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P2P vs. The Clones 289

smash writes "Rebranding software then loading it with spyware and adware (or just selling it for profit) has become a recent trend with oversea individuals trying to make a few bucks. We all remember the KaZaA Gold, don't we? Shareaza, which recently went open source under the GPL, has been subject to a similar type of theft by a company going by the name RockSoft Development. Surprisingly enough, their software labelled as 'Go Music' hasn't been pulled from C|Net's after more than a week."
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P2P vs. The Clones

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  • by tepples ( 727027 ) <> on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:19PM (#9953915) Homepage Journal

    The solution, unfortunately, would seem to be to add more restrictions to the licenses, similar to how the you-cannot-sell-this-software-for-more-than-the-co st-of-copying-and-the-media clause works.

    What clause? Gnucleus, Shareaza, and eMule are licensed under the GNU General Public License. This license lets a redistributor sell copies or digital deliveries of a covered program provided that the source code is either included or available at cost.

  • Re:Best P2P client? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Coke in a Can ( 577836 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:23PM (#9953944)
    I use a combination of eMule, BitTorrent, and DC++. eMule is great for small files like MP3s and files that have been out for a long time (and therefore BT won't have many peers). BitTorrent is great, naturally, for big stuff that's popular. DC++, I just use for use with friends on my private registered-users-only hub.
  • by pavon ( 30274 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:25PM (#9953953)
    This doesn't change the main point of your argument, but you are slightly misinformed about what the GPL says about selling software. The GPL allows you to take the software and sell it at any price you want, bundled or not. However, you must either

    A) include the source with sold binary, or
    B) make it available seperately at additional cost.

    It is just this additional cost that is limited to reasonable compensation.
  • by forlornhope ( 688722 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:26PM (#9953964) Homepage
    Not exactly correct. Acctually very wrong. First, the GPL doesn't say you can't sell a piece of software. You actually can and many people do(Red Hat, SUSE, etc.).

    To counter the rest of your argument, its unclear as to how far the GPL extends, but some people read it to say that if you distribute GPL source inside your _product_ the product must be licenced under the GPL. This is because the definition of a Derivative Work is kind of hazey as far as software is concerned. It sounds like these people took the shareza software and created a derived product called Go Music that now includes SpyWare. So it may be possible for the developers of Shareza to demand the release of all the source including the spyware. Oh, and the GPL doesn't give people unlimited rights to include your code anywhere. The distribution of your code is governed by a very strict set of rules and if they don't, they deal with copyright law which is no fun.
    I think the Go Music people are in trouble wrt copyright, though I may be wrong.
  • by NeoThermic ( 732100 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:37PM (#9954034) Homepage Journal
    Or, use the service which is free, and has been for a while:

    SnapFiles []

  • by Artega VH ( 739847 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:45PM (#9954097) Journal
    being a bit more specific

    From the GPL: "1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program.

    You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."

    And from the GPL FAQ: "Yes. You can charge any fee you wish for distributing a copy of the program. If you distribute binaries by download, you must provide "equivalent access" to download the source--therefore, the fee to download source may not be greater than the fee to download the binary." but note that "The right to sell copies is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special situation, there is no limit on what price you can charge. (The one exception is the required written offer to provide source code that must accompany binary-only release.)"
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:46PM (#9954101)
    I, too, have traveled down that road. Having 99% of some large file done, only to find out that apparently nobody has the final little chunk. I use eMule, and as of version 0.43b there is an attribute "Percentage of complete sources" (or something) that tells you the percentage of sources with that file who have the COMPLETE file. So, if that number is 0%, don't bother trying to download it because some piece is forever lost. This is especially annoying with porn movies, where you can preview part of it and the part that is missing seems like it should be good! I had an archive file I was trying to download (like 400MB or so) and I could only complete 95%. Using the preview function didn't recover some necessary files in the archive, so I kept looking for that file for a couple months. After a while, I just gave up because NOBODY seemed to have the missing piece, so I just deleted it. I would advise you to do the same thing, it will make life much less frustrating!
  • by BlueCup ( 753410 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:56PM (#9954164) Homepage Journal
    I'll give it a shot...

    Back in days of yore, Kazaa was given away for free for people to download to connect to the fast track netword. Then someone came along and modded the program, and created kazaa-lite. This gave users many added benefits, and made getting files easier. But, the changes were freely available, and then a company took those changes, renamed them, "gave" them away on a website that required your email address, and they bundled a ton of spyware crap in (not that the regular Kazaa didn't already start out with enough of that as it was.

    If you want to see the evil that is Kazaa Gold, it still exists, and can be found here []... just don't download it =) forms of Kazaa Lite can still be found if anyone must use the Fast Track network... =) hope this helped.
  • by sinner0423 ( 687266 ) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {3240rennis}> on Thursday August 12, 2004 @07:59PM (#9954190)
    Doesn't the original KaZaA client have it's own spyware? I don't see a reason to cry over someone robbing a company of spyware revenue in favor of their own spyware revenue. Now, if someone robs the client to remove the spyware altogether (like KaZaA Lite supposedly did), I'm all for that.

    Kazaa came bundled with a client for BDE [] which was used to sell your spare cpu cycles to someone else. Basically like a huge distributed computing project, that the end user had absolutely no idea about.. I believe this single act kick-started the whole anti-adware/spyware movement.

    I'd recommend using KazaaLite K++, which has removed all of the extra FUD. Although, good luck finding a legitimate download. 98% of the files on Kazaa are fakes, planted by the RIAA to dissuade you from downloading music. In the end, it is not going to matter what client you use, if all of the files on the network are bogus.
  • Re:Hahaha.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 12, 2004 @08:05PM (#9954221)
    In the context of computers, "pirate" is a shorter name for "copyright infringer." It's been this way since the first Apple ][ game was copied from one floppy to another. Deal with it.

    In this context, "pirate" refers to a roaming stealer of ships as much as "mouse" refers to a furry animal. When you start closing your "windows" to stop the draft coming through your monitor, you can start getting incensed by the use of the word "pirate."
  • by Monty845 ( 739787 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @08:25PM (#9954406)
    Actually there is some precedent for being charged with stealing free things, for instance in some states its a crime to steal a free newspaper, granted you need to take a bunch for it to count, but if you take 100s they can charge you...
  • by Saeed al-Sahaf ( 665390 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @08:33PM (#9954454) Homepage
    i couldnt find the part where you arent allowed to sell gnu software. you just have to supply the source

    You're quite correct. Many people do not understand the GPL. There is no problem at all selling GPLd software for whatever price you like, and you don't even have to be the author. This is a fact.

  • by rgriff59 ( 526951 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @10:36PM (#9955195)
    There seems to be some fixation with a requirement to distribute source if it is modified. Just for clarity, it is the distribution, not the modification, that brings with it the source requirement as indicated in this quote from the GPL []:
    For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
    Anyone can sell a GPL'ed binary, or give it away, barter it, whatever. But the act of distributing it in any form requires the distributor to also provide access to the source on request.
  • by Blic ( 672552 ) on Thursday August 12, 2004 @11:04PM (#9955320)
    Everyone's favorite torrent site has two knockoffs - and (both seem to be the same ripoff site) that want you to sign up with an email address before using them, past which who knows? I'm not gonna check.

    Maybe they have spyware laden versions of the BitTorrent client and who knows if they just steal listings from or link there directly...

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