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Pirates, Web 2.0, and Hundred Dollar Laptop 339

A few quick updates on some recent Slashdot stories in Slashback tonight. We have some additional information on the ever-interesting hundred-dollar laptop, the ongoing flap over the trademarking of 'Web 2.0' for conferences, and the shutdown of the Pirate Bay site. Read on for details.

Update on the One Laptop per Child Project. dominique_cimafranca writes "Ethan Zuckerman gives a report on his visit to the headquarters of the One Laptop per Child project. Some details on practical design considerations such as the hinge, the rabbit ears, and why the hand crank was ultimately left out (apparently, Kofi Annan broke the crank on a prototype). Several pictures, and a look at the motherboard of the OLPC laptop."

TOR Calls Out Torvalds, Stallman on Web 2.0. theodp writes "In an unusual defense of partner CMP's trademarking of Web 2.0, Tim O'Reilly points a finger at Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman in his rebuttal posts. TOR also says the blogger who posted the O'Reilly-approved cease-and-desist letter from CMP 'owes us an apology for the way he responded' (he got one)."

Fallout from The Pirate Bay Raid. Tyler Too writes "The Swedish national police website has been taken offline by a denial of service attack which started Thursday night. That's not the only fallout from the raid on The Pirate Bay: there's a demonstration planned in Stockholm on Saturday."

U.S. Government Ordered The Pirate Bay Shutdown? mkro writes "According to the Swedish government sponsored tv channel SVT, U.S. government officials -- after being approached by the MPAA -- requested the Swedish justice department to take down The Pirate Bay. According to the story, the Swedish justice department asked police and prosecution to act, but when they explained the laws are too vague, they turned directly to the state attorney and the chief of the national police force."

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  • tpb (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Whiney Mac Fanboy ( 963289 ) * <> on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:36PM (#15458970) Homepage Journal
    check out wednesday night on the weekly graph []
    • Re:tpb (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Claudius II ( 973798 )
      Hm, but look at the monthly graph. End of week 18 is down on the same level as week 22. Maybe this "fall" has nothing to do with The Pirate Bay at all. Perhaps this is just a natural variation.
    • Re:tpb (Score:5, Funny)

      by RandomPrecision ( 911416 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @11:31PM (#15460041)
      And check out this yearly graph [] too.
    • > check out wednesday night on the weekly graph

      I don't think those graphs show anything. First of all, if you look at the 4 week graph, you'll see that activity is usually highest on Monday, and then it decays to a low level during the weekend. This week's pattern is no different. Next, if you look at the yearly graph, this week is one of the highest in the last year. So all in all, I don't know what your conclusion is? Traffic in Sweeden went down because of TPB closing? I don't see that.

      And anywa
  • If you're going to abbreviate things like that, make sure they don't abbreviate to actual technologies. []

    It only took a second or two for me to figure out you weren't talking about EFF, but it was still annoying.
    • by pavon ( 30274 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:06PM (#15459153)
      I can't be the only one who first read that as TOR [] Publishing. I almost had a heart attack. I mean, I can deal with boycotting eBay, MPAA, RIAA, for their IP idiocy, but TOR? Do not play so cruelly with my fragile nerdy heart.

      Seriously, I have never heard any one abbreviate Tim O'Reilly TOR.
      • by grammar fascist ( 239789 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @11:57PM (#15460109) Homepage
        Seriously, I have never heard any one abbreviate Tim O'Reilly TOR.

        Oh, yeah. And Linus is LBT (which is also Lettuce, Bacon, and Tomato), Alan Cox is AC (anonymous coward), Paul Graham is PG (parental guidance - which is way too mild, IMO, for his near-pornographic technical book, On Lisp), and Bruce Perens is BP (blood pressure, Black Panthers, or Solomon Islands, of all things).

        Huh. Maybe we should stick to spelling out the names. Except RMS (root mean square - voltage and stuff) and ESR (electron spin resonance), because we've been using those for years.
      • by Xtifr ( 1323 )
        > I can't be the only one who first read that as TOR Publishing.

