University Tests Legal File Downloading System 260
philospher writes "Dorm students at Northern Illinois University are testing a legal file downloading service. It is made by Ruckus Network, and was developed by a group of MIT students. NIU pays 5$ a month per student, and the students can get music, movies, TV shows, local content and community features. Sounds a lot better than having the RIAA sending you a court summons."
Yay... (Score:5, Insightful)
Nothing new here. Move along.
Good use (Score:5, Insightful)
$5/month is nothing... (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me get this straight... (Score:5, Insightful)
This begs a few observations:
There is no way this service will make it into the real world at this price.
or
This service is not legal.
or
My rectum problems are NOT due to a lack of fiber in my diet.
Not to nitpick... (Score:2, Insightful)
No offense, but WTF does that mean? Made and developed are essentially synonyms in this case. I often wonder why so many poorly worded submissions make it to the front page of Slashdot. Is it because putting anything in quotes seems to remove all responsibility from the editor? Or is it sheer ignorance. I understand that the English language is a nasty, irregular bastard of a language, but for the love of corn let's try to be professional. And if I see one more "Microsoft are developing" or "Google have updated" or any other such nonsense I'm going to have to beat the living shit out of an ignorant bastard. An entity, even if it is comprised of many individuals, should be treated as singular because it is. I'll stop with the common sense lesson, but if you want people to honestly pay attention to what's important, don't let your poor writing get in the way. Believe me, it's a distraction, and for even more close-minded individuals than myself it can be a complete turn-off. Thanks for your attention.
Re:$5/month is nothing... (Score:4, Insightful)
It's conceivable that enough people would switch from downloading stuff from Kazaa to Napster to actually save on bandwidth use where it counts, namely the backbone from the school network out into the real world.
Re:Don't waste my money! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Yay... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Pay us $5/student or risk being sued."
Doesn't sound like "sales" to me.
Re:Yay... (Score:5, Insightful)
That's what makes me angry... The college I go to signed a deal with iTunes, which basically means that students will be forced to pay an RIAA tax in their tuition, regardless of whether the students actually use the service or not. In my case, I don't want to use iTunes, and since there's no Linux client I can't use it anyway (yes, I know about the Crossover Office story a few days ago, but I'm not going to install Crossover Office to use the iTunes software I don't want). Also, going to a private college is expensive enough without bring forced to pay for academically useless things such as iTunes. Personally, I think it should be at the most an opt-in program: that is, students who wanted to use iTunes would opt-in to the program which would be organized by the college, and the fee would be added to their bill. In that case, any student that did not want to participate in that program would not sign up, and those who did want to participate would sign up. Then again, since when was there reason in the music downloading discussion?
content is king (Score:5, Insightful)
The most popular downloads, which also account for the greatest bandwith used, are things like the latest DVD movies, theatre camera captures, popular albums. That's a simple fact, whether it's legal or not.
I can't believe Ruckus or any other small media company is ever going to be able to offer these kinds of downloads on their networks. I mean, is WB going to make a deal with them so that they can distribute movies at $5/month right at the same time as those movies are released in theatres?
So then, what kind of content *can* they distribute? Movies that came out two years ago, or Britney Spears' very first album, I guess. The same stuff that's on free to air TV.
In that case, there is still going to be alternative "illegal" networks for sharing the latest popular media, and I suspect that the illegal networks will stay much more popular.
Re:Don't waste my money! (Score:4, Insightful)
(It sounds like this will just be within the university.)
In campus network is much, much, much cheaper than the backbone out to the Internet. (For example, CMU has gigabit. So downloading within the campus would be almost free.) You increase the total exchange, but decrease the volume of transfer at the bottleneck.
Re:Don't waste my money! (Score:3, Insightful)
With a total undergraduate population of 15,800, you can rest assured that the final tally will come to less than $2.4 million. But that's not the point.
The point is, this has nothing to do with academia. This service won't help you get your Bachelor's degree in Computer Science. It won't help you at all. It reminds me of that futurama episode where they go to Mars University:
Would you send your kid to that college? Would you want to go to that college? Maybe.
