Apple Announced 17" MacBook Pro 473
artlu writes "According to Reuters news, Apple has announced the launch of the 17" MacBook Pro. The new MacBook will retail for $2,799, come with iLife '06, and begins shipping next week. Details are not yet on Apple's website, but hopefully these notebooks will be triple booting as well!"
Price (Score:1, Insightful)
Where's the SMALL ones? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't want a giant laptop. I want some features that the bigger ones have, like the illuminated keyboard and maybe a PCCARD slot. I definitely do NOT want the bulk.
Come on, Apple! Gimmie a 12" (or the not-even-rumoured-much 13.1") MacBookPro! And if it can use the same battery as my Powerbook that'd be nice!
13" please! (Score:2, Insightful)
best choice i ever made. the 12" is not noticeably slower for doing the stuff i do. (compiles a tiny bit slower, but whateva) and it still runs the 23" cinema when on my desk. weighs just over half as much, and fits in a much smaller space (so i can lug around my big nikon d70 as well)
Anyhow, props to Apple for releasing the mothership of laptops, the 17" really is a sweet machine, but the second they announce a 13" intel based lappy, i am there.
1680x1050? That sucks! (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue (Score:4, Insightful)
MacBook Pro (Score:4, Insightful)
If you have a significant other that isn't interested in computers, get one of these and then demonstrate Frontrow with the remote to go through your photos/music/video. You might find they suddenly take an interest...
Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (Score:2, Insightful)
-Kurt
Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (Score:5, Insightful)
every time there is an apple thread, someone comes out and says 'wait PC's are cheaper!! and here is a comparison!!' and then some apple fanatic comes back and refutes it and blah blah blah.
Look, my time is worth money. windows and linux take effort. I want my tools to work, so I can get to the business at hand. when my tools dont work, i have to spend time fixing them simply so i can get back to work. Having used windows previously (which made me even more of a mac fan) I can tell you that my mac 'just works' and windows does not (i mean, it works, kinda, if you know how to set it up right and keep it running, oh, and reboot every so often and.. and.... and...).
So, again, my time is worth money, if the mac were 5 times as expensive as the dell, it would still pay itself off in productivity in about a month in comparison. So, feel free to buy the cheaper machine, more power to yah. I would rather spend my free time with friends and family and my work time being creative. (as opposed to spending my free time fixing my computer, and my work time jumping through hoops to get shit done)
Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (Score:4, Insightful)
The thing is, Apple's not really competing with Dell as Dell's laptop's are made inexpensiveley. Dell can't be beat on value but Apple's laptops are really nicely made with excellent keyboards and very solid cases. With IBM's laptop division gone to Lenovo, I think Apple laptops are poised to take the high end market, a great place for a company looking for large profit margins.
Re:Some notes (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Up to 5 times the performace of the PowerBook G (Score:2, Insightful)
Up to 5 times faster for many operations, but substatially slower for legacy software & software that relies on altivec.
Well, Apple does say UP TO 5 TIMES FASTER, so they are aren't lying. I would never expect them to say anything negative about their product in any of their marketing material, that's just retarded.
That's like going to a job interview and focusing on all your faults, rather than what you have to offer the company. We all have faults, it doesn't mean we should tout them.
Apple has always been a forward thinker. Legacy support has always come at some performance price. If you want to get angry, get angry at the likes of Adobe, which apparently bet on Apple's Intel switch starting later, rather than sooner. They got caught with their pants down (an Intel Mac version is still OVER A YEAR AWAY).
No thanks.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Uhm. It's a MAC people! (Score:2, Insightful)
If you want to game, get a PlayStation. If you need a computer to get work done, get a Mac.
If you want to run the latest virus, get Windows.
Re:A Machine For Suckers With Too Much Cash (Score:5, Insightful)
What if I get a new Mac and after a few months decide that I actually like Windows better?
What if Apple goes out of business and I can't get software?
What if my employer requires me to use a particular Windows application?
What if a program or game that I want is only available for Windows?
Suddenly, all of these worries have vanished.
Once Again (Score:3, Insightful)
Who again is NOT totally angered that Apple won't offer high resolution displays. Comparing the pixel count to their 20" Display is SAD, SO SAD...
I have a 2002 Toshiba Laptop with a 15" screen that does 1600x1200, and a 17" Laptop that does 1920x1200...
Why is Apple still the poor cousin when it comes to graphics? (Let alone the Video solution they are using is 2-5 times slower than offerings from other companies.
I was really hoping they would offer people that work with graphics (even as a hobby) a high resolution display.
And if people complain about tiny print or tiny buttons, once again I will say, Why in the HELL does OSX NOT do a better job of Scaling the UI? Even WindowsXP does a better job, OSX should at least catch up to such a low bar.
Besides, I have good eyes, and the 'smooth' lines and crisp video you can get at a higher DPI is more than worth it. I can at least play WMV HD 1080p on my 1yr old 17" laptop, why in HECK can't I play that resolution of Video or Movies on a Mac of all things. An area of the industry they pride themselves on. (Yes I know the 30" screen has 1920x1200, but we are talking laptops here.)
