Managing a Huge Music Collection? 273
subkid asks: "I've tried several different solutions to manage my music collection; iTunes, WinAmp playlists, visual MP3, and so forth. but none satisfy my idea of what I want. I have many thousand files and things are getting a bit out of hand. I like the functionality of iTunes but not the memory it uses. WinAmp uses less but makes finding the song I want is even harder. Things like musicbrainz.org help for making sure the songs are tagged properly but is there an all-in-one solution? How do you manage your large collection?"
Great... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great... (Score:2)
Mine's the biggest!
Now, what were we talking about?
Re:Great... (Score:2)
Works great with large collections.
Maybe archaic but... (Score:2, Insightful)
What I have is a root music folder, in which there are 4 folders, A-F, G-L, M-R, S-Z. In each of those is each Artist. If I have a full album from an artist, then a folder with album name is in there. Otherwise, the tracks are simply dropped into the artist's folder.
That makes finding music easy, and I don't need to have a player open to browse. I also have around 20
Re:Maybe archaic but... (Score:2)
Re:Maybe archaic but... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Maybe archaic but... (Score:3, Interesting)
Whenever it's doing
anything
That is made of Fail and More Fail.
Re:Maybe archaic but... (Score:4, Informative)
However, the 5.2 version breaks the 5.1+ml_ipod plugin combination's ability to *rip* music off of ipod onto your computer.
Re:Maybe archaic but... (Score:3, Informative)
not archaic (Score:2)
root music directory, then subdirs like rock, soundtracks, synth, relaxing, fun, strange shit and unsorted.
then each of these subdirs has subdirs itself - artist names. each artist has subdirs - album names.
very easy actually. i browse the subdirs with total/midnight/norton commander anyway.
Re:Maybe archaic but... (Score:3, Insightful)
one word (Score:5, Insightful)
Three words (Score:2)
Re:Three words (Score:2)
Re:one command (Score:2, Funny)
Well, you won't have any more problems with the music collection, and you can also be 100% sure that you don't have anything unlicensed!
Re:one word (Score:2)
I rarely can get through a whole day without having one of these happening, so I usually just go back to mpg123.
There's also some annoyances with the UI; for example, you can't brow
Re:Would you care to elaborate? (Score:3, Informative)
my method (Score:5, Insightful)
If i have more than 5 songs from one artist they get there own folder
if ive got complete CDs from an artist, each album gets a folder within the artist's folder
less than 5 songs, artists are sorted by name into and "A" folder or a "B" folder.
ive been using this system for 8 years and has worked out well for me.
with winamp there is an option in the context which can add the contents of a folder to a playlist. This gets around having the create them in winamp, than having to do something with those files.
Foobar! (Score:5, Informative)
I'd definitely suggest at least checking it out.
Just like a filing cabinet... (Score:4, Insightful)
Each genre is stored in a subfolder.
Each album is stored in a subfolder depending on the month that I obtained it.
To find a particular song/album I simply issue the find command. For further info man find
Its just like a filing cabinet... oh wait, thats what a directory structure is...
Re:Just like a filing cabinet... (Score:2)
Winamp (Score:3, Insightful)
I wish amoroK [kde.org] could be ported to windows (maybe a summer project, we'll see). It uses either MySQL or PostgreSQL for very fast response, has a very intuitive interface (better than iTunes, IMHO), and very stable for an open source application. It ties in to Last.FM and provides similar features locally, making it hands down the best for managing large music collections. Downside, it's UNIX only.
Not saying anything is wrong with UNIX or Linux, but lets face it.. Windows and Mac OS X rule the desktop. Oh, and FWIW, iTunes on Mac OS X is *much* more responsive than iTunes on Windows with the same media library.
Let the flames commence
Re:Winamp (Score:2)
amaroK will be ported to Windows once the KDE libraries have been ported to Win32.
amaroK isn't perfect, however. It does crash/hang a lot. Barring that, it is the best music player out there. I have roughly 10,000 songs in my collection, and that does make amaroK a bit of a memory hog. Using MySQL for a database is roughly equivalent for memory usage, and I didn't notice a difference in speed for it, either.
Re:Winamp (Score:2)
Re:Winamp (Score:2)
Re:Winamp (Score:2)
I've come to use... (Score:5, Informative)
It is basically WinAmp with more database functions and so forth... give it a whirl. It's great for tagging (uses Amazon and even fetches album pics) and has iPod support. The down side is that some features aren't unlocked until it is paid for (cracked, serial'd, etc).