        Nope, you're not. I assume that you (like me) have a lot more TOR books on your shelves than you do O'Reilly books? (Though I admit I have plenty of both.)
    • Think you've got it bad... I thought at first the abbreviation was referring to TORvalds. Need more caffeine...
    • TOR != Tor [].

      So there's really no confusion.

  • by Orrin Bloquy ( 898571 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:48PM (#15459046) Journal
    ...and get to puppetteer your own US foreign policy today!

    MPAA: get Heathrow drug dogs sniffing DVDs!
    RIAA: get Swedish police shutting down torrents!
    GNAA: get chocolate buttsecks!
  • THE Police Website. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Vo0k ( 760020 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:48PM (#15459049) Journal
    Seems the DDoS has stopped and it hasn't been slashdotted yet, see while you can! []
  • by bananaendian ( 928499 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:52PM (#15459079) Homepage Journal
    From the One Laptop per Child [] blog:

    The current prototype accepts voltage from -23 to +23v

    And the guy's writing the article for IEEE Spectrum []. Good luck in your next job.

    • by SydShamino ( 547793 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:20PM (#15459237)
      I cannot get to the blog; it appears to be suffering from its own DOS attack at the moment.

      Thus, I must assume that the blog is a general description of the product specifications, not a detailed, technical presentation. (My apologies if I am wrong.)

      That said, the portion you cited is an acceptable simplification of the actual product specs, when the target audience is non-techincal. It may have been more accurate to say the following:

      "The current prototype accepts input voltages from 2.25 to 23 Volts, including sources with high noise components. It can also correct for inverted supply inputs, allowing it to effectively support -2.25 to -23 Volts."

      However, a non-technical person (perhaps even just a non-electrical engineer) would get little to no additional information from my quote than from his. Why should he write overly-complicated blog posts above the technical comprehension level of his intended audience?

      Again, I cannot verify the blog post's intended audience, as I cannot access it. However, this is not the first time I've seen people on Slashdot react to non-technical writing by technical people, and attack those people for that writing. Instead of doing this, the correct response is to examine both the writer and his intended audience. If people on Slashdot are not the intended audience of the post, then the Slashdot reader should judge the technical level as the intended reader would, not as he or she does.
    • Re:Zero point energy (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2006 @09:01PM (#15459460)
      Ethan Zuckerman's musings on Africa, international development
      and hacking the media.
      June 1, 2006
      It's cute. It's orange. It's got bunny ears. An update on the One Laptop Per Child project
      Filed under: Developing world, ICT4D, Geekery -- Ethan @ 5:52 pm

      Last Friday, I visited with my friends Walter Bender and Jim Gettys at the new headquarters of the One Laptop per Child Project - the past few days have been so busy that I'm just getting the chance to write up notes from our conversation now, almost a week later. I'm writing an article for the IEEE Spectrum on the project and had asked Walter if I could come by and grill him on the technical and conceptual details of the project. But that's really just an excuse - I'm fascinated by the project, and am trying to offer what help I can to Nicholas Negroponte and his team in helping people understand what the project is and isn't, offering my perspective on how the device might best be rolled out, supported and used in developing nations.

      One of the most interesting phenomena surrounding the One Laptop Per Child project has been the amount of attention it's garnered, not just from the development community, but from average users around the world. Interest in the project seems to focus on a basic and very compelling idea: a laptop that costs a hundred dollars or less. After writing a long blogpost on the project and an article at, I now average receive on average 20 emails per week asking to purchase the laptop, or recieve one as a gift. I now have a keyboard macro that gives a stock response: I'm not officially affiliated with the project, the laptop isn't available yet, and when it is, it will be sold in lots of a million or more to governments and school systems.

      Most of the people who write me are interested in owning a laptop they can afford. And that, it turns out, is not the goal of the One Laptop Per Child project. Their goal is to produce a laptop designed for use by children - students in grades K-12. And that requires radically different design decisions that what one would make in simply creating a low-cost laptop.


