PS3 Prices in Europe Revealed 215
fistfullast33l writes "Ars Technica is reporting that the VP of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe revealed pricing for the Playstation 3 on a French radio show today. From the article: 'Strict currency translation suggests that American pricing may be in the range of US $605 to $726, but currency exchange alone can't tell the story. Case in point: the Xbox 360. In the United States, the Xbox 360 retails for $399, which is only 320 [euros] in exchange. Yet the Xbox 360 is priced at 399 [euros] throughout most of Europe.' The article goes on to speculate that 'the days of multi-console ownership may be coming to an end for many gamers' based on the Xbox 360 and the PS3 prices."
multi-console ownership (Score:5, Insightful)
If I get just one of the next generation consoles, I'll still be a multi-console owner; I just need to buy the Revolution.
Re:multi-console ownership (Score:2)
I think next-gen owners are going to be Revolution + one of 360/PS3. How many titles are going to be unique to a platofrm, and of those, how of those are worth a console purchase?
Re:multi-console ownership (Score:1)
Re:multi-console ownership (Score:2, Insightful)
Sorta like the current gen, where a lot of people I know had a Gamecube + Xbox or PS2. At least those that, unlike myself, don't waste gobs of money on games.
I think it is actually part of Nintendo's strategy, especially in the US...keep prices low enough that you can afford to get their console as an "extra." This is proba
Re:multi-console ownership (Score:1)
So There!
Re:multi-console ownership (Score:1)
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P$3 (Score:5, Insightful)
Goodbye, PS3 marketshare.
What do y'all think? Is this price point as huge a blunder by Sony as it appears to be on the surface?
Re:P$3 (Score:4, Insightful)
It depends.
It depends on what comes in the box. It depends on if it's $499, or if it's $599.
Really, you're not going to the store for an Xbox 360 and spending less that $550. I know two guys who went out and bought one yesterday, and they each spent $800. You need extra controllers, the right cable, memory, games, etc...
If the $499 price is the real price, and it's in 'Value Pack' form like they did with the PSP (doesn't seem too unlikely), then no, it's the same price as the Xbox 360 essentially. If the price is $599, and it comes with nothing, then yes. They're stupid. If it comes out at $399, and this little "slip" turns out to be a marketing stunt, well... I wouldn't be surprised. That would be just like Sony.
We're still at a point where nobody can make an informed decision about this stuff.
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
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Re:P$3 (Score:3, Interesting)
On the one hand, Sony could be pulling a marketing stunt; on the other, they could be trying to get the marketing willing to pay that much. I'd say they're more worried about sticker shock than turning around and surprising everybody "hey, guess what, we lied -- it's lower!".
In yer dreams. They set the price range, now they tweak what they put in the box (accessory-wise) to match t
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
I went to the store, bought a 360 and a play and charge kit. That's roughly $450 after tax. I went home and bought Geometry Wars and Marble Blast. $465. A couple weeks later, I bought Oblivion. Now we're up to $530 after tax, including two visits to the store, tax, and some XBL purchases.
Re:P$3 (Score:3, Interesting)
If the PS3 costs $499 you won't walk out of the store with out buying all of the same shit you have to buy for the Xbox 360 and you know it.
You won't walk out that door with out spending atleast $600+(console + game + tax) or $700+ for some basic shit and a game.
I don't think it's Sonys fault though.
Gamers think they NEED the most bad ass specs on the planet to have a good console. HD + 60+gig
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
Actually, I don't know it. And you don't know it. Nobody knows it. That's the whole point.
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
I can't imagine the PS3 costing less to manufature than the 360 either. Especially not with such new hardware like the Cell chip and Blu-Ray.
Neither can I, except for the fact that they have a year of cost reductions over what Microsoft's got right off the bat... I still think It'll cost more for them though. But I think Microsoft is breaking even on the 360 hardware already.
What really gets me is this "Cell & Blu-Ray" stuff
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
Not only that, but from what I hear on the retail front, there's actually a decent margin on them. Microsoft wouldn't let the retailers profit on them at their expense, especially since retailers are used to only makeing a couple dollars on the hardware sales.
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
yes. Sony has a lot of mindshare after the popularity of PS2, but kid's and parents won't pay these prices. only the 20s-30s gamers will buy it.
looks like a Nintendo victory already (as far as profit is concerned).