Supports most WinAmp plug-ins too!
Re:I've come to use... (Score:2)
I'm not just talking about brushed metal theme. If you look at their features page (I've not downloaded it and the proper version - Gold - costs money, and iTunes comes free with my iPod, I mean free for everyone), you'll see these items:
- Party Mode & Auto-DJ
- Auto Renamer / File Organizer
- Find Duplicate Tracks and Missing Tags
- Advanced Searches and AutoP
Smart playlists (Score:2, Insightful)
I use iTunes. In one big folder, I move full albums that are in one folder, then I drag em in iTunes in order to make them have one playlist matching to each album, then I listen to each song of the album I just added, and when there's a song I like, I drag it on a playlist, that we'll call "~To Take", and then I create another list nammed
iTunes... (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're looking for a script to display your iTunes xml db feel free to abuse my server and grab a php for displaying it @ http://ehpg.net/~gmr/library.php [ehpg.net] (Source at http://ehpg.net/~gmr/library.phps [ehpg.net]) This will take a bit to load and is a very large page.
Re:iTunes... (Score:2)
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Re:iTunes... (Score:2)
Then you probably need more memory! As he said, memory is cheap.
Re:iTunes... (Score:2)
Contrast to foobar2000, which seems to have no seek time at all on a playlist of 4000 items. It also has easy tag editing, and judging from other posts here, it scales up as well.
Re:iTunes... (Score:4, Informative)
However, I have found the Windows version of iTunes to be sluggish, even on newer machines.
Re:iTunes... (Score:2, Informative)
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Re: No Name, No Slogan (Score:2)
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Slim Devices Squeezebox and Slimserver (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Slim Devices Squeezebox and Slimserver (Score:3, Interesting)
Nothing else needed. I don't have a CD or DVD player left in the house (apart from the ones in my PC's).
Outside of the house we use an iRiver H40 and an H10.
X.
Re:Slim Devices Squeezebox and Slimserver (Score:2)
While I love the SqueezeBox, I find the slimserver's (web-based) UI to be slow, clumsy, and frustrating. It takes forever to make a decent sized playlist. Maybe I just haven't learned how to use it properly.
slimserver has also, until recently, been plagued by all sorts of weird bugs. They just released 6.2.2 which seems to have most of the problems fixed that I was running into; just in time too, I was getting ready to chuck the whole thing and go back to Winam
The dinosaur consensus (Score:5, Funny)
You know those plastic crates the dairy industry uses? There's a reason God saw to it that they're just the right size for phonograph albums.
Re:The dinosaur consensus (Score:2)
Milkcrates and spiral notebook (Score:2)
What I do. (Score:2)
What I do is basically I am completely nazi-ish about how my music is named, and tagged. Every single piece of music that goes into my collection is first passed through musicbrainz, and then sorted into the correct folder. The root directory is called Audio. From there, it goes into category, such as Classic Rock, Metal, etc. After that, it's sorte
Sounds like a windows guy (Score:2)
One word. (Score:2, Redundant)
musikCube (Score:2, Insightful)
I've come to like musikCube [sourceforge.net] for a Windows player and indexer. It finds files automatically if you give it the directory and, if the files are tagged correctly, you get a decent search it seems. I don't have that much music ripped to my computer, though, so I don't know how it handles larger collections for sure, but it looks promising. (The support for FLAC is what made me download it in the first place.)
I would like to set up a hard drive on my dedicated Linux box with my entire music collection in FLA
Re:musikCube (Score:2)
Foobar (Score:2)
E:\mp3s\artist - album - year\tracknum. title.mp3 preferably, but anything that would fly on a scene site is good enough.
Make sure its all tagged properly and get a good format string and you're good to go.
How I do it... (Score:3, Informative)
I have a separate drive for my music, then on that drive are three folders - Distributable, for stuff that I can put on the FTP server (anime OSTs, video game OSTs, and stuff that I can legally distribute); Nondistributable, for stuff the RIAA would sue my ass off if I ever traded; and Incoming, for stuff that's torrenting and hasn't gotten a positive ratio yet.
Inside each folder, the songs are sorted by series/artist/title at the second layer, then album as the third, then disc as the fourth. All the while, I'm using folders, and actual file management, as this _is_ for a FTP server.
If you want to see a folder tree, take a look at this (warning, it's a 2.4MB text file, but it's an inventory of every song in the Distributable folder tree):
http://www.tuxedojack.com/publiclist.txt [tuxedojack.com]
Simple and clean, and it's worked for me since 1997.
