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One Year After September 11 1974

One year ago today, at 9:12 eastern, we posted World Trade Towers and Pentagon Attacked amidst the events of that day. Since Slashdot is really just a discussion site, I felt the most appropriate way to handle this anniversary is to simply do just that. I hadn't read those stories since the day it happened, and I really am at a loss for words. But I'm sure many of you won't be. And thanks to OSDN for turning banner ads off for the day.
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One Year After September 11

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  • OSDN (Score:1, Interesting)

    by oliverthered ( 187439 ) <oliverthered&hotmail,com> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:13AM (#4236345) Journal
    Umm... have you read the comments [freshmeat.net] about OSDN turning off banner adds, there's very little thanks to be had, the first posts neer the bottom of the page make for the best read.
  • by i_want_you_to_throw_ ( 559379 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:15AM (#4236357) Journal
    I felt at home on Slashdot with my fellow geeks. Being a military contractor and close to the situation, it felt like the worst kind of violation that day.

    Reading the kind words of the slashdot community was a tremendous help and I realized that there were others who were searching for folks in the attacks, some not as lucky as myself.

    It's a spirited place but it is a site that feels like family.
  • by teslatug ( 543527 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:16AM (#4236360)
    Anyone else feel that it is wrong for the media to cover this story so in depth, and ultimately make money on those that died and their families. I have decided not to watch any coverage. I remember very well what happened. Is any station doing coverage without any comercials? Or at least, is there one that is donating the amount they're making above what they usually do?
  • by cyb3r0ptx ( 106843 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:17AM (#4236366)
    Some thoughts on this day of "rememberance" ca be found here [king-online.com] and here [fredoneverything.net]. Another interesting thing is that all the major networks have decided to not show advertisements out of "respect". The truth is that they can't sell the time so they put a nice spin on it.
  • US Response (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mary_will_grow ( 466638 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:17AM (#4236368)
    This is a question I hear around the office all day long. How does the american public at large, or in this case, the slashdot community, feel about the response America has had to the attack on september 11th?
    I personally feel we are continuing to provoke such things through our economic agenda, and that what bush's policy has been shortsighted and really retro-active. Others feel that the world climate is changing for the worst, and we simply need to start protecting ourselves more. What do you think?
  • by Zephy ( 539060 ) <jon@aez i s .net> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:17AM (#4236371) Homepage
    Our Workplace turned off the phone system, and announced the silence over the company email and it was quite an emotional occasion as many of us had colleagues working near and in the towers that day. Did anyone else's workplace do something similar (outside of the US that is), and what did you do?
  • Rememberance (Score:2, Interesting)

    by BShive ( 573771 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:19AM (#4236393) Homepage
    Remembering 9/11 and what happened is important, and will continue to be important. However, the media in general seems to be back to it's same old self. Tons of 'tribute' and 'what happened' shows that won't do any justice to the events. Pick your own way to respect those past.
  • by Wingchild ( 212447 ) <brian.kern@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:23AM (#4236430)
    September 11th, 2001:

    I was consulting at a company in Rockville, a few miles outside the district. I heard the first plane had hit while I was listening to WGMS, DC's classical station; figured it for a Cessna or something. After I hit my desk I knew something was wrong when I couldn't hit a major news site for confirmation of the story.

    We switched the news on; we had a big TV with DirecTV on it in the company kitchen. I had stepped away to try and get word to friends about what had happened, using instant messenging apps, when the second plane hit.

    The people in our kitchen reached the instantaneous conclusion that this was not accidental. We watched as the towers burned, saw them fall, heard about the Pentagon being hit. My company employed 65 people there; were they okay?

    Workers left to take their children home. I left around 1pm, with F16s and helicopters covering the sky of the DC metro area.

    I called my family. They were trying to reach me but couldn't get through due to circuits being jammed. They were terrified that I was there; too many rumors, too little verification that day for us all.

    September 11th, 2002:

    Last November, my company deployed me to the Pentagon. It started out as one of those "for a week" things, but I wound up involved in a COOP project - Continuity of Operations - directly related to making sure a second 9/11 cannot cripple our nation's defense infrastructure. I'm sitting at my desk, thinking of how much the last year has affected my life (too much work, constant stress, a divorce..) and knowing that the majority of the things that have happened to me of late can be directly traced back to 9/11; were it not for that attack, I would not be where I am now.

    I do not know if things are for the better. All I know is that I have been called on to use my meager technical skills to help my country when it was sorely needed. I'm doing my part to make sure we make it through.

    Would that we all could do the same.
  • by Jay Maynard ( 54798 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:24AM (#4236440) Homepage
    I was in Manhattan, at the northern end of Central Park. I'd turned on the TV in my hotel room to catch a weather forecast, since I was due to visit a customer at 90 William Street - three blocks from the WTC - at 11, and wanted to know whether I'd need an umbrella.