Every Mac user needs to say, Ok, Apple, (A,B,C are really good, but you totally blew it on D,E,F, and G features.) Why is Apple the cheap version of what I can buy from Dell?
Re:Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue (Score:3, Insightful)
I understand - what I'm saying is that the performance gain in hardware is pretty much canceled out by having to run the app through the code-morphing Rosetta foo. Since the only thing that I really have performance issues with is Photoshop, I don't yet have a compelling reason to upgrade.
That's not to say that I don't drool over them a little, but I have one of the last Powerbook G4 models, so trying to upgrade now would get me a smack from the spouse.
Re:Deliberately slowed graphics card... heat issue (Score:3, Insightful)
Its just like working on a car, guys. You redo your interior and the engine blows? Hey, the manufacturer is liable. You chip your turbo up from 7psi to 18psi (removing an "artificial limitation" on the hardware) and the engine blows? Its your own damn problem, and you have some expensive head work in your future.
I don't see any reason why computer-mods wouldn't be covered under the same framework. Paint your case and the computer blows up? Their problem. Overclock your video card and it overheats and fries something? Your problem. Or are you saying that's "not fair"?
Re:Don't. (Score:3, Insightful)
There's a difference though:
The first situation is easily sortable. The second situation depends on whether the manufacturer will replace the machine under warranty. If they won't (which is reasonable -- you would have to go through some awkward steps to do this) then you've got a nice new Apple-branded flower press.
Personally, I'd love to bump the clock rate, if I had one. But I'd wait to see if the only adverse effect is a more noisy fan. I'd also likely wait for an OS X utility that would switch it, because I'd want to raise the clock speed only when I'm about to *use* it, which would likely only be for certain things (i.e. the latest games which don't play well with a lowered clock).
-Q
Re:Dell coupon codes from Ebay (Score:1, Insightful)
If I'm a stranger, I walk up, and I hand you a suspicious looking candy and say "here, eat this!", do you just eat it? No, you eye it suspiciously and most likely turn it down. Why? Because from the time that we're kids, we're taught "Don't take candy from strangers." So why can nobody get the same clue about the internet? I've never once gotten a virus or spyware infection from doing what the typical user does in a day. Even using IE with XP Service Pack 2, you have to go to pretty considerable effort to overcome the computer's default setting to refuse to "take candy from a stranger", i.e. run an untrusted executable.
While I am by no means a Microsoft Apologist or Windows Evangelist (I run Ubuntu as my primary desktop for anything but games and graphics work), I can safely say you can get stuff done just fine in XP. Without constant reboots. No seriously. My uptime, on average, is a month or more. And that's on my desktop here at work, plus the reboots only occur for patches. Our 2K and 2K3 servers spend upwards of 3-4 months up at a time and only have to reboot for patches.
I can count on one hand the number of times I've had a bluescreen on this desktop I'm typing this from. And all three times were due to badly behaved nvidia drivers, not Microsoft code. Yes, I like using linux at home. Yes, I feel Apple (finally) makes a good OS with OSX. But if you want *any* credibility with the people you're arguing against, you damn well better pick points that they can't instantly refute from personal experience when you spout off about why your product is "better".
Face it, the reason you use your Apple instead of an Microsoft product is one of two reasons when it comes right down to it:
1) You hate Microsoft.
2) You love Apple.
While it can be any combination of those two, fanboyish arguments like yours are just as fucking retarded as the people that make stupid arguments about Apple's prices. And to clear up where I fall on the issue: yes, Apple's laptop prices are pretty much in line with the best other companies have to offer for similar performance. Have been for a while.
Re:12" PowerBook G4 remains... (Score:3, Insightful)
Laptop: iMacBook, MacBook Pro
They could also simply go with "MacBook" rather than "iBook" or "iMacBook". That would seem to fit the naming convention better, even though it doesn't have the "i" in it.
Re:A Machine For Suckers With Too Much Cash (Score:2, Insightful)
No, it's been held back by a lack of Windows, which prevents people from running applications. It's not called fear, although a characterization like that is typical of an Apple fanboy. See, people buy computers (whether they be PCs or game consoles or handhelds) because those platforms have the software they want. That's #1. #2 is style, and that can be enough to sell computers when people don't know what software they want to run - hence the people who buy Macs because "they're easier to use" or other bullshit excuses.
It's not about fear, it's about the best tool for the job. Now, for some people, that tool is the system that can run both OSX and Windows. Of course, for most people, having one operating system is still better than two, and so they'll go with the cheaper option.
Re:Uhm. It's a MAC people! (Score:3, Insightful)
It is NOT an oxymoron. There are those whose primary recreation
is computer games. You don't have to like it.
Your complete dismissal of pc's and mac's as a gaming platform
shows your lack of regard and respect for others who are not as you.
While the mac may not be the greatest gaming platform (argued ad infinitum here)
the top shelf games are available: world of warcraft, UT, Sims, etc.