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
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Nope. I'm sure Sony know's what they are doing. The high price is an ingenious part of their marketing, and they have a new motto to go with it:
Playstation 3: With a price like this, it's gotta be good.
Re:P$3 (Score:2)
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Multi-console ownersip coming to an end? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Multi-console ownersip coming to an end? (Score:1)
PlayStation 3 will sell for between E499 and E599 (Score:5, Informative)
There. I think that says it. The rest of the article that is about ps3 prices in europe talks about xbox prices in the US. wtf.
Re:PlayStation 3 will sell for between E499 and E5 (Score:3, Funny)
Not really, my keyboard is not cut out for all these fancy new characters, I have a symbol for 'ovelos' on my keyboard. but not euro. or a shift key it appears.
Thank you (Score:2)
multi-console ownership (Score:5, Insightful)
This is why I think the Nintendo Revolution will really take off. I've come to the conclusion that I am done with consoles and moved 100% to the PC. If I'm going to spend a lot of money on something that will entertain me I want it to have something that I can use for other then entertainment. Which is why I'm much happier buying a PC. Yet Nintendo's game consoles are cheap enough for me to pick-up and not feel like I wasted a ton of money on it if I only play it once a week at most.
Re:multi-console ownership (Score:2)
You can get a nice card for under $200. I wouldn't call it high end, but if you are used to using Intel integrated controllers you might.
A Long Leap too far? (Score:4, Interesting)
The same is true of Blu-Ray as a whole. Numbers like $1000 and $1500 for simple players have been thrown around.
Either Sony bite a very big bullet and swallow hundreds of dollars in cost (which they probably are already at $599), or accept that it would be a minority console for several years until prices could fall - giving XBox 360, Revolution and HD-DVD a massive headstart.
Maybe this will be a nail in the coffin of Sony. I can't see any easy route out for them that will be acceptable to the stockmarket. Maybe they will be worth more in bits and someone will force that on them?
Re:A Long Leap too far? (Score:2)
What I want to see is, in a word, homebrew.
Now, before you mod me down, hear me out. Homebrewing hackers have always been nuts about hardware they could hack on. It builds a niche market willing to pay way too much for the hardware. Zaurus, GP2X, Dreamcasts (and that damn BBA...)
Sure, on its own, it won't save the PS3 from major price blowback, but it would offer me a reason to consider one if Sony were to loosen thier death-grip
The European Prices (Score:3, Informative)
499 Euro - 599 Euro
Out of my price range...
Viva la Revolution!
One less argument (Score:2)
Why bother? (Score:5, Interesting)
This, of course, is really bad for sony with it's apparently much higher price, lateness to the game, and DRM shenanigans. The only way for the PS3 to come out a winner is because of anti-microsoft mentalities, sony fanboyism, or a really killer exclusive title. One of the big reasons Sony came to the forefront of consoles is because it effectively stole the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest franchises away from Nintendo. Unless they can invent a breakthrough franchise a-la GTA or Halo that will be exclusive to them, they're essentially dead in the water.
Nintendo, on the other hand, has essentially re-invented the console for the Revolution. Not only is the controller revolutionary, but also the game distribution and game compatability platforms. The idea that I can buy one console, play both new games and old games, and not even have to go to the store to buy many of the games is going to put both the Xbox 360 and PS3 to shame. Because of this Nintendo doesn't compete directly with Sony or Microsoft.
Nintendo has more exclusive franchises, more backwards compatability, and will cost less. Even when you compare the 360 and PS3 directly Nintendo comes out ahead. Screw polygon count and cpu speed; give me my Revolution.
Re:Why bother? (Score:1)
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
No but you can take your gamecube game and stick it in the revolution. Also PS3 will not run all PS games, the PS2 didn't run ALL PS games.
i do think the revolution looks pretty killer though. its just not quite as revolutionary as you make it sound.
Well apparently they is something important that they will announce at this E3.
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
This was originally a debate over whether the PS3's or the Revolution's backwards-compatibility is better, I think. In that regard, this would move to even out the playing field. I still think Nintendo's ahead in the quality of the downloadable content they're gonna have. The only non-Nintendo console games I personally remember every playing were
Double standards (Score:1)
Because, of course, Microsoft are such anti-DRM pro-consumer crusaders and all.