Thanks for the ideas, guys (Score:5, Informative)
At The Internet Archive we have about 120,000 audio [archive.org] and live music [archive.org] shows, occupying about 53TB of disk space. We're always trying to think of new and better ways to present it to our users.
I'm going to look at all the solutions people have suggested here and try to glean some usability tips which might be implementable on top of our existing interface. Please keep up the good suggestions!
-- TTK
Re:Thanks for the ideas, guys (Score:2)
foobar2000 (Score:5, Informative)
Plus foobar2000 is the first player I have found that has an interface that looks like all of my other programs. All of the other media players look like some amateur art student trying to reinvent a UI (and failing miserably). foobar2000 has a tabbed interface with separate playlists in each tab which is nice. I like the sparse interface. Some people hate it, although if you are willing to invest the time there are a lot of ways to customize it to make it look much nicer. foobar2000 is nice and fast too, at least until you try to seek through a MP3.
I keep my files on my Linux server. I have a raid array with a LVM volume called music with MP3 subdir (as opposed to other subdirs like C64-SID and AmigaMods). I then have the following broad directories:
LargeSets is for DJ Mixes and other MP3s that are over an hour long. If I have more than two items from a DJ or artist I create folder with their name and put the files in there.
All of the other directories have a subdir and file structure of artist/albumyear-albumname/nn_trackname where nn is the tack number. I find this method to be easy for me to drag and drop music into a playlist to play. I never have gotten used to the iTunes method of importing everything that you have.
One thing that I am going to focus on over the next several months is to sort albums and artists out by more broad genres as I have already done. Eventually I will go back through all of my songs and set the genre for each song. Right now I'm giving each album the same genre rather than tagging each song with the genre that that specific song falls into.
Don't forget to mention foobar2000's Columns UI (Score:5, Informative)
The Columns UI is enabled by selecting the "Foobar2000" menu, then selecting "Preferences," then "Display," then changing "User interface module" from "Default User Interface" to "Columns UI." I think it should be easier to find the Columns UI, but I don't want to complain too much about a great app with so many great customization options.
Here's an example of what Columns UI can look with a few more customizations:
Re:Don't forget to mention foobar2000's Columns UI (Score:2)
The solution? (Score:2)
yPlay is a freeware MP3, Ogg*, WMA, WAV, FLAC* and Midi player with multiple playlists and a light, clean interface. But why did I write it when there are other free mp3 and ogg music playing software programs out there already?
First, I find too many music players have tiny, ambiguous controls and overly complicated menu structures. I want computer programs to look like computer programs so I can quickly work out how to use them. If I want something that looks like a piece of hardware, I'll buy
Genre Issues (Score:2)
I wrote this over on last.fm, and it has more to do with with CDs than digital stuff, but it's just some thoughts on how to sort my own collection. Might as well paste it in here.
Only solution: Amarok (Score:5, Informative)
With the ability to connect to an MySQL DB (or it will use its own internal SQLlite if you don't have MySQL to connect to) it keeps track of ALL of you music information (including coverart and ID3Tags).
This is the best tool for music collections you will ever use.
Smart-Playlists
Score-based tracking of your music
full support for streaming.
"similar songs" suggestions
Music Brainz tagging support
and a metric ass-load of 3rd party scripts.
Version 1.4 is rock solid. I have converted several friends to using Linux strictly based on how powerfull Amarok is.
http://amarok.kde.org/ [kde.org]
You won't ever need anything else.
Alternate approach, your mileage may vary (Score:2)
I pay $10/mo. and I have access to my music anywhere I have a net connection. There are many pros/cons to doing this, but here's why *I* do it:
1. I use 3 different computers a day. My desktop, my laptop, and my work computer. In the olden days, I used to have a multi-gig collection of music, but this became difficult to sync up. If I got something new on the d
Hmmm... (Score:2)
I use iTunes, on an old MDD G4 with 768mb ram. Runs just fine, and feeds our various iPods just fine. I try to manage organizational matters as I add new stuff, because otherwise it's just too big a chore.
Yes, I know it's a lot of music. Hey, some people smoke, I buy music.
M-
LWN Review and the Free Media Revolution. (Score:4, Interesting)
There's a revolution in content going on. Between Amarok and the Internet Archive [archive.org], free canned music has never been easier or richer. There's already good collaboration with other free efforts like Wikipedia, I'm looking forward to more to take mass culture back from RIAA flunkies. The non free players, hobbled with DRM, will never match the performance of the free players. This alone is sufficient incentive for people to migrate to free platforms. The whole package is greater than the sum of it's parts.