I personally have played on consoles and have way more fun playing
games on a pc or mac platform. I don't play sports simulations though,
which seem to be huge on console platforms.
Yes, but am I forced to pay the Apple Tax? (Score:3, Insightful)
Can I get bare-bones hardware to install Windows on, or do I have to pay the Apple Tax.
Just had to try it out: s/Windows/Apple/ s/Linux/Windows/
Re:Uhm. It's a MAC people! (Score:1, Insightful)
The answer is that they aim at elitists that want to "think different." Apple have realised that if you appeal directly to the egos of these individuals, you can sell them just about any old thing.
Their marketing is such a triumph that the average mac-user will happily pay over 2 grand for an underpowered but very shiny toy, and still end up thinking that they are part of some cognitive elite.
Will It Be As BUGGY as the 17-inch MacBook Pro??? (Score:1, Insightful)
This Weeks What's Wrong With Macs! COPIED DIRECTLY From YOUR Helpe Site macfixit.com!
Special Report: Troubleshooting the MacBook Pro
Covering these topics:
30 Cinema Display distortion
Audio distortion/poor sound quality
Battery problems: Shuts off when not connected to power, more
Built-in Display distortion
Dead MacBook Pro's-on-arrival units!!
Downgraded SuperDrive relative to PowerBook G4
ExpressCard issues
FireWire 800 cards for ExpressCard/34 slot on the way
High-pitched whining noises: Eliminating
iSight not functioning properly
Kernel panics upon waking up (Inability to wake from sleep)
Lack of alternative power adapters
Missing components
Poor general network performance
Printer issues: Not recognized, more
Problems sharing the Internet connection
Slow networking performance with VLANs; VOIP phones
Wireless connectivity issues
MacBook Pro (#15): Kernel panics upon waking up (Inability to wake from sleep); More on whining noise; Wireless connectivity issues; more
MacBook Pro (#14): Inconsistent wireless connections with third-party routers; Problems operating from battery; more
MacBook Pro (#13): Whining noises -- more fixes; AppleTalk printers not showing up over AirPort; more
MacBook Pro (#12): Poor network performance for some
MacBook Pro (#11): More on whining noises, fixes; Problems sharing Internet connection; more
MacBook Pro (#11): Audio distortion; whining noises; screen flickering; more
MacBook Pro (#10): High-pitched whine being emitted, possible fixes; More seemingly defective units
MacBook Pro (#9): More units arrive DOA; More on sound quality
MacBook Pro (#8): iSight not functioning properly; Screen artifacts; Sound quality/speaker issues; more
MacBook Pro (#7): Notes from service manual; Poor sound quality; more
MacBook Pro (#5): Notes from service manual; Poor sound quality; more
MacBook Pro #4: FireWire 800 cards for ExpressCard/34 slot on the way
MacBook Pro #3: Ship date; Lack of third-party adapters; Adding a FireWire 800 port; ExpressCard issues
MacBook Pro (#2): SuperDrive apparently not dual-layer; S-Video out gone; No internal modem
Apple releases MacBook Pro Core Duo: 4-5X faster than PowerBook G4 (yeah sure!, NOT what Benchmarks have shown!)
MacBook Pro (#12): Poor network performance for some
Monday, March 13 2006 @ 08:15 AM PST
Some users are reporting poor network performance from the MacBook Pro, an issue we are not experiencing in-house.
Note that we cover a broad range of Intel-based Mac networking issues in a separate series of articles, along with various workarounds that may also be applicable in the case of these MacBook Pro issues.
MacBook Pro - More on whining noises; Problems sharing Internet connection; and more PROBLEMS!
We continue to report on a distinct and irritating high-pitched noise being emitted by the MacBook Pro.
In some cases, whining sounds of this nature are related to the tied to screen brightness and caused by defective inverter boards. This was a common problem with the PowerBook G3 "Lombard" models, and the sound could sometimes be affected (or eliminated totally) by gently flexing the inverter board.
Turn on iSight Several readers have reported that turning on the MacBook Pro's built-in iSight eliminates the whining noise.
One reader writes:
"Hi, i have the same problem. When i turn on the webcam the noise disappears, but when the webcam turn off, the noise starts again."
The MacBook Pro ONLY SHIPPED IN February!!!
Re:Once Again (Score:2, Insightful)
What really annoys me is all the talk about screen dpi. Screen dpi is not entirely the issue since viewing distance also comes into play. What really matters is the angle of view and the arc of a single pixel. Since notebooks are viewed frequently at closer distances than desktops, their screen dpi values should naturally be higher. PC notebook manufacturers seem to get that while Apple does not. Apple is stupid for doggedly sticking to 100 dpi displays despite the fact that (a) you don't want that, (b) technology has offered better for a long while, and (c) it was never a good idea in the first place. I once owned a 30" cinema display but sold it because I couldn't stand the coarse, 100 dpi jagged image. I currently use the 9MP IBM monitor. Sure it's 200 dpi but I just sit closer and get superior results. Too bad Apple broke support for it in OS X.