wouldn't know that he was still around.
Re:Trolling? (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree with most all of your post, but on this point I'd like to make it clear that there are Slashdot users that can be counted on both pro and con. Every story brings out the apologists, the attackers and the defenders, as well as both the informed and the uniformed.
Re:"Technical Elite" and Macs (Score:3, Insightful)
This is a little simplistic. Even in the Mac OS 8/9 era (before OS X became usable for mainstream purposes with Jaguar), which is when Mac OS was technically most embarrassing, there were legitimate uses for it. Its worst weaknesses were the lack of the two PMs and any more than marginal multi-user support. On a dedicated-purpose workstation always running one stable application, it could achieve very long uptimes, and it had real security advantages over any of today's systems. Coupled with the total superiority of the PPC before the G4 stagnated in 2001-03, it's actually not that hard to see why even knowledgeable users in certain fields kept their Macs, and why Apple continued to sell $3000+ Power Mac G4s during the darkest days.
Now, for the majority of us, the story was different. I waited a very long time after I bought my beige G3 in 1998 to buy another machine, simply assuming the OS X transition was going to fail, the platform was going to die, and I'd need to switch to Windows when the G3 got Too Old. I didn't feel comfortable buying another Mac until the Aluminum PowerBooks and Panther came out in 2003.
Incidentally, one irony of this history is that Windows has become what many technically knowledgeable users feared the Mac would be twenty years ago: a system where it's almost impossible for the user to assert control over the OS at a granular level. What ultimately keeps me from switching to Windows (besides the superiority of Apple laptop design) is Windows and its applications' consistent and deliberate obfuscation of every modification they make, which has just gotten worse in every generation of Windows since 95, and which is promising to get even worse in Vista. Of course Linux in general doesn't suffer this problem, but I need an OS that will run mainstream music production software, and Linux ain't it.
And in other news, Dvorak discovers meta-trolling. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Trolling the Mac community? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Trolling the Mac community? (Score:4, Insightful)
Or you'll realize that time and life are precious, and reading Dvorak is a complete waste of both.
Re:Companies vs Their Products; The Nature of Flam (Score:3, Insightful)
Many PC makers bundle (or offer as a cheap option) Microsoft Works Suite [microsoft.com], which includes Word 2002, Works (basic spreadsheet, database, calendar), Digital Image Standard (iPhoto), Encarta, Money, and Streets & Trips Essentials. Every PC sold with a DVD burner is bundled with DVD creation software (iDVD) and the vast majority are also bundled with movie-making software (iMovie). Whether or not the software bundled with a particular PC is comparable to iLife (or is better) depends on the PC.
I think I agree with the rest of your comment. I just think the new Apple ads are almost as misleading as Bill O'Reilly or Michael Moore.
Re:Trolling the Mac community? (Score:2, Insightful)
Or just hit command-Q. You can also use command-W, but this causes the elevator car to wait around holding a triangle until you come back, clogging up traffic.
Re:Dvorak Screws PC Advertisers (Score:3, Insightful)
OK everyone, let's shed a tear for the poor advertisers.
Hey, where did everyone go?!?
Advertisers aren't innocents. If they get hurt, they went in with their eyes open.....
Re:Overtonnage Overkillers (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact that you bring him up as a possible counter troll to Ann Coulter shows just how far on the right the US sits.