Re:LWN Review and the Free Media Revolution. (Score:2)
We were wondering if you're going to get around to replying to this any time soon. Or any of the other messages currently in your posting history marked as troll.
No, I don't bother to follow your silly little links or mod bombing. Go get an IT job, a life or something useful.
There is only one way (Score:3, Funny)
rob: "no."
dick: "not alphabetical."
rob: "nope."
dick: "what?"
rob: "autobiographical."
dick: "no fucking way!"
rob: "yep! i can tell you how i got from deep purple to howling wolf in just 25 moves."
dick: "oh my god!"
rob: "and, if i wanted to find the song "landslide" by fleetwood mac i have to remember that i bought it for someone in the fall of 1983 pile but i didn't give it to them for personal reasons."
dick: "that sounds
rob: "comforting."
dick: "yes."
rob: "it is."
RhythmBox (Score:2)
Seems decent enough to catalogue everything from ID2/ID3 in MP3.
Searchable.
Winamp search hard? (Score:2)
My Solution (Score:2)
To Actually play the music, I use Winamp. I have Winamp Media Library scan my music drive eve
For Linux... (Score:2)
Robert
Lots of ways (Score:2)
For Linux/BSD, there are quite a few choices. AmaroK or JuK are the obvious one for KDE, and usually included in most distros. If you prefer Gtk applications, the best one out there is probably Quod Libet [sacredchao.net] (I would not recommend Rhythmbox as it used to be rather slow and unstable). In the console, there's cmus [dynserv.net] for an iTunes-like n
Tag&Rename (Score:2)
WinAMP has a good music library that makes finding what you want quite easy. The only problem is that it does not support Unicode, so no Japanese track names.
iTunes has good features for managing your files - it can automatically do the directory structure but lacks support for anything other th
10k songs, iTunes (Score:2)
When I add large collections of new music (like from www.legaltorrents.com) I prepend the artist's name with a three-digit identifier. In the case of Legaltorrents, there are archives from record labels like 'Monotonik' and 'Kikapu'. The 'Monotonik' bands get 'mtk:' before their names, the 'Kikapu' artists get 'kpu:' and so on. That way they are nicely grouped UI-wise. And when they appear in the Party Shuffle I know directly where the
A combination of hardware and software does it (Score:2)
There are different things to make it happen.
First - you need to properly fill all MP3 tags. The less an MP3 is tagged, the less it is searchable...
Secondly - I don't want to have to play music via my PC and soundcard when I'm at home. More - at home, my PC is not the center of at
Madman (Score:2)
my soln (Score:2)
Everything's in \Music. \Music has no files, only directories. Most of these are band names (e.g. \Music\Built to Spill) or compilation titles (e.g. \Music\Wedding Crashers). I have some genre titles and decades for assorted songs/singles (e.g. \Music\80s, \Music\Techno, \Music\Jazz) but I haven't fully come to a decision on what to do about those, yet, in this broader framework.
In the individual directories under \Music I have all albums named in the format Art
Several suggestions... (Score:2)
However, after using both for a period, I switched back to iTunes because it just works all-around better, and with the Multi-Plugin [osx-e.com] you can set it up with a foobar passthrough and through some mysterious setting drastically reduce the memory usage when it'
a better idea... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:a better idea... (Score:2)
Re:a better idea... (Score:2)
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Re:a better idea... (Score:2)
Try again, Slappy.
Re:a better idea... (Score:2, Informative)
Try again, Slappy.
Allofmp3.com has a license to sell music in Russia. Importing (most of) this music to the US is not legal. The same goes for many other developed countries.
Realistically, you don't have to worry about landing in jail, or even about exorbitant fines. In the US, the RIAA basically goes after people who redistribute RIAA-owned music without proper license (a description which fits many p2p users), because those are the people who can incur
Re:a better idea... (Score:2)
You are right, but missing the point. Bringing music into your country for personal use is not "importing". Downloading music from allofmp3.com and then selling it on would be importing and therefore illegal (even if you don't keep a copy for yourself). Actually, flying to London, buying 100 CDs in a record store at full UK price, flying to New Yor
Re:a better idea... (Score:4, Insightful)
That is usually called wishful thinking.
Almost all CDs today come with some form of ant-ripping technology.