Why is the university paying? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Legal" file downloading system? (Score:4, Insightful)
File downloading services are not, in and of themselves, legal or illegal. They simply exist. What makes file downloading systems legal or illegal is what people do with them.
Much like Grokster and Kazaa were recently ruled to not violate the law, FTP, HTTP, Samba, AppleTalk, and other file transfer technologies are perfectly legal.
The title would be better stated as "University tests new copyright management system". That's what this system really is, an RIAA sanctioned music distribution system wrapped in DRM.
Define Illegal (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the problem with the current debate. It seems that "file downloading" has become "illegal" in general because of the political campaigns by the RIAA/MPAA to change the way we think. This is more than a little wrong. Just because the *AAs say it is wrong or illegal, does not make it so. These are the same people who claimed that Spiderman [I] did not make any money so they would not have to pay Stan Lee.
All file sharing systems, yes, including P2P, are capable of and indeed to share lots of legal files every day. There is no "system" for legal downloads. All systems can carry legal downloads.
This is a system for controlled sales of *AAs products. Warning. Lanugage, when used in the wrong way, can be hazardous to your freedom.
Re:Good idea (Score:5, Insightful)
If you don't pay mafia protection fees, then "bad things happen to you".
If you don't pay the RIAA for its monthly fee or buy it's content, then the only things that could happen to you (such as not listening to Britney Spears) are good.
If you're referring to the court cases brought against people who were file-sharing and infringing on copyrights, then I don't think a monthly college file sharing fee protects you if you continue to file-share copyrighted works that aren't part of the deal. It's safe to assume if you pay a $5 a month college file-sharing fee, then rip your copy of Lord of the Rings and put it up on eMule, you can very well still find yourself in court.
Stop with the knee jerk quip karma bait comments.
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Insightful)
Despite the standover tactics (and I agree they're mafia-esque), they offer a product. The grandparent post values being able to gain access to the content at $5 a month, who the hell are you to say he shouldn't get access to it?
What happens if grandparent poster likes Britney Spears? Who are you to say it's good for him not to get access to it?
And if he feels the moral obligation to pay for access, and feels $5/all you can eat content is fair, then let him pay.
It will depend on what's made available. I don't think $5 a month is unreasonable, and from what the article says it seems a lot of students agree with that point of view.
ha! That's rich coming from the guy who posted about how the RIAA is the root of all evil when someone said they might be interested in the service mentioned!
-- james
True, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Reality Check (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Insightful)
Mafia?
Don't stir the pot.
Talk about bad analogies.
It might be even semi useable if people were, oh, say, stealing from the mafia or bootlegging mafia ice capades shows, and the mafia rolled out a nationwide $5/month "extended service plan," but they're not.
It's not paying a protection fee. The RIAA isnt going to swoop down on you for not doing anything wrong. Maybe once in a while, but I bet you there are more "oops" mob hits than there are "oops" RIAA hits.
Not to stick up for the RIAA, but this licensing is not bad at all. It's better than you'll get with sites like Rhapsody or anywhere else - cheapest Ive seen is ten bucks and I'll tell you, for the subscription rate, you don't get a lot - most artists (and almost _all_ "charting" artists) don't license their stuff for streaming - only purchase.
Re:Yay... (Score:2, Insightful)
If you make this an opt-in program, why not make other things you don't care for opt-in as well? Don't like your school's fencing program? Don't want to subsidize football jerseys? And what if your camps is blighted with a Starbucks in your student union? Surely a small part of your tuition has gone to make that possible. Granted I'm exaggerating a little, but when you start complaining about paying for non-essential academic stuff, where do you stop?
Re:Yay... (Score:4, Insightful)
Now, since it's that DRM encoded garbage AAC or whatever, you're going to want to strip that crap out.
Use Hymn [hymn-project.org] for that. Now add your unlocked song to your collection in iTunes. Use iTune's built in "CONVERT TO MP3" feature, which it will do nicely and you now have a file you can use on your Linux machine. iTunes has a built in converter that works really well, but it won't convert it's own DRM protected trash. So once you've taken that out....