      Getting across the distinction that this is a children's laptop, not just a cheap laptop, is a surprisingly difficult task. When I last wrote about the laptop on Worldchanging, a number of commenters mentioned that they'd like one of the computers as a backup or travel computer - I suspect they might feel differently after playing with one of the current prototypes. They're really small. This is a good thing - I wouldn't want a kindergarden student carrying around my 12 PowerBook - it's too heavy and too fragile. The current prototype is little, orange, and very, very cute. It has a molded plastic handle and looks remarkably like a Speak and Spell.

      It's got bunny years - antennas for the 802.11s wireless radios, which are designed to self-assemble meshes with other laptops. The ears fold down to cover the USB, power and mic ports, an excellent design for the sorts of dusty environments I can imagine the device used in. The screen in the current prototype is a conventional LCD screen - the screen in the production devices will be roughly the same size, probably slightly larger than the 7.5 screen in the prototype, but will be based around a technique that doesn't require white fluorescent backlight. (Many of the questions I need to answer for the IEEE article concern the screen, as it's one of the most expensive and power-hungry components of the machine.) The keyboard is about 60% of the size of a conventional keyboard and has calculator-style keys.

      My favorite feature of the current prototype is the hinge that holds the machine together. Ever since Nicholas outlined the engineering challenges of building a good hinge, I've been fascinated by the different ways people attach screens to laptops. As promised, the laptop can be folded into an ebook, with the screen on top, used as a handheld game player, or have the screen turned around so the machine can be used
    • Re:Zero point energy (Score:3, Informative)

      by KD7JZ ( 161218 )
      I don't quite get your point. While it would be better for it to be able to accept -48 (or -50) to +48, it is quite a valid goal to be able to be powered by -24 to +24 (or so). It reduces problems with accidental reverse polarity hookups, as well as being powered by telecom type systems which are typically positive ground.
    • Re:Zero point energy (Score:3, Informative)

      by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )
      What's wrong with that? Are you afraid that if the voltage falls too low there won't be enough power to run the laptop? It's convenient that power = voltage*current. So if you lower the voltage you need to supply more current. This gets a little pesky if your voltage hits zero, of course, since you'll then have to have infinite current. I'd recommend avoiding that.

      Now, practically, the statement probably isn't PERFECTLY correct since your power supply circuitry is going to have some minimal resistance
  • Way to Un-clarify (Score:5, Informative)

    by NoTheory ( 580275 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:53PM (#15459087)
    TOR Calls Out Torvalds, Stallman on Web 2.0. theodp writes "In an unusual defense of partner CMP's trademarking of Web 2.0, Tim O'Reilly points a finger at Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman in his rebuttal posts. TOR also says the blogger who posted the O'Reilly-approved cease-and-desist letter from CMP 'owes us an apology for the way he responded' (he got one)."

    If one reads O'Reilly's post, the entire endeavor undertaken in the post is to explain how USUAL the cease and desist letter that was issued is when defending a trademark. And then he cites Torvolds and other as examples of other people who have trademarks they wish to defend. There's no finger pointing going on, nor is there any oddity in his defense. Which again, is the whole point of O'Reilly's discussion. This entire thing has been blown way out of proportion, and i'm amazed that someone can read O'Reilly's piece and then go ahead and incorrectly convey the content.

    What irony.
    • In fact, he doesn't even mention Richard Stallman or any trademarks he may have registered, directly or indirectly, throughout the whole article.
      • He mentions Stallman in a reply to one of the comments, where he invents a scenario where someone might create an organization that uses the term "Free Software" in the name, but is actually ideologically at odds with the FSF. According to ToR, Stallman would immediately leap into action, issuing Cease and Desists (or at least, that's implied, because O'Really is suggesting the scenario is comparable.

