Illumio to Launch Social Network Advice Software 132
hdtv writes "The New York Times is reporting that Palo Alto-based Illumio will soon try to figure out the experts among your social network with a new online service." From the article: "Illumio is not a search engine, like Google or Yahoo. The system works by transparently distributing a request for information on questions like "Who knows John Smith?" and "Are Nikon digital cameras better than Olympus?" to the computers in a network of users. The questions can then be answered locally based on a novel reverse auction system that Illumio uses to determine who the experts are."
Hmmm ... (Score:5, Funny)
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My first question (Score:5, Funny)
*ducks*
Re:My first question (Score:1)
the answer (Score:2, Funny)
Lets ask google! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Lets ask google! (Score:2)
Opinions anyone... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2, Interesting)
Of course, a high-level of collus
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2, Insightful)
This assesses consensus, not correctness. The two are often at odds with each other.
As Thoreau noted a man more correct than his neighbors already constitutes a majority of one.
I am always suspicious of those product review sites.
And this, I am afraid, is already the optimum solution to the problem.
KFG
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2)
Sounds like the Bose speakers flamewars. The general consensus among the entire population is that they are great speakers, but the consensus among audio engineers is that they are garbage.
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:3, Insightful)
He'll be out in left field all by himself, even though his opinion is the most correct.
Trust systems are really only valuable in finding average solutions to average problems. In unique situations requiring real expertise they will tend to reject the true experts right along with the clueless wonders.
KFG
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2)
Is this not the same problem that PageRank faces? From their own description [google.com]:
"PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value."
In fact, Wikipedia is also subject to the same forces, as is the peer-review process of most scientific journals and the concept of democracy.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I'm scared you are right.
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2)
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It could be argued that Wikipedia has demonstrated the futility of this concept. Everyone thinks they are an expert, when in fact, the experts left this town a long time ago.
And were told not to come back.
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:1)
If you want a techie's perspective on some hardware, you could see if he/she has writ
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2, Insightful)
Seriously though, you don't 'introduce fakesters into a social circle', you introduce them to a system. What goes for someone considered an expert isn't obligatory to work for you, especially where usability/design/fashion-trend issues are concerned. If you have a working system that allows you to rate how peoples' opinions conicide with yours, and a hiscore table from among your friends of sorts, it's all that it takes to be at leas
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2)
Oh, and if properly implemented, brands fighting holy wars could probably cancel each other out.
I don't think you could implement a system in such a way. The important ratio isn't Brand A Promoters to Brand B Promoters; the important ratio is Brand Promoters to Valid Opinions. If the ratio is too much in favour of brand promoters then you'll either get two sets of results from your queries which are just extreme contradictions or you will get a smeared out average that tells you nothing because the mino
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Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:2, Informative)
I don't know whether it will work, but the holy grail is to identify a few highly influential people who can be the focus of marketers. It's in no company's interest to mis-identify the "experts", because they all need to find them.
A focus group is just
Re:Opinions anyone... (Score:1)
Sounds promising. (Score:3, Insightful)
Otherwise, *rubs hands in anticipation*
Re:Sounds promising. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sounds promising. (Score:4, Insightful)
Say, you need a new mobile phone and have some twenty or something friends in a social circle whose opinion you value. You decide you want to start with a brand first. You do some preliminary research and end up with say Nokia and Motorola. From that point, you can proceed no further since you really haven't a clue.. or maybe torn for options.. or maybe behind the trend and want to keep up.. doesn't matter. You want opinions of the people you know.. so now here's what you supposedly do in such a system:
You issue a 'call for opinions', type your question and nokia on the left and motorola on the right. Your friends hopefully indicate their opinions, maybe attach some notes why they think so and what models they recommend. You have your answers and make your decision. Now you have to select a model, you follow the same routine, probably in more than one step, and somehow end up with a conclusion. You now go and buy the phone and after using it some time you can issue some feedback by rating how helpful and truthful the friends' tips were.
Now if your friends do the same, and their friends etc. and a system that does some magic with the ratings is in place. There you can have a weighted rating of how useful or not opinions of the people you know to you are. With the advantages of the other networking, and public queries/answers you would hopefully then be able to fine tune your preferences in such a way so that you would be taking advice from the people you feel you trust the most.
From a commercial POV, this really seems to be a goldmine, if implemented properly, that is. Given that in general some personal information on you is availiable to the owners of such a system, Nokia and Motorola would kill for such information as who buys their phones and what models and possibly attached feedback.
Well let's see anyway. Oh, and somebody else in the comments has the link to the site.