    After seeing that it would be a nice, pretty day, I left the TV on. I was watching when they broke into the Today Show to report a fire at the WTC. I stayed glued to the TV as they showed the second airplane crashing into the other tower, and the fires raging, and people jumping out of windows, and the towers collapsing, and the resulting images are forever graven into my mind.

    Early on, I dialed up with my laptop. I wasn't one of the folks besieging Slashdot, but I did stay on IRC for hours, talking about what I saw. That turned out to be my only reliable communications channel. My cellphone was completely useless. I got more than a few phone calls from anxious relatives that I couldn't return because the lines were jammed. I finally asked a friend to call my parents in Houston and let them know I was fine and several miles away.

    This past July 4 weekend, a friend and I visited Mount Rushmore. At the end of the day, we went to one of the Western dinner theater places out there. Most of the way through the show, they sang a song, "Where Were You When the World Changed?", about that day. I wound up having to leave in tears, as it brought back memories of that day, and how I couldn't get in touch with anyone except over the net. I don't know who wrote it (I asked, but have since forgotten the name - it was some country star), but he did a great job of capturing the feeling for the rest of us.

  • by Anne_Nonymous ( 313852 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:28AM (#4236474) Homepage Journal
    Don't worry, eventually there will be another even more evil event that will bump 9/11 down the list. People suck; count on it.
  • by Mattygfunk1 ( 596840 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:29AM (#4236478)
    It was clear that /. was a exceptional source of information that day. Every news site got hammered with hits and even the top ones crumbled under the presure.

    Despite this site slowing to a crawl itself, thanks for posting the news early and allowing those not near a television to follow the tragic events.

    interested in inventions [royalinventions.com.au]?

  • by Coplan ( 13643 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:32AM (#4236519) Homepage Journal
    They won't make money now....but they will later on.

    It's an image ploy. It's kinda like offering "Shindler's List" without commercials a couple of years ago. Everyone thinks they're a nice network...so they're more likely to watch in the future. It sounds silly, but it is a common ploy in the media.

    Our newspaper published today without any ads. A friend at the paper told me that its a nice thought, to the public...but to advertise for the next month, it's going to be much more expensive to "cover the costs of today's paper". In actuality...the paper makes out in the long run. I wouldn't put it past the TV networks to do something similar.

  • United We Stand... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jhines0042 ( 184217 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:35AM (#4236544) Journal
    United We Stand...

    Today more than ever should be a day where we realize that united we stand, divided we fall.

    Not as a nation, not as a religious group, not as a terrorist organization.

    Today we need to stand together as human beings.

    We all live on this planet together and if we can learn to live together in peace, man to man, woman to woman, country to country, religion to religion, then there is nothing that we can't achieve.

    We are one house and a house divided cannot stand.
  • Re:you forgot (Score:3, Interesting)

    by laserjet ( 170008 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:39AM (#4236593) Homepage
    You forget that the only sure "proof" of Saddam building/having weapons of mass destruction is USING those weapons. With Iraq's track record, they are not trustworthy.

    I would rather get rid of him now than wait 5 years when a missile is in the air and we all say, "damn, I guess he really did have a nuke."

  • No Offense (Score:3, Interesting)

    by I_redwolf ( 51890 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:41AM (#4236605) Homepage Journal
    I happened to be in one of the towers on 9/11. I'm sick of hearing it; I think anyone in the towers at the time are sick of hearing about this. We'd like to move on, I'm watching CNN now and I'm just disgusted, this whole thing disgusts me. Nothing but leeches, money grubbers and people trying to take away my rights dwell on 9.11

    I don't want a moment of silence; I'd like silence on the subject for a while; completely.
  • Re:US Response (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lamz ( 60321 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:44AM (#4236641) Homepage Journal

    I fear the US will drag the world into a big fucking war in the middle east we'll live to regret.

    There is no past precedence for your fear. The U.S. has dragged no one into a large scale war. Europe and Japan have dragged the U.S. into war, the U.S.S.R. initiated a long term arms buildup, but the U.S. has done nothing but defend itself and come to the aid of friends and enemies alike.

  • Sep 11 For Me (Score:5, Interesting)

    by CmdrTaco ( 1 ) <malda AT slashdot DOT org> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:46AM (#4236666) Homepage Journal
    I woke up early, planning on getting some work done and having lunch with a friend who was visiting from out of town. Ironically, her husband was stationed in Saudi, so she was home visiting her family. I first got a message on IRC from a friend saying a plane hit. Then I heard on Stern that a 2nd tower hit, and posted on Slashdot.