        To the best of my knowledge, this is bullshit on a grand scale. I don't doubt that Stallman would complain

  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:54PM (#15459093) Homepage
    I sincerely hope that other governmental bodies of the world come to realize that the political influence of the U.S. is simply poison to them. They threaten every democratic society they influence with their agenda. I am increasingly ashamed, embarassed and angered by the tactics used by our government. While I believe it would be painful or maybe just disruptive, but I think that, for starters, the US should be excommunicated from the U.N. and N.A.T.O. alliances for their behavior. Talk about your "monopoly abuse" cases...

    It's time other nations started to shun the US even more than they already do. Perhaps then some sort of balance could come from this. The next bout of elections will not come soon enough but even then I'm unsure of how much damage will be reversed.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:02PM (#15459133)
      Days of the US hegemony are numbered. The writing is on the wall. At the moment soverign states pay lip service but when the Euro shift comes and the dollar tanks US arrogance is going to be left screaming at the skies. Don't be ashamed of your govenment, do something about it. The USA was once a bastion of liberty and freethought, it's not too late to save your nations reputation from the ugly minority that weild disproportionate power.
    • They threaten every democratic society they influence with their agenda.
      Because the concepts of intellectual property and copyright were invented by the US, and the only people who benefit from those concepts are Americans (it's funny that you are actually implying that Americans are the only ones who produce decent intellectual property).

      I think that, for starters, the US should be excommunicated from the U.N. and N.A.T.O. alliances for their behavior.
      The US is supposed to pay 1/4 of the UN's expense
      • Did you intentionally miss the posters point?

        The fact is the US pressured another government to take down a site that was LEGAL in the country it was in.
        • The US can't convince Iran to give up work on its nuclear program (using either incentives or threats). The US State Department whines about all sorts of things to no avail all the time, and the US proposes all sorts of motions in the UN General Assembly and Security Council that get nowhere. If the government of Sweden doesn't want to do as the US asks, what is the US going to do? The US is a paper tiger; from time to time, it is also a bogeyman brought up to stir up the people -- nothing more, nothing
        • It's no wonder America doesn't mind paying for 1/4 of the UN budget. Money well spent if it prevents decent intellectual property from being developed in other nations.
        • If copyright infringement and directly aiding it is legal in Sweden, then Sweden is in violation of the Berne Convention treaty.
        • The fact is the US pressured another government to take down a site that was LEGAL in the country it was in.

          The travesty of this situation is not what the US did, but what Swedenish politicians did (if early reports are to be believed). Many nations bitch to the US all the time about hosting web sites that are illegal and the US merrily ignores them. The US in turn gives China crap about the websites that they take down and China merrily ignores the US. Governments leaning on other governments to enforce
      • by liangzai ( 837960 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:34PM (#15459320) Homepage
        Copyright as we know it was invented in England, but has existed in many other countries, like China, throughout history.

        Let me requote from another thread (Thomas Jefferson):

        "It has been pretended by some, (and in England especially,) that inventors have a natural and exclusive right to their inventions, and not merely for their own lives, but inheritable to their heirs. But while it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all, it would be singular to admit a natural and even an hereditary right to inventors. It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance."
        • A wise man. He must be spinning in his grave. He's talking about patents but I suspect he would consider copyrights in the same vein. Today, in the country he helped found, copyrights are not only considered a natural right, they are inheritable and can even be assigned to non-corporeal entities. Modern copyrights (at least those assigned to non-corporeal entities) show every sign of being eternal as well. Singular indeed.
      • I do not find it a surprise that someone can be so wrong but I am surprised that someone that writes something that is so far from correct can be modded up to 5. The concepts of patents and copyright are older that the US and seeing as the US has historically been the haven for business built on other countries ideas your assertion is ridiculous. While you drink your Bud (a Czech copyright) and sit in front of your internet browser (a British invention) ranting on about how the US invents and owns all th
      • The US is supposed to pay 1/4 of the UN's expenses,

        "supposed to" is the keyword there. Last I checked, they were several years behind in payment. There was a time (I think during the late 90s) where the UN was in serious financial trouble due to the US outright refusal to pay their share.
    • by Tx ( 96709 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:23PM (#15459254) Journal
      As a Brit, I vote no to that. We've stuck by the united states through thick and thin. For stupid decision after stupid decision, we've had your back. As a result, the rest of Europe hates us. If the united states were removed from the UN and NATO, well, you might as well just hand our asses to the french and germans on a plate.