I'm also not sure why you think Sony's "lateness to the game" is a problem, in the same post you state your preference for the Nintendo Revolution? The Revolution will probably be coming out at about the same time as the PS3, probably novemberish of this year. That's not a bad thing-- I think november of this
Re:Double standards (Score:2)
The reason I singled out Sony is because Microsoft already fulfilled their obligation to pushing the boundaries of "next generation" with the combination of Xbox Live and Xbox Arcade. Until Sony shows some real results they are falling further and further behind.
Nintendo isn't necessarily in the same boat because they aren't just copying Microsof
Re:Why bother? (Score:2, Insightful)
This, of course, is really bad for sony with it's apparently much higher price, lateness to the game, and DRM shenanigans. The only way for the PS3 to come out a winner is because of anti-microsoft mentalities, sony fanboyism, or a really killer exclusive title. One of the big reasons Sony came to the forefront of consoles is because it effectivel
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
GameTap is a service offering only old content that can easily be obtained for free.
With Nintendo, you have already purchased a new system for playing new games. The ability to serve up some classics is a bonus.
Yup, I can see that. It's one reason why the Xbox Live Arcade is doing pretty well (although it's not just limited to classic titles). But some Nintendo fanbois seem to thin
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
Sony has the implied lead with possibly getting the next Grand Theft Auto although nothing's been announced. Sony still gets all the Square-Enix games and the Metal Gear games; Microsoft gets a sliver of them, and late. Sony gets Grand Turismo . This is what comes to mind off-hand, and I'm not counting critically acclaimed stuff like Katamari Da
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
Super Smash Brothers Melee has sold more than 6 million copies on the cube. And Iwata has stated that they are trying to get the sequel as a Rev launch title. True, sales of Zelda
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
Re:Why bother? (Score:2)
So basically excessive Warezing helped Sony into the seat. One fact that Sony does not dare to admit up until now (not even internally given the whole we screw out
Hefty Price for Early Adopters (Score:1)
It wouldn't be so bad if the games were cheap ... (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm more worried about this generation transition than any other before. The cost of games is going to mean fewer games sell. And of course, games will cost loads more to develop. That means that publishers/developers focus on "guaranteed" sales, which means more sequels, more licenses and more cynically marketed crap. And less innovation and risk. Yeh, yeh, I know we've heard it all before, but I'm feeling pretty down about it. Maybe I'll just stick to mariokart on the SNES.
Re:It wouldn't be so bad if the games were cheap . (Score:2)
Are you even REMOTELY a "real" console gamer?
That's absoloutely Microsoft style pitiful (release the Xbox "last" in the last race and the replacement first in the next gen race) value for money, not good (compared to PS2)
Consoles are generally a 5 year item give or take a year, implying 3 is good, no just no.
Not once you factor in high quality video cables / addon memory cards / addon peripherals / games / etc etc not even close.
They expect Blu-Ray to save it at that price? (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed, their only justification seems to be that "it's not an expensive console, it's a cheap Blu-Ray player that ALSO plays games." While that may have worked for DVD and the PS2, when America was just beginning to move en masse to DVD and the jump from VHS was dramatic and simple, it's a recipe for disaster with the PS3 and Blu-Ray.
I remember a story not too long ago that showed fewer than half of Americans with HD capabilities had it hooked up correctly. Market penetration for HD in general is stagnant, and a multidude of ever-changing standards exist. Couple this with the fact that, while Blu-Ray is better than DVD in many ways, it's not better enough. This is nothing like the jump from VHS to DVD, and there's no way Blu-Ray alone will drive sales.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but Nintendo stands to hit the ground running and comein second or even first this round. (A lot depends on how well the Revolution controller works, what games come out for the 360 in the coming months, and if/when Microsoft releases a cheaper or updated 360).
Dude! (Score:2)
Ok, sorry. I'll be good now.
Re:They expect Blu-Ray to save it at that price? (Score:2)
for $600 I'm out (Score:2)
I still have a few (!) games left to finish from the last few years, so I'll be ok for a while.
Re:for $600 I'm out (Score:2)
Let's take the E599 price. That presumably includes tax. let's assume that is in a country with really high tax rates - sweden's is 25% (!), whereas the UK has a 17.5% rate of VAT - I'm assuming that's why the guy gave a price range.
Taking off VAT we have E480.
Converting to US dollars via XE we get $589. Round that up to $599.
Sorry. The PS3 is dead. I'm not an early adopter of new media playing technology, I couldn't be interested in the capability to play BluRay movies this year,
Cripes. (Score:4, Funny)
What The Market Will Bear (Score:2)
I'm imagining your kids don't like you much though.
