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Lenovo To Shun Linux 462

dominique_cimafranca writes "CRN reports that Lenovo will not install or support the Linux operating system on any of its PCs. Lenovo is positioning itself as an exclusive partner of Microsoft, several weeks after the companies announced they were 'reaffirming' global market development and cooperation agreements." From the article: "A Lenovo spokesman later said the non-Linux strategy is also applicable for the company's Thinkpad brand of notebooks, although Lenovo will provide advice to customers who insist on deploying desktop Linux systems in some fashion. While Lenovo and Microsoft have had a long OEM relationship that pre-dates Lenovo's takeover last year of the former IBM PC Co., IBM had been supportive of Linux throughout its product line -- including preloading it on Thinkpads -- before the sale to Lenovo."
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Lenovo To Shun Linux

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  • by bstadil ( 7110 ) on Sunday June 04, 2006 @03:41AM (#15465295) Homepage
    Turion x2 based HP machines DV2000z. They will be out in 2 weeks or so. Killer design made by Nisha in Japan. Here []is the Intel verison
  • Read the article you link to. Lenovo is based in the PRC (mainland China) while the Linux requirement was mandated by the ROC (Taiwan). Two totally different countries, even if the rest of the world does'nt have the balls to acknowledge Taiwan.
  • by jopet ( 538074 ) on Sunday June 04, 2006 @04:44AM (#15465450) Journal
    I do not see how Lenovo, or any computer seller could possibly support Linux the way it is done with Windows: these companies do not manufacture all of the computers themselves. They assemble components from other hardware vendors. The problem is - there is no stable, working way how these hardware components are supported. Hardware vendors do not provide opensource drivers and Linux does not want closed-source drivers. If 3rd parties provide opensource drivers they often are buggy and lag behind current hardware.

    But in order for a computer seller to "support" Linux, these things should just work at least to some acceptable degree. Which is not the case really.

    Do you know of any other laptop where *all* hardware components work under Linux as they are supposed to?

    As long as Linux will continue its "opensource only" policy for drivers, this situation will continue. Simply because Linux does not have the market power to enforce anything (as MS does have). It is quite easy for harware manufacturers to simply ignore Linux. Developing good drivers for Linux would cost more money than they would gain by additional sells.

    As somebody who uses Linux 100% of the time, I am not happy about this, but unfortunately, these are the sad facts. Given the current move of Linux advocates against closed source drivers and DRM the situation will get worse in the future. I do not see how it will be possible to play HD/BR-DVDs on a Linux machine or how to handle encrypted HDTV signals.

    Unless there is a drastic change of who Linux is getting developed the gap between Linux and Windows will widen -- no matter how crappy, buggy, or insecure Vista will turn out to be (probably not that much, given the effort that was invested in it).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04, 2006 @04:51AM (#15465468)
    As the current owner of an X31 and four staff to buy laptops for, I think it is a bit stupid of Lenevo to do what they have done.

    I prejudice company purchase by the level of linux support first then toughness and size second (we like small and light but tough).

    Truth be told though, my staff are Chinese and would not touch the Lenovo brand with a barge pole. To them, it seems like Skoda just bought Rolls Royce and they don't think the future has the word 'quality' anywhere in it for thinkpads.

    So I would say from what I'm seeing, Thinkpads were a good brand and Lenovo just wasted a ton of dollars.
  • Toshiba Tecra M4 (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04, 2006 @05:49AM (#15465574)
    Is there any other laptop out there as good? (And doesn't have those horrible pad mouse things?

    I have a proper IBM ThinkPad, and like yourself, I've always liked them. And I will not buy anything that doesn't run Linux, period.

    However, when I upgraded my laptop just over a year ago, it was to a Toshiba Tecra M4, because it beat Lenovo ThinkPad hands down in MANY areas: cost (only 1000 UK Pounds, astounding for the specs!), 3D graphics (nVidia 6200 Go), display resolution (1400x1050), all-integrated comms (Wifi, Bluetooth, PSTN modem, gigabit ethernet), multiple storage built in (hard disk, CD/DVD, SD card, and PCMCIA slot for microdrive) and it's a sexy laptop-tablet convertible (use it in either mode, as the display swivels).

    Of course it supports Linux beautifully too, everything works.

    Unfortunately, it does have a mouse touchpad (but you don't have to use it of course), as well as a ThinkPad-style nipple, plus USB slots if you want an external mouse, all of which can be used to move the mouse pointer at the same time.