There are a few things to note. First off, when iTunes converts it to MP3 it will grow in size, nearly almost double it's original depending on the content. Next, your MP3 player has to support variable rate MP3s, which most do.
I know supporting iTunes is kind of like saying you accept DRM, but if you have to pay for it then use it the way you want. After all, You paid and can't listen to it on your chosen platform. Exercise your fair rights!
Re:content is king (Score:3, Insightful)
Part of the reason for the existence of sharing networks is a direct reaction against that model, for example sharing DVDs because world wide distribution is scheduled a year later, but advertising hype creates a demand right now, even as far as unscheduled countries.
So if companies like Ruckus etc. play according to the RIAA/MPAA rules, then they have a slot available to them somewhere next to the cable companies, which means that their sharing networks don't address all the issues (eg movies which take a year to be released outside the US etc.), and won't make a big dent in the proliferation of illegal sharing networks.
Re:Yay... (Score:3, Insightful)
Only because they earned that criticism by their refusal to adapt to technological change. Many people have already delegated the former powerful record labels to the dustbins of history that include the carraige makers of the nineteenth century. They had their chance and the screwed up by choosing to sue people rather than offer a solution that would benefit all.
Hell, RIAA should start paying P2P... (Score:2, Insightful)
If they'd only have a brain amongst them....
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What ever happened to going to college to learn? (Score:3, Insightful)
If you're going to be in college/uni soon I would highly recommend that you don't view it as an opportunity to get laid, a way to hone your counterstrike skills, or a chance to vastly improve your music and dvd collection.
Re:Good idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Makes it easier but does not solve the problem. (Score:2, Insightful)
I've met with Company Management (Score:2, Insightful)
Students can request any song in the 700,000 song library (or whatever the current downloadable music library size is) and if it isn't already on their on-campus server, the server will go get it elsewhere and store it for future downloads. The students can take as much music as they want, but they will NOT NOT NOT be able to transfer these off their computer by any means: mp3 player, burning to CD/DVD.
Let me say that again. They will NOT be able to copy, burn, transfer these files by any means. If they want to do this, they pay the $0.99 per song going rate to get the song in Windows Media format. From that point on, they can copy that song because they own it, and it will come with all the trappings of Windows Media DRM.
Every college campus gets a custom Ruckus website, where students can publish their playlists, and if you like it, you can then download the playlist from the Ruckus server.
Insofar as movies, the reason you can't get movies newer than 4 years old is because of all the deals in place with video rental places, movie theaters, HBO, etc. But, they point out a large segment for demand are cult classics which would be available for download.
I've met with Company management, and this is all from their presentation.
-evilplushtoy
Re:Good idea (Score:3, Insightful)
nor have I ever had a copy of Delphi 7. But they could cut off my Internet connection and put me out of work without so much as a by-your-leave, and my only recourse would be to spend more money than I make in a year to get a lawyer in order to get a whisper of a hint of a chance of convincing some bought-and-paid-for judge to force my cable company to provide service to me, laws saying that they don't have to do so notwithstanding.
Yeah, my whole family has to live in fear of RIAA/MPAA/BSA barratry because our legal system is corrupt. It sucks. That's why I support assassination politics, the only meaningful form of democracy that's left.
Re:Good idea (Score:5, Insightful)
The same kind of thing happens in society, but it's especially true in a university setting. You are getting access to amazing stuff because of the economy of scale of the students that are there. You get to use science and electronics lab equipment that you could never hope to afford. You get to use expensive software packages--autocad and such--that you could not get, gym and fitness facilities, high speed internet, etc., etc. Plus if you act now, you'll also get this great education that will help you get a job! And here's the best part: it's not like taxes where you have to pay it. If you don't like the service package of a university, DON'T GO. Or if you prefer, go to a smaller college or community college that is cheaper and has less features. Would you whine and cry about some place that sells a $15,000 computer that's packed with features you would never use? Instead, choose the one that has the things you do want at a reasonable price.