      So instead of cutting out on us, why don't you just elect a president that doesn't suck next time, 'kay?
      • by intnsred ( 199771 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:59PM (#15459455)
        ...why don't you just elect a president that doesn't suck next time, 'kay?

        You're making the wild assumption that the American people actually elected Bush in 2000 and 2004. (How soon we forget!)

        For simplicity's sake (!) we'll ignore US laws which bias our elections to favor only Republicans and Democrats. We'll also ignore that under the US Constitution the antiquated and undemocratic Electoral College selects the president and not the American people ('cause the American people clearly chose Gore in 2000). And, of course, we'll ignore that Corporate America funds our elections and politicians so effectively that corporations sometimes -- literally -- write laws that they then have their politicians enact.

        As a Brit I don't expect you to be familiar with such dirty details like that.

        But it was the BBC's own Greg Palast [] whose investigations proved that the 2000 and 2004 elections were blatantly rigged using a wide variety of techniques -- ground-breaking journalism confirmed by others much later.
        • For simplicity's sake (!) we'll ignore US laws which bias our elections to favor only Republicans and Democrats. I concur; I find that democracy has a tendency to represent the majority. We'll also ignore that under the US Constitution the antiquated and undemocratic Electoral College selects the president and not the American people. Yes! Our votes should be counted by a single central authority. An organisation incapable of error. And, of course, we'll ignore that Corporate America funds our elections
        • For simplicity's sake (!) we'll ignore US laws which bias our elections to favor only Republicans and Democrats. We'll also ignore that under the US Constitution the antiquated and undemocratic Electoral College selects the president and not the American people ('cause the American people clearly chose Gore in 2000). ... As a Brit I don't expect you to be familiar with such dirty details like that.
          In the British Parliamentary System (used in a lot more countries than you may think), someone can become the
          • Compared to this, 49% (probably the worst case scenario for what portion of the popular vote Bush got in either elections) doesn't seem all that bad.

            How many of those 49% voted strategically for Bush, rather than actually *wanted* him to become President (because they thought Gore was even worse)?

    • Good guy:
      Whatever happened to the "just say no" campaigns, maybe another coutry should pick em up and Just Say No to illegal requests from foreign gov'ts ;)

      Sounds like the whole "Mom said no, so i'll ask Dad" routinue and Dad bit :(

      Bad guy:
      Could there be stuff on there that shouldn't be if they host for others also? and will it bite them in the ass?
    • I've never been a big fan of US government policies and American attitudes relating to the rest of the world. But seriously, I think you're taking this a little too far. We live in a world of oppressive dictatorships and nasty republics like N. Korea, China, most of the middle east, half of Africa, Iran and yes,to a lesser extent the United States. However there shouldn't be any reason to be kicking any of them out of the UN, a place where such things should be discussed and resolved. Sure, the USA is evili
      • So I guess the question is, what do we, as the people of Earth, exactly do about it? The individual, and even larger groups of people trying to peacefully facilitate change have no chance against the vast resources of government and corporate entities.

        The vast, vast majority of people only want to live a happy, comfortable life without intimate intrusion from someone else's ideology and (possibly largely) differing beliefs. Everyone should still be able to Get Along.

