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1 Million Firefoxes in 4 Days 602

Dodger73 writes "The Mozilla guys would have liked to reach 1 Million downloads of the Firefox 1.0 pre-release version within ten days of its release. After four days, the download counter now shows 1,006,060 downloads, surpassing the 10^6 mark more than twice as fast as they desired! Congratulations!"
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1 Million Firefoxes in 4 Days

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  • Link to get it (Score:5, Informative)

    by bobbis.u ( 703273 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @08:59AM (#10290303)
    How about adding a few more downloads?! Get it here [mozilla.org].
    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:04AM (#10290339)
      I use Linux, you insensitive clod!
      • Re:Link to get it (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Directrix1 ( 157787 )
        So when will the mozilla foundation take launch.yahoo.com into actually supporting firefox? I really miss being able to watch decent music videos online.
        • Re:Link to get it (Score:3, Informative)

          Thats up to Yahoo! actually, not Mozilla Foundation. Displaying an error vs letting the site display. I'm sure Firefox could handle whatever they have perfectly fine.
          • Re:Link to get it (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Directrix1 ( 157787 )
            Yes I meant to say when will the Mozilla Foundation talk launch.yahoo.com ... etc. etc. Having no good way of getting a hold of them, you need bigger entities to make the persuasive argument. I know that firefox would be able to handle it. Unless they went the activeX route.
            • Re:Link to get it (Score:5, Informative)

              by Myen ( 734499 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @12:08PM (#10291246)
              See bug 121832 on bugzilla.mozilla.org
              They did talk to them; Yahoo replied that they want to be able to script Windows Media Player (plugin). Not sure what's happenning now.

              It would probably help if you complained to Yahoo as well (hopefully more complaints would help motivate them to fix things).
      • Re:Link to get it (Score:3, Informative)

        by LGagnon ( 762015 )
        You'll want this link [mozilla.org] then. And if you have a Mac, this link [mozilla.org] should help. Still, keep in mind that Firefox was originally meant to be a Windows program (but it doesn't hurt to be available on multiple platforms though, which I'm definitely in support of).
        • Re:Link to get it (Score:5, Interesting)

          by ultrabot ( 200914 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:58AM (#10290624)
          Still, keep in mind that Firefox was originally meant to be a Windows program (but it doesn't hurt to be available on multiple platforms though, which I'm definitely in support of).

          Do you have a reference to this intention? One would think that Firefox had the intention of being a cross-platform browser like Mozilla before it.

          Linux on desktop was a much less credible beast at the time of first phoenix release, though...
          • Re:Link to get it (Score:5, Informative)

            by bhtooefr ( 649901 ) <bhtooefr.bhtooefr@org> on Sunday September 19, 2004 @10:50AM (#10290874) Homepage Journal
            Actually, Firefox IS meant to be cross-platform. It's Moz that cross-platform was a side-effect on. Windows first, Mac second, *nix later. This is because it's the OSS Netscape.
          • Re:Link to get it (Score:5, Informative)

            by dwhitman ( 105201 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @12:10PM (#10291261)
            Grandparent: Still, keep in mind that Firefox was originally meant to be a Windows program (but it doesn't hurt to be available on multiple platforms though, which I'm definitely in support of).

            Parent: Do you have a reference to this intention?

            The opening paragraph of the Firefox Development Charter [mozilla.org] says:

            Firefox grew out of the desire to make the best browser for Microsoft Windows. Eventually we began to build on Linux as well, and also Macintosh. Most of our development work is done on Windows, and so that platform naturally tends to lead although we express a desire to work as well as is feasible on every system we can.

          • Linux vs. Windows FF (Score:4, Informative)

            by schmiddy ( 599730 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @01:33PM (#10291706) Homepage Journal
            About FF supposedly being aimed towards Windows, I'm not going to believe that unless you have a credible source to cite.

            However, one thing that irks me about the Moz team is how Firefox's default behavior is quite different in Linux and in Windows. In Windows, if you middle-click on the tab bar at the top, the tab closes. In Linux, the middle click by default wants to open a new page with a link from the clipboard which, more often than not, is not a valid URL and generates an annoying error message. To fix this, you just have to go into the about:config, and change the middleclick.openURL (I think..) to 'false'.

            Another thing.. In Windows, if you middle click in a page, you can scroll up and down. In Linux, again, you have to enable this in the about:config.