Re:Sounds promising. (Score:2)
So now what it's going to do is pick a restaurant, email it to the lunch group, th
Re:Sounds promising. (Score:1)
New way to create a blacklist (Score:4, Funny)
Re:New way to create a blacklist (Score:1)
Re:MOD PARENT +1 Opinionated Blowhard (Score:2)
How does it sort the posers from the gurus? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure they are trying to develop something more commercial, perhaps to be used in large organizations, but the article begins badly to present it that way, and isn't really clear.
Re:How does it sort the posers from the gurus? (Score:5, Insightful)
As to commercial possibilities, the capability to know who really your TA is (sex/age/background/whatnot) is priceless, and the questions kind of reveal it. Looks like they could hit a goldmine if done 'properly': it's much like polls, but with more or less honest answers and done voluntarily!
Re:How does it sort the posers from the gurus? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:How does it sort the posers from the gurus? (Score:1)
Sounds like Expert Exchange... (Score:1)
Re:How does it sort the posers from the gurus? (Score:1)
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"Who is..." (Score:2, Funny)
Who cares who John Smith is, I want to know "Who is John Galt?"
Re:"Who is..." (Score:2)
Re:"Who is..." (Score:3, Informative)
Re:"Who is..." (Score:3, Funny)
Uhh, I mean, fourteen people at the CATO institute and another seven on #objectivism in IRC.
Re:"Who is..." (Score:1)
Well, wait...
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Ironic timing for this question (Score:2)
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117942127?cs=1&
Another odd note... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Another odd note... (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah. Right. mp3s and pr0n?
Re:Another odd note... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Well, with logic like that, I can see why they wouldn't care about the opinions of people that don't use Windows. It's never that they design something to work with the most popular OS on the planet. It's always some conspiracy to punish those that are better than everyone else.
Re:Another odd note... (Score:2)
You're probably going to get a flamebait mod for that, but I have to applaud anyway. Insightful comment.
(I'm a dedicate linux user--but the attitudes of so many people particularly here on /. is just way too much.)
Re:Another odd note... (Score:2)
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How do I make software that's independent of the platform it runs on? Make it with Java or something that people complain about? "Pure" HTML? What if HTML isn't capable of the features and functions I want? Try some non-standard things? I either have to leave it with fewer features than I want, or I have to take OS into consideration (and, since there exists no one browser that runs on everything, anything that is browser specific at all *is* OS specific, even if that e
Re:Another odd note... (Score:3, Insightful)
Gotta' start somewhere, and the broadest base isn't a bad place. I'm sure other operating systems will be added if this thing proves viable. There's certainly no conspiracy against certain users of other systems, just good old home-grown marketing.
Re:Another odd note... (Score:3, Insightful)
Especially if you're looking for an expert on one of these OSs.
Re:Another odd note... (Score:2)
Don't flatter yourself. While network experts may be likely to use a non-Windows OS, a plenty of other expert types (medical, phylosophical, cameras, movies, music, appliances etc.) actually use Windows.
Actually 90% of computer users do. Thus negating the argument about "dramatical decrease" in the network size.
I bet if they have su
Re:Another odd note...Humble, dead at 84. (Score:1)
Hum - seems to require clarifying -
I thought (as a Linux user) that people who used these OS's did so to avoid daily contact with shit. If this is indeed the case, what is exactly the complaint here ?Re:Another odd note... (Score:2)
I don't know about anyone else, but I tend to keep my personal interests and my work interests separate.
Eat shit (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Eat shit (Score:5, Insightful)
This thing will enforce the power of urban legends, myths and other false but popular memes, people opposing them will be a minority.
"What is more secure, Windows or Linux"?
And you get 1000 votes for "Windows" from 10% of Windows users of the service who bother to answer so, and 100 votes for "Linux" from nearly 70% of Linux users who will take time to answer plus another 2% of Windows users who know better.
And this will favour positive answers for questions with bias on your interests.
Say, you're an emo. You have your disk full of emo mp3s and dark poetry. And like every emo, you ponder suicide. So just to make the final decision, you type "Should I commit suicide?" and your question goes out to different people. But the most answers come from people who too have lots of emo mp3s and dark poetry on disks, simply, other emos. And you can guess the answers, "If I had enough guts, I would do it." "Yes, darkness, finally", "End your life, I'll envy you." Normal non-emo people don't keep that kind of crap on their disks and their advices to just drop that dark shit and get a life will get dropped by the system as not matching your interests...
Re:Eat shit (Score:2, Funny)
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Your example clearly illustrates that this selectivity works, because if we choose our circle by one or few criteria, but there are so many other dimensions those people are different from you, that makes it quite far from being boring. And of course, if we choose our circle by multitude of criteria, then definitely boredom argument does not apply.
Re:Eat shit (Score:2)
Internet vs. Real Life (Score:2)
Exactly how diverse is your interaction in this "real life" thing? Let me see, family, work, church, club, is that all? Have you ever tried to start a random conversation with a stranger in the street? In average, how many new people do you get to know in one week?