That is, of course, assuming you don't whip out the free bible you got at a hotel for wild and crazy nights of bible reading.
All entertainment is not created equal. The cool thing about capitalism is that things generally cost what the market will bear. A games console costs around $500 (dropping to $200 a couple of years later) with games aroun
Re:Cripes. (Score:2)
Casinos, if you don't mind holes punched in the cards.
Re:Cripes. (Score:2)
I bought 6 decks because I don't expect that price to last long.
ouch (Score:1)
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Amazing (Score:2)
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
I haven't heard anything on Neo Geo games coming to the Revolution's Virtual Console either... think how much fun Beast Busters [daddelkingz.de] would be on that! Of course, my brother is hoping for Midway's Carnevil [bmigaming.com] instead... philistine!
Prices in Europe are/seem higher (Score:4, Informative)
Especially for CDs, DVDs and games the prices a arbitrary and they try to artificially seperate the markets via region codes and other such things.
Re:Prices in Europe are/seem higher (Score:2)
I don't know if it has any merit, though. Anyone know?
Re:Prices in Europe are/seem higher (Score:2)
Re:Prices in Europe are/seem higher (Score:2)
They did indeed try that, but didn't succeed. European PS2s haven't been coming with BASIC for many years now. And it was because of import tariffs, not VAT. VAT is set by the individual countries' governments and generally not lower for computers. In some places VAT might be even higher for a computer, or you might also end up paying a 'copying levy' for a machi
Re:Prices in Europe are/seem higher (Score:2)
It might avoid some duties.
PS2, at launch, had a silly BASIC disc included with it, to get it classified as a 'computer', since you could, in theory, plug in an USB keyboard, and program it. I think I still have the disc somewhere...
History could repeat itself (Score:1)
Re:History could repeat itself (Score:2)
Re:History could repeat itself (Score:2)
I think the Neo Geo AES would be a more apropriate comparrison. You could say the following about both:
The Neo Geo AES was a commercial failure, not because of any shortcomings in the hardware or the games, but because it was simply too expensive for most people to own. Will the PS3 have the same t
$500 US or bust (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:$500 US or bust (Score:2)
The PS3 has two HDMI slots. Unless Sony have thier collective heads up thier asses, the PS3 will have HDMI passthru. The HDMI specs were designed with daisy chaining in mind.
Revolution + Xbox360 PS3 (Score:3, Funny)
Revolution + Xbox360 is greater than PS3 (Score:2)
Re:Revolution + Xbox360 PS3 (Score:2)
Well, there's
Re:Revolution + Xbox360 PS3 (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3 [wikipedia.org]
The japanese are not too keen on the 360, so history + developers = likely shitty game base.
No price drop for 360's (Score:2, Insightful)
Or maybe this is all an elaborate play from Sony to keep 360 prices up until they can release the PS3? Get your conspiracy hats on...
So it's only Sony & Microsoft releasing consol (Score:2, Insightful)
That may be true if you are only considering the PS3 and Xbox 360, but with a predicted price as low as 99 USD (although 149 USD is more likely) the Revolution is going to be the second, and indeed "must have" machine for those not wanting to miss out on the novel and exclusive games which it will bring to the party. And this is exactly why Nintedo has repeatedly stated that they are not comp
You dropped this? (Score:3, Funny)
but don't worry, you can have mine
Re:So it's only Sony & Microsoft releasing con (Score:2)
Nintendo does themselves a disservice if their price makes the Revolution look like a "disposable" console, and it will at a price that low.
Blu-ray (Score:4, Interesting)
Sony's Pricing Risk (Score:3, Insightful)
Keep in mind that Microsoft is losing money with each console sold (which they expect to recoup in software sales), so they really could have raised the price at launch and still sold out of 360's because of the high demand. Now this may have helped their short-term bottom line, but not without the risk of the strategy backfiring through a loss in brand perception. For example, the public thinks that the 360 is too expensive or trying to screw customers, so only the hardcore buy it, resulting in a season of fair profitability at launch, but at the expense of mass adoption. By avoiding this strategy Microsoft also built the perception that the 360 is a must buy because people are on a waiting list to buy it.
By initially pricing the PS3 at $499 and $599(USD) Sony can control their lossses during the frentic launch season (when their supply will be exceeded by the demand at any sub-$1000 price), and then have room to cut the price later (when manufacturing gets up to speed) and let the mainstream feel like they are getting a deal. Of course, they risk alienating those same mainstream customers that they need to pick up later (so that the whole economies of scale thing works).