            Since FF is supposed to be a multi-platform browser, I really wish they would make the default behavior consistent between platforms. I don't want to have to twiddle in the config to get it working like it's supposed to.
      • by aurb ( 674003 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @11:16AM (#10291006)
        You can run it with wine [winehq.com].
    • I added to the download counter, installed it, found it didn't work at all for me, and then promptly downgraded back to Firefird 0.9.2. 1.0PR brought up some error about the Java plug-in being incompatible with Internet Explorer and then just hung taking up 100% of the CPU until it was manually killed with the task manager. 0.9.2 doesn't have that problem on my system so I'll stick with that until they fix the bug.
  • by andywebz ( 794668 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:00AM (#10290313)
    True 1 million is 1 million, but I for one downloaded it at home, and twice at work. Once for the windows box, and once for the linux box.
  • behold! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Mr. Foogle ( 253554 ) <brian,dunbar&gmail,com> on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:00AM (#10290316) Homepage
    behold the power of wget and a script. Lets you really rack up the ol' hit counter.
  • by IgD ( 232964 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:03AM (#10290332)
    I installed Firefox for the first time yesterday. It worked pretty well! I wish I could uninstall Internet Explorer using a program like XP Lite. My concern is that I would not be able to use Windows Update. If Firefox could run Windows Update I would remove IE permanently.
    • by Nerftoe ( 74385 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:08AM (#10290365)
      Behold.. Windows Update Extension for Firefox. [mozilla.org]

      Enjoy!
      • Umm, all that does is open Windows Update in IE. However, there is an ActiveX plug-in for Mozilla, but I don't know if it works with Windows Update.
      • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:13AM (#10290398) Journal
        Behold.. Windows Update Extension for Firefox.

        If I understand the comments correctly, IE is still required to be fully installed. All it does is to add a menu item for "Windows Update" that runs IE? :-P

        What would be nice is a special program that grabs stuff from WU. I know the WU client does, but only the critical security updates.
        • Windows update depends on activex. Without it you cannot scan for packages. It's best to just go ahead and use ie for windows update. The odds of WU getting hacked are pretty slim as surely Microsoft concentrates all its security efforts there, and if your DNS isn't pointing to someplace bad then it ought to be fairly safe in general.
      • by pikine ( 771084 )

        From the author's page [beggarchooser.com]:

        Windows Update - Adds a Windows Update menuitem under the Firefox (0.9+) tools menu (Opens IE to windowsupdate site)
    • by FePe ( 720693 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:24AM (#10290453)

      I also installed Firefox for the first time yesterday. I have moved from Internet Explorer to Netscape Navigator to Opera version 5, 6 and 7. I thought Opera was the best browser on the planet, but then I realized it was Firefox!

      Firefox launches really quickly, and the websites loads very fast too (actaully a bit faster than Opera as far as I have experienced). The Firefox extensions are really a neat thing; you can validate a page (HTML, CSS, link check etc.) from a menu on a toolbar instead of typing the URL everytime. The other features of the developer extension makes developing a standard website easy outlining deprecated elements for example, or resizing the window.

      Overall, my view on Mozilla and Firefox has changed rapidly within a few minutes.

      • by eofpi ( 743493 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:47AM (#10290563) Homepage
        Opera and Firefox are both leaps and bounds ahead of IE. Like the parent, I came to Firefox from Opera, and the only thing I miss about Opera is the usefulness of some of its keyboard shortcuts. There's probably an extension to give me that functionality back (such as G to disable graphics, F12 for quick options, and number keys for page scaling), but it hasn't been so troubling that I've gone out looking for one.
  • coolness (Score:3, Informative)

    by Mr._Hole ( 665558 ) <webactivexNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:06AM (#10290350) Homepage
    I like the new find bar on the bottom of the window... way better than it poping up.
  • It's great (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tsa ( 15680 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:06AM (#10290352) Homepage
    Well I think they deserve the attention. About a week ago I wined about [slashdot.org] things I thought Firefox and Thunderbird could not do, but I switched and I must say it's far better than I expected. This is a great browser. I especially like the way almost everything is configurable. I think I'll stick to this for a long time to come.
  • Supported browsers (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tomasset ( 26814 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:07AM (#10290357)
    I just hope this leads web-developers to eventually test and validate their pages with something else than IE.

    I am always so annoyed with the "Your browser is not supported" mesage...
    • by bizpile ( 758055 ) *
      I just hope this leads web-developers to eventually test and validate their pages with something else than IE.

      I have just the opposite problem: I usually have to remember to go back and check my site in IE after I update it. I've had to make a lot of minor changes because something looked muffed up in IE. For example, IE doesn't like when you put spaces inside of the quotes around HEX colors. (e.g.: bgcolor=" #333333 "). That color appears green in IE.
    • Heh, FF users are probably a more select and savvy group than the unwashed masses using IE. So, why any business would turn away 5 to 10% of its best possible clients, I fail to understand.

