The Changing Face Of Campus Tech 346
SeaDour writes "CNET News has an interesting perspective on the changing face of technology on campus. These days, students are showing more interest in the tech perks that campuses have to offer, and universities are taking notice. Duke University, for example, just gave away free iPods to each of their 1,650 incoming freshman. Penn State offers subsidized access to Napster 2.0 for all students, and many other schools are now considering similar programs with Rhapsody and Cdigix. Perhaps the best offering is wireless internet access, which 90% of campuses now offer in some form. Are we seeing the day when college students make their school of choice not based solely on academics or athletics, but also on tech freebies like these?"
Freebies ? (Score:5, Insightful)
thousands of dollars a year in school fees is not really "free"
its about as free as in "buy 1 get 1 free"
you are paying for it, maybe you should ask questions like
"why are my school tuition fees being spent on frivilous sundries benefiting 3rd party companies instead of improving my schools educational resources"
insert subject here: (Score:5, Insightful)
"Freebies" my ass. Do you have any idea what tuition is up to these days? Anyone who thinks that either the students or taxpayers didn't pay for that nifty Napster service or shiny iPod's must not have majored in Econ. The iPod's I don't much care about; at least Apple has a record of being kind to educational institutions and new uses will be devised. To hell with the industry lapdog known as Napster; the only reason the schools purchase it for their students is to get a reprieve from the flood of lawsuits. I guarantee, even if the p2p traffic from the campus doubles, we won't see any new lawsuits.
How are they free? (Score:5, Insightful)
Freebies? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even most schools that have these Napster like services make the students pay for music. I wouldn't exactly call that free.
Good schools will still attract students based on academic reputation, not on freebies.
Scholarships? (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course (Score:5, Insightful)
But it seems to me that these technology items really fall into "academics"; e.g., some schools have better facilities or faculty than another for some particular discipline, and it could be argued that decisions based on that fall under the general guise of "academics", so why not this?
Not the way I see it :-P (Score:5, Insightful)
On a separate note, if Penn State jumped on the iPod bandwagon, it would be not be compatible with its new Napster agreement. Screw that.
Re:Welcome to a decade ago (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a bad idea IMO (Score:1, Insightful)
Pimping the Freshman (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Pimping the Freshman (Score:3, Insightful)
They're portable hard drives. What don't they have to with education? I wish my school gave me one for my graphic arts program. Maybe then we wouldn't have been messing around with Zip discs and trying to squeeze 100MB Photoshop files onto a 64MB thumb drive. And yes there are other solutions but an iPod is a nice one.
Re:Not only WiFi, but Internet2 as well (Score:1, Insightful)
I definitely chose my college based on its reputation and academics, not its technical infrastructure. Besides, these days a top-notch school has to have _some_ wi-fi, as well as fast internet in the dorms. Though my school rolled out Rhapsody this year (at $2 a month) I don't have any interest in it.
However, if the school had a transfer limit of 1 GB/week, or had a packetshaper, I might reconsider living in their dorms.
As the value of an education declines... (Score:4, Insightful)
As tuition prices skyrocket, and salaries decline, the value of a college education drops. It makes sense that campuses will start offering "perks" that appeal to 17 year olds to make them go to their schools.
I mean, students are paying $120,000 or more for that "free" iPod, but a high school student doesn't understand about student loans or what that money actually represents.
universities are virtual corporations nowdays (Score:3, Insightful)
It seems that these days universities are corporations themselves. In this darwinistic neoliberal state that America has become, universities are practically preying on the students, like some sort of scamming ripoff joint. What differnce is there between the rapacious check cashing stores and tax refund outlets that prey upon the urban poor, and these fucking universities that set up these kids with tens of thousands of dallars in debt so they can get a BA from some cow college?
It is SO sad what has happened to this country. When I got out of the Navy in California in 1981, the education counselors at the exit interview told me I could attend university there and pay a pittance in tuition, all while drawing $1100/month to go to school. Back in those days, one could draw unemployment as a student.
It was all paid for by taxes back in those days--the top tax rate for the rich was like 70% back then.
Re:Welcome to a decade ago (Score:5, Insightful)
Did you go to a school without a sports program? They haven't much of a point, other than to draw in prospective students and build the college's name up ("they have such an excellent basketball team that I can't imagine they'd employ professors of poor quality!").
Nearly every school spends money to attract students; often they'll intentionally misrepresent the school to in one way or another to attract students. Why? Because, like every other institution, they must perpetuate or die. The latter alternative is the less pleasant one.
nope (Score:2, Insightful)
far more traditional factors determine choice of university in my i'm-a-first-year-student-in-university opinion. where i come from, its all about the reputation of the university in question, and the weight a degree from the university will carry in your resume.
between universities of similar 'repute' it then comes down to stuff like school culture, how 'happening' it is, the course-specifics (like whether Law is taught better in institution A or B) etc.
freebies? nah. these add to the overall first impression of the university (like cufflinks do on a shirt), but do not represent a material factor in decision making.