OK, that was probably anti-ripping - myself, I wouldn't much care for ripping ants, whether using CDs or not. But nevermind that - you might as well have dropped 'almost', as all CDs come with a copyright notice and in some people's mind that in itself should make ripping illegal, right? Well, let's see
By admitting that you have "ripped" your CDs, you are admitting guilt to breaking the DMCA laws.
Implicit assumptions: an existing DMCA law and either no Fair Use laws or precedents of the DMCA-like laws trumping Fair Use. Let me assure you, frient, you're on VERY shaky ground here. You might also not be aware that some countries allow by law one copy for non-commercial use (private copy/fair use/backup copy, etc.) so your sweeping assertion is clearly wrong in those cases.
In the end, you come off sounding suspiciously like a RIAA troll. There are still legal exceptions to the author's rights, no matter how much the entertainment industry would wish otherwise. Please take your FUD elsewhere.
Re:a better idea... (Score:2)
If this actually got taken to court it would probably come down to whose lawyers have the sharpest teeth, but these things usually do. And you
Re:a better idea... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:a better idea... (Score:4, Insightful)
OK, so to restate my points: first, there is no DMCA case in ripping CDDA tracks off a conforming audio CD - the proper argument here is copyright, not DMCA; second, not all countries have DMCA equivalents, so saying DMCA breach == ilegal is only true in some particular jurisdictions (hence false as an all-encompassing statement)
Anyway, concerning your encrypted backup argument, I have some doubts that it would work in a technical enough court. The case is, while I can certainly make a backup of the encrypted content, DVD writers will not allow me to restore it to a perfect equivalent of the original, since I cannot write back the disk key. Thus my 'backup' copy is all but useless. If I am legally entitled to make personal backups under some fair-use exception in the local copyright law, then the backup should better be restoreable, which only leaves unencrypted backups.
Re:a better idea... (Score:2)
Actually, that's not true. CDs have a "copy inhibit bit", much like the proposed broadcast flag. Almost all commercial CDs have the "no copies" bit set, in fact you have to talk to duplicators to persuade them to do anything else.
The difference is that no CD drive in a computer obeys the copy protection restrictions which are part of the CD standards; whereas most DVD drives in computers obey t
Re:a better idea... (Score:3, Informative)
Right. SCMS. Which is supposed to forbid copying a copy, not an original. Ripping/copying original disks is still technically legal (remember, SCMS it's supposed to say 'original, copy allowed')
Re:a better idea... (Score:5, Informative)
Specifically, under section 1201 [loc.gov], subsection c, you will find this text:
The really atrocious thing about the DMCA (IMHO) is that while it allows users to all their fair use defenses that are provided in normal copyright law (including reverse engineering for interoperability, ripping media you purchased legally for personal use, etc.), it outlaws the distribution (and manufacture, which may or not be the creation) of tools which facilitate such actions. We're being fundamentally dishonest with ourselves: we allow people do engage in certain activities, but disallow the distribution of tools that make it feasible for common users.
This, for example, is what makes certain Linux distros have to use offshore (or volunteer run) servers for programs like dvdcsslib, which is used in lots of programs like Xine and Mplayer. It forces distributions like Fedora and Suse to rely on 3rd party servers like livna.org and pacman to host mplayer RPMs.
Re:What about something for Mac besides iTunes? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Windows Media Player (Score:2, Interesting)
I HATED iTunes at first, and went to winamp. When I bought an iPod, my tune changed pretty quickly (ark ark). Just give it a chance.
It's very good.
Re:Folders (Score:3, Interesting)
I also like to use mpd (Music Player Daemon) with mpc (a client for it) to play my music. I don't even have to worry about folders then. Playing songs is as simple as "mpc search artist Coheed | mpc add; mpc play", or somesuch. No need for some bloated piece of software when I can just ssh to my music holding computer and ask for what I want.
Re:mySQL database? (Score:2)
Re:mySQL database? (Score:2)
One of the first things I read in the docs:
2. Make sure you have register_globals = On
Yeah, that really fills me with confidence...
Re:mySQL database? (Score:2)
Re:mySQL database? (Score:2)
That will probably not happen - so I'll write a reply on the main article.
Re:the simplest means will scale indefinitely (Score:2)
Bingo! Same here - We even have almost the exact same exceptions to the default. I also have an exception for audiobooks as well, though... I could put them under the author, but they really just don't fit in conceptually as "music". And if I want to make a playlist o