      We have a dress code sir, 'no ties allowed'...

  • by zero_config ( 753118 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:07AM (#10290361)
    Reporter: "Mr. Gate$, what do you think of Firefox?"
    Gate$: "I think its a myth. There are foxes and then there are foxes. There is no such thing as a Fire fox. And now if you'd excuse me, there is a Long Horn up my ass, I have to go see someone abt it."
  • More downloads... (Score:5, Informative)

    by dutt ( 738848 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:08AM (#10290362) Homepage
    If the amount is over one million at the download counter on their site, then it doesn't meen that it's only one million downloads.

    Copies are spread through many other sources so the actual amount of downloads is probably much more than the download counter indicates!

    Congrats Firefox!

  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:08AM (#10290364) Homepage Journal
    I got 2 Windows users to download and install it. I would've liked to do more, but something's better than nothing. I followed up ofcourse, with a short demo of the "essential" features and setting up the homepage, importing bookmarks, etc.

    Things that impressed them the most over their first ~5 mins.

    1. Tabbed Browsing
    2. Ability to set multiple pages as home pages.
    3. Sleek look.
    4. Small download size.

    I guess the popup blocker didn't make as much of an impact because of 3rd party blockers/etc that they had installed and functional.

    Go Firefox!

    • by LiquidCoooled ( 634315 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:23AM (#10290446) Homepage Journal
      Best feature for me has to be the highlighted text search (ctrl f).

      Its like bringing the search results up from google cache.

      My gf has fallen in love with the "Nuke anything" extension, she thinks its cool to make geek stuff go away bit by bit (she sits and wipes out bits of /.). There was a slight pause as I told her it was being deleted it from the entire internet ;)

      • You can semi-permanently wipe away the irrelevant distracting bits of Slashdot easily by checking the 'light' menu box in user config, and then right clicking to block graphics from images.slashdot.org. That, and blocking images from a few ad servers, and Slashdot returns to being content-rich and eyespam free.
  • by Sediyama ( 527384 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:12AM (#10290385)
    Firefox 0.8 had only 3 million downloads in 4 months and with only 100 hours more than a million downloads of 1.0PR!

    The community must spread this kind of initiative to other projects.
  • My four downloads... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ford Prefect ( 8777 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:12AM (#10290390) Homepage
    Okay, I probably downloaded it more times than was really necessary, but they were all for different computers. Two for Win98, one for Win95, and one for MacOS X.

    Something I don't think has been promoted enough is that Firefox works brilliantly on older computers. I've got an old Win95 machine that I use for when I need to use Microsoft Office (OpenOffice.org is great, but sometimes I need the real MS thing), and was trying to update the IE 4 that it's currently stuck with. Is it possible? I've no idea. I was bounced around various Microsoft download pages, unable to find something that suited Windows 95 - all the system requirements for newer versions of IE given were at least Win98...

    Contrast this with Firefox. Visit the Mozilla site, and it guesses which version of Firefox you should need from the User-Agent string of your existing browser. Big link on front page, click on it to download, and minutes later you're in a new browser.

    There are many, many older computers around, and before not it was too easy to get stuck with an out-of-date browser. There were alternatives, but Firefox has become the easiest of the lot - it's incredibly simple to upgrade to something secure and modern. It's brilliant!
  • by feldhaus ( 813019 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:13AM (#10290393)
    That's 1,000,000 potential people annoyed with Slashdot's dodgy rendering in Firefox.

    Surely somebody here could fix it?
    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:40AM (#10290539)

      You should take a look at slashdot through the W3C markup validator [w3.org].

      Of course, the Slashdot Moderators(tm) don't want you to look at the site through the w3c. That's why you get the 403 forbidden error. However, if you save a page from this site and upload just that html file to w3c, you'll get over a hundred html errors. Try it with this story and you'll see what I'm talking about.

      And people wonder why this site doesn't render right on different browsers, sheesh.

      Shaggy

      p.s. Yes, I know it's easier to bitch and moan than to actually do something about it. But damnit Jim, I'm a bicycle mechanic, not a programmer!

    • by Soul-Burn666 ( 574119 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @10:04AM (#10290647) Journal
      Yes. This bug still apears in 1.0PR.
      It comes from the ability to view the site while not all of the data was already downloaded. In case images don't have their size properties, it assumes a default value and forgets to update it when the data appears.

      To fix, simply ctrl- and ctrl+ to change font size and it'll fix the layout.
  • by bockman ( 104837 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:19AM (#10290425)
    Well, it is not like IE, but one million installation is something serious. And if you target gecko, you can add Mozilla and Galeon users. Therefore, it is better to double the attention on the security issues. Something has been done [mozilla.org] but we all know this is a never ending story.