What's so special about the interne
Re:Internet vs. Real Life (Score:2)
Re:Eat shit (Score:2)
If you have no goal or purpose, then meeting random people is a great way to be introduced to new ideas and perspectives. But if you do have a goal or purpose, then you are simply losing focus and wasting time by being a dilettante.
LS
Re:Eat shit (Score:1)
Noticed this :-
Hell of a question ! Sky-divers, obviously !
Also noticed this :-
Re:Eat shit (Score:2)
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Re:Eat shit (Score:3, Insightful)
That's a load. Seriously if you lack the imagination to go out and research subjects
How strong is the anonymity protection? (Score:2)
...because I would like to find out who the experts are and then DDoS them. I'm tired of people knowing more than me...
A new-economy zombie (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:A new-economy zombie (Score:2)
When you're in business to sell or make money from software, it's not about doing something new, it's about doing something profitable. Do I give a hoot about stuff like this? No...but that just means I'm not the target audience. User-generated content and buzzwords seems to have worked for MySpace, with a 500 million dollar purchase price.
The idea might
URL to the site (Score:5, Informative)
URL: http://www.illumio.com/web/home.jsp [illumio.com]
It is still not launched and all you can do is register for their early release program. Looks like they are generating hype by all the means they can utilize including posting on the slashdot.
What about spammers? (Score:3, Insightful)
reminds me of the Usenet Oracle (Score:5, Interesting)
I'll go for it if... (Score:2)
Re:I'll go for it if... (Score:1)
Yet another? (Score:2)
Or are the founder(s) still working on step 2?
About 'experts' (Score:1)
Without mentioning that these "experts" can be from competitative company and tell you not to buy either one. Instead they tell you to buy from them...
Think about it.
Teh Ultimate Expert Filter Test (Score:3, Funny)
In our Computing classes, we were taught that a system should also be fed garbage data to see how well it really coped.
Now, have any of you around here heard of a guy called John C. Dvorak?
The Dark Side of Social Networking (Score:1)
"The collaboration space is big and busy," said David L. Gilmour, president and chief executive of Tacit.
Where have I heard this name [davidgilmour.com] before...?
Re:The Dark Side of Social Networking (Score:2)
Great way to spread disinformation (Score:3, Interesting)
Want the answer for "Is there WMDs in Iraq" to be "yes"? Just get enough "experts" saying so.
Want the answer for "Do most scientists thing Global Warming is real?" to be "No", get enough "experts" to say so.
"Are violent video games linked to kids murdering people?" The gut answer is "yes", and I'll bet that's what the expert reply will be.
The list can go on and on. When you live in a society where there are only two sides "your side" and the "wrong side", people will defend their believes to the bitter end. They will spend vast amounts of time obfusticating the truth, giving the perception that the general concensus is unknown or even in their favor.
You only have to SOUND like you know what you are talking about, and most people will think of you as an expert. Especially if their views match your gut feeling.
I'm very skeptical it will work, but I look forward to playing with the service (and of course to make sure my side, the right side "wins"!
Who wants to be a millionaire? (Score:1)
Pose your question to the general public (the methodology for selecting 'experts' seems fishy), and those who stumble upon the question will give their "opinions". The correct answer is the one that is statistically the most popular among the responses.
Re:But isn't this what Google does? (Score:1)
Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't you just described the purpose of Google's PR algorithm?
The correct answer [top result] is the one that is statistically the most popular among the responses [links/anchor text found].
In other words, I fail to see what makes this system unique.
Feels like it is 1999 .... (Score:2)
We've even got soft pastels, an allergy to the upper case, rounded corners and even a "team blog". "Web I" + "Web II" in giant colorful stickly ball of happy speak. They even manage to work in "Google" on the inside.
Ah ... nothing like the way an Areon chair molds
Sounds like factland (Score:2)
Consume & Conform (Score:2)
Also, to me this service sounds a bit like product research we already get annoyed with via telephone marketing polls, ick, no thanks!
Internet Oracle (Score:1)
If I ask the woodchuck question or fail to grovel, will I get lashed with a wet noodle?
Re:Internet Oracle (Score:1)
I noticed this bit :
and I failed utterly to understand how anyone can attain this level of incomprehension regarding the ways of the world.
The real questions are, of course,
And the answers are obvious
No tags yet? (Score:2)
Not even worth the effort for a "feh".
Re:No tags yet? (Score:1)
Could work, certainly has been predicted before... (Score:1)
I think this sort of idea has been around a long time in one form or another. Theodore Sturgeon was fond of writing about gestalt humanity ("The Cosmic Rape" aka "To Marry Medusa", "More Than Human", various other short stories). In his books the mechanism for gestalt was generally psychic or otherwise ethereal. B
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