    I should mention the downsides of the Tecra M4 too: it's very heavy despite being quite slim, and it sucks power like there's no tomorrow. If you can live with those bad points, I strongly recommend it as a ThinkPad "upgrade".

    Oh, there's also a 3rd downside: Toshiba "customer service" ranges from non-existent through incompetent to pure customer-hatred. Worth mentioning, in case that matters to you. :-)
  • Re:their loss (Score:5, Informative)

    by m874t232 ( 973431 ) on Sunday June 04, 2006 @06:25AM (#15465651)
    The reason I don't run a Linux machine is BECAUSE no vendor (known to me) sells hardware that will be guaranteed to run Linux with 100% hardware working.

    You really have to look around a bit more: there are thousands of vendors that sell Linux pre-installed and guarantee that it's working, including same-day hardware and software support.

    The lack of Linux adoption is really first and foremost a hardware issue

    There is no "lack of Linux adoption"; at this point, Linux is the most common OS after Windows, with OS X trailing a distant third on servers and a closer third on desktops. Linux supports far more hardware than OS X, and far more hardware out of the box than Windows.

    The only area where there is any practically significant difficulty with Linux and hardware these days is on laptops and with 3D cards--both of those are real problems, but they don't matter that much to Linux's core market, and they will get fixed sooner or later. It's a shame Lenovo didn't take this opportunity to help address these issues, but it's ultimately their loss.
  • by m874t232 ( 973431 ) on Sunday June 04, 2006 @06:32AM (#15465664)
    For servers and workstations, you can go with companies like Penguin Computing [] (there are many more of them) that put together machines out of Linux-compatible components, integrate it, preinstall everything, and ship it.

    For laptops, there are actually plenty of Linux compatible laptops, but there is no single recognizable brand that is consistently Linux compatible, making the problem one of selection, not availability. Fortunately, a number of companies like Emperor Linux [] do the legwork for you.

    With hardware virtualization on the new Intel mobile chips, using Windows or OS X as a "bootstrap loader and device driver" for Linux is another reasonable choice. That way, you get all the goodness of a Linux desktop environment on your hardware, but installation is trivial and you can strip down the host OS to its bare minimum.
  • I don't think so (Score:3, Informative)

    by m874t232 ( 973431 ) on Sunday June 04, 2006 @06:46AM (#15465690)
    OS X gives you basically just one theme (well, there are third party hacks, but I have found them to be pretty unpredictable), plus the option of enabling a few gimmicks in the GUI. And architecturally, a lot of that stuff happens by special-purpose functionality.

    The combination of Gnome, KDE, and X11 in (K)Ubuntu already gives you a choice of dozens of well-designed themes each, in addition to having implemented nearly all the special effects that OS X has.

    But that's just the beginning, because the Xgl architecture makes it much easier to implement new visual GUI technologies. People have already demonstrated far more sophisticated and complex GUI techniques and visual styles than anything shown by Apple.
  • Re:their loss (Score:2, Informative)

    by linuxrocks123 ( 905424 ) on Sunday June 04, 2006 @09:07AM (#15466030) Homepage Journal tml []

    It's still unclear whether Linux or OS X is #2; that article is from 2004, and both Linux and OS X have gained market share since then.

    As far as servers, Linux is actually #3 after the combined market share of all UNIces. If you separate out OS X Server explicitly, Linux clearly wins, though.
  • T-series (Score:5, Informative)

    by Noksagt ( 69097 ) on Sunday June 04, 2006 @10:47AM (#15466392) Homepage
    I've had both a T42 (IBM) and T43 (Lenovo). Both are solidly built.and both are excellent Linux machines.
  • Re:their loss (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04, 2006 @12:22PM (#15466847)
    "Apple is restricted to Apple machines only," he told TechNewsWorld. "Pretty much everyone and his dog has a PC. Since Linux works on a PC, that gives it a lot of room to surpass Apple."

    That has already happened, [] according to IDC, of Framingham, Massachusetts, which reports that Linux became the number two desktop operating system in 2003.

    It won't end there, either. When the Playstation 3 is released, Linux will be used on 100 times more end user machines than OS X. Then when the OLPC (one laptop per child) is released, Linux will run on 100000 times more end user machines than OS X and will start to catching up, and eventually will overtake, Windows worldwide.

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