    And since the good guys cannot always win (unless you live in an hollywood movie), it is time to prepare a nice chroot jail in which to run our beloved browser (and maybe the mail client as well).

  • Firefox.com (Score:5, Informative)

    by Artega VH ( 739847 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:22AM (#10290445) Journal
    I can't believe noone mentioned Kevin Karpenske [quailish.com] who kindly donated the firefox.com [firefox.com] domain to the mozilla guys.

    Kudos to Kevin for demonstrating a great deal of kindness in supporting our favourite browser..
  • by Infonaut ( 96956 ) <infonaut@gmail.com> on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:25AM (#10290455) Homepage Journal
    There have been several posts about how these are redundant downloads, only existing Mozilla/FF users are downloading, etc. But regular IE-using people are starting to switch. I know a half-dozen Windows/IE folks who have switched. A Windows enterprise tech support friend of mine has been switching all of his customers over to Firefox. The German government has been telling people to switch. CERT has told people to watch out for IE.

    The important thing is that people are now realizing that they actually have a choice. That's the first step.

  • by mnmn ( 145599 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:33AM (#10290500) Homepage
    I've been looking at ways to automatically deploy it using MSI files, and switch the default browser to it across the company network.

    Even though I limit peoples permissions they still get spyware. When things get bad especially for people who need admin access to their machines for legacy apps, I have to reinstall Windows2k. Not fun.

    Wait till we get version 1.2 or something, and people can confidently install it in the corporate.

    Then start counting.
  • by Apreche ( 239272 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:36AM (#10290512) Homepage Journal
    I really wonder what their counting method is. I imagine they just look in the web server logs and see how many people downloaded the different binary packages and add them together. But what about people like me who emerge -u firefox? Do we get counted?

    1 million is great, and like every poster here has said. The count isn't close to accurate. So let us now aim for 2 million!
    • by asa ( 33102 ) <asa@mozilla.com> on Sunday September 19, 2004 @10:08AM (#10290670) Homepage
      But what about people like me who emerge -u firefox? Do we get counted?

      Unfortunately not. We miss a lot of downloads. Right now we're just looking at our primary FTP mirrors. We're not taking into account all of the not Mozilla FTP mirror download locations or mechanisms.

      If you have suggestions about how to get a more inclusive count, please let me know.

      The good news is that this is probably a conservative estimate and our real number of 1.0PR downloads are probably higher than what we're reporting.

      1 million is great, and like every poster here has said. The count isn't close to accurate. So let us now aim for 2 million!

      See SpreadFirefox.com [spreadfirefox.com] where we're already looking for that second million :-)

      --Asa
  • by cioxx ( 456323 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:37AM (#10290525) Homepage
    The blog closely resembles Howard Dean's campaign blog circa Democratic Primaries, with similar rhetoric, complete with donation solicitations, volunteer kits, etc. The parallels are eerie. I think it's great!

    Dean: "Take back your country"

    Firefox: "Take back the web"

    "Not only are we going to get downloaded in New Hampshire ... but also in South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico! We're going to make users uninstall IE in California and Texas and New York. And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan and then we're going to Redmond, to take back the web! Yeeeeeeah!"
  • One new user here (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:56AM (#10290608)
    I'm probably way behind the Slashdot curve here, but I finally switched over to Mozilla a few months ago after IE started to routinely crash, even after updates and a new firewall/anti-virus. I didn't like Mozilla all that much (it felt a bit clunky), but it worked and was reasonably fast so I stuck with it.

    I just got the new release of Firefox a few days ago after a friend recommended it, and I think I have just found my new favorite browser. It has the same streamlined look that I had customized on my old IE setup, but without the MS junk and frequent crashes. Its very fast too, and tabs seem like a great feature (I used to just open everything in a new window before Mozilla.)

    I'm basically stuck with a crappy operating system because of gaming and office fonts, but its nice to know that I'm not stuck with IE if I want a fast streamlined browser.
  • by hemabe ( 532570 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @09:57AM (#10290620)
    The 1 million downloads are only from english-speaking people. The german version for example is not translated yet. I guess that a few 100,000 users alone in germany, austria and swiss would download the final version.