My brother and I share a PS2 that he bought used two years ago(probably for about $200 w/ games). And although I like some of the Sony games and the whole variety out there for the PS2, I really can't see myself buying a PS3 until a full version gets down to $299.
Re:Sony's Pricing Risk (Score:2)
With games and controllers you could buy a CAR A FRIKKIN CAR!
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So Sony wasn't BSing for once? (Score:2)
And the Sony fanboys go crazy...
Seriously, if this is true, I won't be surprised. Kuturagi has been saying for a while now that this was going to be "expensive".
This is going to prove how much people are willing to pay for their systems.
A very stark contrast to what Nintendo is saying and planning.
The price isn't as crucial as you might think. (Score:2, Insightful)
How things have changed (Score:3, Interesting)
Melissa
Re:How things have changed (Score:2)
Meh. (Score:2, Insightful)
Not surprised.. (Score:3, Interesting)
The big problem though, is that even with those expensive changes, the PS3 titles havent managed to look all that different from those of their competitors (specially without a HDTV) and I can almost bet most (if not all) first generation titles will be released in regular Dvd's not blu-ray's.
This is the real reason why Sony decided to delay the launch until the costs could be reduced and more interesting launch titles were available, unfortunately the console launch can only be delayed for a time and although the price has dropped quite a bit (From $700 to ($600-$500)) it still manages to top the rest, additionally first generation titles still dont seem to use the PS3 hardware properly. (check out the gameplay videos at youtube.com) and I specially dont expect EA titles to do any different.
To make things worst Sony PR has been bombing fans with "target renders" and "realtime demos" of suposedly "possible" images for the PS3 (they even carried the tradition in the GDC with Motorstorm and a clearly prerrendered Ratchet and clank "preview") far, far beyond the capabilities of the earlier generations titles (KZ2, Motorstorm and maybe even MGS4 itself, etc.) IMO Big mistake, eventually all fans will realize the PS3 is not capable of delivering at THAT level at the time, they probably wont be very amussed.
High price, fraudulent imagery and advetising, no Killer apps (unless MGS4 is ready for deploy of course) and dissapointing First generation titles? the PS3 has a lot of work cut out in front of it. Lets see how the final launch goes in November (my birth month!).
Re:Great, a story about european prices... (Score:2)
I am not on your continent on inside your quaint monetary system you insensitive clod!
Actual european prices: "between 499 and 599."
Not on inside of our monetary system: "US $605 to $726."
This must the most nonsensical post I've seen on slashdot all week.
Re:Great, a story about european prices... (Score:2)
RTFA: 500 to 600 EUR (Score:2)
and the snippet only gives us the US equivilent, not the actual european prices.
I read the article, and it stated the following: "In a radio show with France's Europe 1, Fornay said that the PlayStation 3 will sell for between 499 and 599." Must I be new here?
Re:RTFA: 500 to 600 EUR (Score:1)
Snippet is the key word. The slashdot snippet missed a key piece of information that could have easily been extracted from the article. Providing the price both in euros and dollars would have made the slashdot's blurb more appropriate and informat
Re:RTFA: 500 to 600 EUR (Score:2)
You must be new here. Slashdot snippets aren't supposed to entice you to read the article, they're supposed to summarize all our preconceived notions into one little paragraph so that we can debate the topic without reading the f* article.
And how many other currencies for people living in other English-speaking areas where Slashdot is read? British pounds? Canadian dollars? Australian dollars?
Well, I think tha
Re:$499-$599 ouch (Score:1)
Re:$499-$599 ouch (Score:2, Interesting)
You need to remember that Microsoft were, and still are losing money on the 360 base units, so it's n
Mod parent down (Score:2)
Um, spend about 6 months cracking different versions of firmware only to have Sony update it regularly whenever you put a game/movie in? Then realize that its no longer worth the trouble of cracking version X.00 and beyond only to have your PS3 turned into an oversized, overpriced paperweight because you can't play anything official without destroying all your homebrewed software on it?
No, posse up a few grand
Few grand!? Whoa! If I had a few grand I'd simply b
Re:PS3 = insta$$$ (Score:2)
It also seems that stores don't want to go through this hastle again either. I went into a local Gamestop and they won't even take pre-orders on the PS3 because they don't expect to get m