        At the root of many of the problems

    • Usually, newspapers and letters to the editors go on here saying that "...we dont blame the American people, we blame the American government...". Considering that the American government is a democratic one (so much so that it thinks it right to "impose" its democratic vision to other countries) it is correct to blame the people as they are the ones who elected the governemnt. And those who didnt vote are to blame as well, because the government represents them and its their responsibility to elect the rig
  • Fallout (Score:5, Informative)

    by liangzai ( 837960 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:54PM (#15459097) Homepage
    The fallout from the Pirate Bay seizure is that the minister of justice (Thomas Bodstrom) has been accused of ordering the police to take action after pressure from the US government. Bodstrom, who is the initiator of the EU data retention directive, IP spoofing on Swedish main nodes, extended bugging laws etc., and also known as a proponent of a totalitarian big brother society, has been requested for constitutional hearings.

    Pirate Bay will reappear in Ukraine, Russia, The Netherlands and three other countries. People have been very generous with equipment and hosting as soon as they heard it was the Pirate Bay folks asking for assistance.

    The Swedish Police site,, was taken out for a day with a sustained DoS attack. An investigation has been started.

    The public is in favor of the Pirate Bay in numbers like 90-10 or so, and most are extremely critical of the action against the Pirate Bay, especially since the police used 50 police officers to seize two computer nerds and their legal representative. A whole slew of innocent operators were also having their machinery seized, in an unconstitutional manner.

    The action may have a real political effect, come the September elections.
    • "Pirate Bay will reappear in Ukraine, Russia, The Netherlands and three other countries."

      Warez sites are moving about to other countries, and some are even popping up on Freenet now []. I think anonymous p2p will be the next main phase.

      The first phase was napster (centralized in many respects), then second generation p2p was gnutella and emule, and now the third generation has Freenet [], I2P [], GNUnet [], Rodi [], AntsP2P [], Mute [], etc. Even if you're not interested in the issue the back and forth conflict between the
  • More on TPB (Score:5, Informative)

    by makak ( 861541 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:58PM (#15459117)
    The Ombudsman of Justice has decided to launch an investigation to determine if there were any wrongdoings in the raid, including whether the swedish government pressured the police to take action.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:01PM (#15459131)
    And that's how these things should be handled. Tim O'Reilly doesn't deserve an apology. The people with the fulltime lawyers need to learn that they can't send out threats and expect that mistakes are not made public. These actions have a tremendous chilling effect. Therefore any abuse must be brought to light. I can't believe Mr. O'Reilly thinks he deserves confidentiality after his lawyers sent an unjustified letter that could very well kill another man's business.
    • Jesus Christ! Can people NOT READ?! Please? Tim O'Reilly's lawyers were not involved in this whole fiasco. He wasn't even contactable during the whole mess (on a lake w/ no good cell service) and didn't think that sending a C&D was the way to go about handling it either. CMP is the company who owns the trademark and whose lawyers sent the C&D. Tom made it seem like O'Reilly did the whole thing--I think that is plenty of a reason to apologize.
  • Brilliant Move (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Distinguished Hero ( 618385 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:03PM (#15459135) Homepage
    The Swedish national police website has been taken offline by a denial of service attack which started Thursday night.

    Because nothing increases support for your cause like DoSing a police website...
  • I was pleasantly surprised to see GNOME running on that looks like they'll really be able to pull off what they want to do even with the laptop's limited hardware capabilities. It's amazing how much effort Negroponte is putting into thinking about the design...he's even correlating colors to emotions that they invoke...geez. He and his team are doing a good job, they've managed to create a laptop that looks much more attractive than the crap companies like Dell spew out, no wonder people want to
  • Wait... (Score:2, Funny)

    Do I need to be on Internet2 to use sites that are part of Web 2.0 or is it backwards compatible?
  • by HerrEkberg ( 971000 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:18PM (#15459225) Homepage
    It might also be worth to mention that by Swedish law it is highly illegal for a politician in the government to give orders to the police or other institution in specific matters such as this. It is called "ministerstyre" (minister's ruling?), and the law is in place as a means to stop corruption.
  • Pirates (Score:4, Funny)

    by d3matt ( 864260 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:19PM (#15459235) Homepage
    Dang-it... with the pirate bay shutdown, global warming is sure to pick up speed now.
  • by i_want_you_to_throw_ ( 559379 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:23PM (#15459255) Journal
    A US interest has acted abroad previously. This Wikipedia article [] details the war that Scientology waged against

    From the article
    In September 1996, an anonymous user posted the confidential writings of the Church of Scientology through the Penet remailer. The Church once again demanded that Julf turn over the identity of one of its users, claiming that the poster had infringed the Church's copyright on the confidential material. The Church was successful in finding the originating e-mail address of the posting before Penet remailed it, but it turned out to be another anonymous remailer: the nymserver, a more advanced and more secure remailer which didn't keep a mapping of e-mail addresses that could be subpoenad.