    So the counter would be much higher, if other languages were finished.
  • by Sophrosyne ( 630428 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @10:03AM (#10290645) Homepage
    Kevin Gerich (who, along with Stephen Horlander created the default theme for Firefox) has done some really nice Firefox replacement widgets [kmgerich.com] at his weblog- check them out and install them, they are very nice.
  • by orangeguru ( 411012 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @10:15AM (#10290694) Homepage
    IMHO it's a big mistake to make create such a hype on the web for the prerelease version:

    * there are still some nasty bugs in there (like some HTML rendering), so they should have waited for a proper 1.0

    * many cool plugins and themes haven't been updated for 1.0PR - which would demonstrate the full power of FF

    * I can see many avarage Joes downloading 1.0PR and never updating it - jeust because of the buzz

    * maybe they should have started the hype, when FF and Thunderbird were ready for 1.0 - so they could offer both in a bundle?

    * I still think many major features are either to hidden or need a plugin: mouse gestures should be in by default and 'search in page' is way toooo geeky

    * there should be better mechanisms in the software / first startup to make users download their 'usual' plugins (they already have in IE) like Flash, QuickTime and RealPlayer - so that FF will work properly with their usual sites
    • by Pecisk ( 688001 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @11:22AM (#10291041)
      I partly agree with you, but don't be so harsh, I have several comments on your arguments:

      * First, it simply works [tm] for most users and most sites, so, yes there are still bugs on HTML rendering and it haunting them down will be long story, but as I said - it works for most users.

      * I guess lot of those users won't chase cool plugins as long as after month or two of casual browsing - or maybe won't look after plugins at all. So this stuff is for advanced users who already know that they should wait. :)

      * This (t.i. third) point is the most I would agree with - but hey, it's a common problem and it is not only with Firefox.

      * Hmmm, smart thought, but I think marketing should start when it should start - it must be slightly before the release of original product. See, Microsoft hypes about Longhorng veeeeeery eaaaarly :)

      * Of coarse lot of things could be improved, but hey, let's leave it to the next versions :)

      * I really LOVE the new way of handling Flash plugins - just click on the embeded object with text 'Download the plugin', opens the wizard, several 'Next' and vola - I got working Flash. It is really MUCH better than previous way of handling things.

      So, it is not so bad - it is marketing and I really happy to see that it works - even for open source.
    • by Woy ( 606550 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @11:29AM (#10291073)
      * many cool plugins and themes haven't been updated for 1.0PR - which would demonstrate the full power of FF

      I find that the most glaring error in firefox. The plugins that need updating EVERY SINGLE VERSION of it. I mean, how hard can it be to make the plugins work across versions? Is the interface changing EVERY version? Is the change worth it? Is it getting THAT much better for plugin programmers? What they'll acomplish with this is that they'll burn trought the good will of the plugin programmers before releasing 1.0 final.

  • by CritterNYC ( 190163 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @01:18PM (#10291630) Homepage
    Silicon.com is carrying the news [webmasterworld.com] that Mozilla/Firefox usage is up to 5.2% of visitors to ecommerce and corporate sites, up from 3.5% in June. Internet Explorer usage over the same timeframe fell from 95.5% to 93.7%. This makes sense as many web developers have been adopting Firefox very quickly (w3schools Gecko usage is at 17.7% [webmasterworld.com]) as well as techies and alpha-geeks (Engadget [webmasterworld.com] Gecko usage is at 23% [webmasterworld.com] and News.com Gecko usage is up to 18% [webmasterworld.com]). Usage among non-geeks is expected to grow as more positive mainstream press reports [webmasterworld.com] recommend ditching IE for Firefox.
  • Firefox.com (Score:3, Informative)

    by 16K Ram Pack ( 690082 ) <tim.almond@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Sunday September 19, 2004 @01:22PM (#10291654) Homepage
    BTW Kevin Karpenske has kindly donated firefox.com to the project.

    Nice one Kevin.

  • by shoemakc ( 448730 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @01:29PM (#10291692) Homepage
    Comon guys, we can do better then that....
    #!/bin/bash
    #Boost the Firefox Hit counter

    DATE=date +%m%Y

    until [ "$DATE" = "092050" ]
    do
    wget -P /tmp/ http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/0.10/Firefox%20Setup%201.0PR.exe
    rm -f /tmp/Firefox%20Setup%201.0PR.exe
    done
  • by MicroBerto ( 91055 ) on Sunday September 19, 2004 @01:51PM (#10291788)
    I worked as an engineer this summer at a plant, and talk to the workers on the floor all the time (think your average manufacturing workers, lots of hillbillies, lots of country boys, most smarter than you'd think)

    some of them are starting to ask me about this Mozilla thing! You know it's catching fire when the gun-toting hunting types want to know about it.

    How'd they hear about it? Some anti-adware programs and stuff recommend installing it.

    So 2 points - it's getting out there (obviously), and word of mouth is still the best tool - and with an app as slick as Firefox, you're going to get plenty of that

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