Re:Deeply obvious (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Welcome to a decade ago (Score:3, Insightful)
LSU is definatly not Free. (Score:3, Insightful)
Ditto here in Baton Rouge, TANSTAAFL, what's offered as "free" is pathetic and getting more costly and dumber all the time. LSU has charged a "tech fee" for years that's a significant percentage of the actual tuition. This fee is getting larger and they are now considering a laptop requirement on top of it.
The money is being spent but it's all controlled tightly and not very flexible. They have more computers than they can shake a stick out, most running Winblows, monitored and wired to your account. Linux is making a showing, and may take off, but you must press "I submit" every time you use one. They also have Internet2, federally funded, and a great local net, even wireless, but all of it is non free and strictly controlled. IT won't let you put so much as a hub onto a line and the wifi requires some goofy client. In short, I do better and feel less monitored elsewhere.
For all the control, you would think things would run well. Nope. Worms actually shut down their email system this summer and they have banned attachments. The control does little other than inconvenience honest users.
Napster? I hope LSU is not dumb enough to pay that extortion, but they keep talking like greed heads. A great emphasis has recently been placed on "IP" and they now claim ownership of all student ideas as well as faculty and staff. Well, OK, you can keep your poetry and other work of marginal monetary value because the RIAA or big publishers will get it. Chummy, eh? You rape these, I'll rape those.
The dumbest thing I think I've heard so far is that the student government is considering a laptop requirement. They think they can hook everyone up to a M$ Active Directory, so Winblows is part of the requirement and neither of my fully functional laptops will do. Yes, this ignores the excellent Paws system run by IBM, but don't all clueless "I want M$ crap" initiatives like that ignore less costly and superior available services? While I can't imagine any network able to hold 50,000 instances of Active directory, I can imagine what will happen when 50,000 wormy laptops hit the net every fall. NOTHING. No email, no class registration, nothing but mass pandemonium and sleepless nights for the campus IT staff.
Campus Tech? (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyway, I moved off campus. In fact, the company that I have internet with right now really stinks... they claim it's high-speed, up to 1.5 mbps, but my last dslreports.com speedtest pulled 22... thats 22 kilobits a second, not bytes.
If I want 28.8 access, I'll get my DeLorean and move back to 1997. So anyway, I'm about to drop this company and pick up another one. Living off campus is nice, and honestly, after I figured in all of the costs that your 'room&board' on campus doesn't cover (like parking), it was actually LESS expensive to live off-campus.
Re:Freebies ? (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you're wrong there - spelling, grammar and writing are not getting worse; it's just that the spelling, writing and grammar of the masses is now more public - when things were hand written, or machine typed; there was only one copy, and the professor had it.
Now that everything exists on the computer, whole essays are uploaded - usually poor ones, for making fun of, or as bad examples. There are still gem essays out there that get 95% with no spelling mistakes, and perfect grammar, but someone who invests 200 hours into every essay they write, most likely, does not upload it onto the internet for the world to see - What you see is the lowest common denominator made public by the miracle of communication.
Not that I'm trying to nitpick unnecessarily or anything, but your message proves that people think that just because they type things into the computer, that they don't have to worry about proofreading their document, checking basic spelling. People make careless and stupid mistakes! It's really sad!
Re:Welcome to a decade ago (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Welcome to a decade ago (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Buying students (Score:4, Insightful)
Everyone who gets federal loans has to go through entrance councling about what they're getting themselves into. So here's why federal loans are hardly a "go to college for free deal". First, there are only two ways to get out of a federal loan without paying - either die, or become so severely disabled that you're no longer able to function and hold a job. Bancrupcy does not absolve you of federal loans. If you're in default, the government can garnish your wages and your tax return until you're paid off. Additionally, your school will withhold your records if you're in default of your loans, so if you're applying for a new job or a professional license or something, your school will not release your transcript. Schools have a vested interest in making sure their students pay back their federal loans, because if the percecentage of their students who are in default gets too high, the government will stop giving that school's students federal loans. So if you're planning to live off the grid after you graduate, then yes, federal loans are free money.
Re:Welcome to a decade ago (Score:2, Insightful)
Our department recently had to implement a purge policy for email because students leave all of their junk in the inbox. I've heard bitching about people losing important things? WTF, if it was important why didn't you download it, move it from the inbox to a folder, or send it to an account from a provider in the business of providing you with email..... You had 120 days to do it! People don't maintain their systems like they should, they spam, spread viruses, you name it. I've seen some ridiculous things happening because of kids sitting in a dorm room who think they know everything.
The MORE liberal the policy, the worse things will be. It'd be nice to rely on common sense etc. but it doesn't work!
Re:Welcome to a decade ago (Score:3, Insightful)
Giving away iPods to individual students might be a minor incentive in itself, but what's really significant about this is that by giving them to ALL students changes the environment of the entire school..
Frankly, though, I think it would me more effective to build the infrastructure to make PDAs extraordinarly useful so that students buy the devices on their own. For example deliver course schedules, syllibus details, campus maps, textbook info, annoucements, class notes and handouts, etc. to PDAs - and make it easy to sync via either wireless connections or IR.