    Facing multiple criticism and attacks, and unable to guarantee the anonymity of Penet users, Julf shut down the remailer in September of 1996.

    Truly a chilling possibility.
  • I was halfway through downloading some stepmania [] songs when it cut out. What will I dance to now? :(

    Such moral dilemma; should I sit here and continue being screwed over, or should I go down to their level and sue them for interrupting my excercise schedule, and reducing my estimated lifespan by 5 years?

    • If you'd already started downloading, you shouldn't have a problem. BitTorrent uses the tracker to hook you up to other peers. If your download's already going, and you already have a list of peers, the tracker dying shouldn't affect you. Unless you disconnected from the torrent and reconnected, or all the peers decided to close their torrents too.
  • apparently, Kofi Annan broke the crank

    Ouch, I hope Kofi didn't need surgery for his crank!


    Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week, try the fish!
  • by From A Far Away Land ( 930780 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:43PM (#15459373) Homepage Journal had a story this week on the TV news too, where the MPAA is suing a young man in Vancouver for operating isoHunt. I guess they are stepping up the attacks on torrent sites.
  • Misnomer (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kortec ( 449574 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @08:58PM (#15459447) Homepage
    This is getting on my nerves: The RIAA and MPAA are not part the US Government. They hold no particular codified legislative, executive, or judiciary power, nor are they agencies a kin to the 3-letters (FBI, EPA, FDA, FCC, CIA, NSA, and so on).

    The fact is that they are lobbyist groups; simply petitioners to the US Government. Sadly, they are wealthy, numerous, and well connected petitioners, so they get preferential treatment, but neither of them is a government body any more than any group of citizens. They way they "win" their cases is by having enough money and fear tactics at their disposal to dodge court time and exploit holes in the American judiciary.
  • by cinnamon colbert ( 732724 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @09:24PM (#15459540) Journal
    u can go down 2 circuit city TODAY and get a decent laptop for 300 - 400 bucks; this means it costs about 150 - 250 or so to actually make the damm things, which means that if anyone cared, they could produce a 100$ laptop to day, rounding off the numbers for the real world.

    Apparently, of all the millions of wealthy people in the world, including all those in China and India and OPEC, not one cares enuf to step up to the plate, but has to have some publicty hound from MIT do it.

    I say if hte poor people of hte world are so ill served by their own leaders, screw em - better to buy rifles for the revolution
    • by MBCook ( 132727 ) <> on Friday June 02, 2006 @09:54PM (#15459663) Homepage
      Maybe you should spend more than $300 on your next computer, you don't seem to be able to type straight.

      If you were to follow the project (or just think about it for a few minutes) then you would realize the point of this thing. There is no Windows requirement. It doesn't have tons of moving parts (like a hard drive) or generate tons of heat (which requires a fan to cool) or have a 1 1/2 hour battery life. It is designed to be RUGGED, last a LONG TIME, and be VERY energy efficient.

      A $300 laptop you buy at Best Buy won't fit those criteria. It will break down easy. It will suck energy. You won't be able to run it by powering it with a foot pedal, it will need too much energy. It won't run well in sub-Saharan Africa due to the heat and the dust and sand and whatever. It doesn't weight just a little bit, it weighs 6-8 pounds. It doesn't have a easy cary handle.

      Yep, that $300 laptop you talk about would easily work.

    • say if hte poor people of hte world are so ill served by their own leaders, screw em - better to buy rifles for the revolution
      However, someone once said "The pen is mightier than the sword."
  • "At O'Reilly, we've even had to send a cease-and-desist letter once, to a company that was publishing technical books with the picture of an animal on the cover."

    Any animal? Even animals O'Reilly has never used in a book cover? My first reaction to this is that there's something very wrong about that. Trademark law has become a lot worse now that things like "trade dress" are considered trademarks. Makes me sick.
  • Dang, I feel like I just fell from the Moon. What is Pirate Bay and why do
    people care about it? Was it a web-site, a hosting company? I gather so far that
    it had something to do with the internet, and judging by the name it might have
    been a warez site or a warez-friendly host, but that's just a guess. Anyone care
    to enlighten me.
  • I love the parallels O'Reilly draws in his radar article. Wikipedia is trademarked by Wikipedia, Linux is trademarked by Linus, Mozilla is trademarked by the Mozilla Foundation, therefore it's ok for CMP to trademark Web 2.0. People generally don't have a problem with trademarks, people have a problem with abusive trademarks. ie, trademarking a term for the value of the term itself, not because your company is necessarily linked to that term. All that said, I'm not sure how Web 2.0 can be a valid trademark.
    • Web is an invalid trademark since it's already in common currency, so how can you stick a version number on the end of it and suddenly make it trademarkable?

      That's how lots of trademarks are made, actually, just take something that's common and mess with it a little: Target, General Motors, Chevron, Blu-Ray, Standard Oil, and so forth.
    • You probably could trademark "Bread 2.0" or "Pizza 2.0."

      For example if Pizza Hut came out with some new improvement similar to their stuffed crust thing of a few years ago, and called it "Pizza 2.0" they could trademark that and it would probably stick. Also, trademark is unlike patent, in that "prior art" doesn't generally count.

    • Ssshhhh!! I'm trying to trademark Web 3.0! ;)
  • by Anonymous Coward
    There are two demonstrations tomorrow (Swedish content) [] (Saturday, June 3; one in Stockholm at 15:00 and one in Gothenburg at 15:30. The location in Stockholm is Mynttorget, and in Gothenburg they're keeping the demonstration at Gustav Adolfs Torg.
  • by peope ( 584706 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @10:22PM (#15459789)
    Ok. Here is a crappy translation of the swedish article to english.

    The US government behind closing of site

    The US government was behind the raid against the filesharing network Pirate Bay yesterday, according to sources to the SVT news program Rapport.

    In april a delegation with members of the justice department and the police met up with american authorities who brought the issue up by request of the MPAA. The interest organisation of Hollywood.

    The justice department then requested the police and prosecutors to act. When they replied that the legal issues where unclear the minister of justice's secretary of state contacted the state prosecutor and the state chief of police who in turn ordered action.

    Minister rule
    The Pirate Bay has openly challenged right-holders within the film and music industry. Nevertheless many in the internet society are surprised of the actions of the swedish authorities.

    This is what happened according to sources. The american interest organisation MPAA contacted the gorvernment in the white house. The american department of foreign affairs then contacted the swedish department of foreign affairs and demanded the issue with Pirate bay be solved.

    According to the source the prosecutor and the police was ordered to act and describes the actions of the secretary of state as minister rule.
  • CMP's trademark (#78322306) is only for two categories, and they're both related to conferences. So CMP has the exclusive right to have conferences called "Web 2.0". But if you want to release software that's "Web 2.0 ready", for example, you should be OK. CMP tried to make broader claims, got shot down by the USPTO, and had to settle for a relatively narrow trademark. You can get all this from the USPTO web site [], although it's hard to link to their search engine results.
  • by Dave21212 ( 256924 ) <> on Saturday June 03, 2006 @12:18AM (#15460173) Homepage Journal

    Ok, how about every just start calling these things Web 2.1 an we'll be done with it already...

interlard - vt., to intersperse; diversify -- Webster's New World Dictionary Of The American Language