    I felt like a zombie for the next few days. All of Slashdot's team worked together to update stories and struggle against traffic that spiked to 3 times our usual peaks. Spare boxes were stolen for the cause and brought online. Meanwhile we did our best to make sense of what was happening along with everyone else.

    I'm still very proud of how we handled our tiny share of that day and the aftermath. I know that what we did helped some. And I seriously feel honored that I was able to help.

    I've actually been on edge all week knowing that this story was going to be posted on Slashdot. It forced me to reread much of our original coverage. It forced me to relive those frantic first minutes, and the hours, days, and weeks that followed it.

    I hope this story manages to help some others too. It has already helped me.

  • by gosand ( 234100 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:47AM (#4236677)
    It has only been a year. It is hard for me to even hear about these events, let alone see the images. I don't need to re-live them. Not yet. Maybe not ever. I am in the Chicago area, so it isn't even like I was as directly affected as those who live and work in NYC. But we were all affected in some way or another.

    I purchased a red/white/blue ribbon from a fireman at a stoplight just a few days after the attack, and it is still on my car antenna, albeit a bit dirtier now. I don't need to wear red white and blue to work today, even though it was "suggested". I don't need some kind of mandated or suggested sign of solidarity.

    I was really surprised at how soon Americans went back to their daily lives. Saddened, really. It wasn't long before I heard my first Bin Laden joke, or was emailed pictures of him with a building going up his butt, or saw a Tshirt with a target on his face. I was amazed, but not really surprised, at how quickly good ol' Americans returned to their stupid, over the top, to the EXTREME! ways. It was nice to see a flag on everyone's car. It was sad to see some cars with 30 flags on them. It was nice to see sentiments of freedom, sad to see such bravado and machismo. I kid you not, someone near where I work painted their house red, white, and blue, with big hand painted letters phrase "Justice will prevail".

    Sometimes I am very proud to be an American, but sadly sometimes I am a little embarassed. Today, I am going to be proud. Proud of the fact that we do enjoy freedoms in this country. That we try to offer it to everyone. Even if it means that you can act like an ass sometimes. That we have clean water to drink, and plenty of food to eat. That I have a beautiful wife of 3 months. Sad that corporations are so greedy and controlling, and that money is such a driving force. Sad that so many people lost their lives because of ignorance and fear. Hope - that we can all get beyond what happened a year ago, and what atrocities happen every single day on this planet. If there is a God, may she bless us all.

  • my photo tribute (Score:3, Interesting)

    by acomj ( 20611 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:48AM (#4236687) Homepage
    When I lived in NY I used to take a lot of pictures of the city, many of the towers. I pullws them together a month after the tragedy in a web photo gallery. It didn't feel right to post them to my site, so I didn't. The photos seemed more about the towers rather than the people that perished which made me uncomfortable. As time passed the pictures came to meen less and less about the tragedy and more about the human spirit that allows us to builid amazing things and go on even after a tragedy of this magnitude.

    My photos are here [plocp.com]

    also Here is New York [hereisnewyork.com] has many good photos as well.

  • by Fatal0E ( 230910 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:49AM (#4236696)
    It's weird, I don't consider myself squeamish and I used to eat lunch while me and an old boss were checking out the latest additions to Rotten.com's gallery. But I swear to god everytime I see the footage of the planes hitting the towers I get this weird feeling in the pit of my stomach. I've never had that happen before where some image has an adverse reaction on me and I cant even begin to explain it.

    And I said it last year and I'll say it again this year... I'm still really pissed off about those palistineans dancing in the streets with joy while downtown Manhattan was busy getting covered in 2 inches of soot.
  • Nuke Iraq... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by I_am_God_Here ( 413090 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:54AM (#4236752) Homepage
    before they nuke us. Saddam own mistress believes they are working on nuclear weapons. What would have happened if we had just let Hitler sit back and develop an arsenal of mass destruction?
  • What i remember. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mwjlewis ( 602559 ) <matthew@@@mwjl...com> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:54AM (#4236755) Homepage
    Sunday, I was watching the history channel and saw a special on 9/11 One year later. It gave details to how all the events played out. Things that happened months later, And while I truly appreciate them only showing the buildings on fire once, It still brought chills over my body, and almost tears to my eyes, as SO many people became only memories on that day. I remember sitting in my office (computer helpdesk for law firm) and having one of our attorney's from the NY office on the phone with me and she said "did you hear, a plane just hit one of the trade towers". At that point, I didn't honestly believe it. I was in more of a bit of shock then anything else. So as the true geek in me, I message my boss and apparently inform him of it for the first time as well, at the same time open up a web browser to the NYtimes and there it was a picture of the burning building. It still didn't look real as if it was something in a movie. This was about ten minutes after the first plane hit. Our team (helpdesk) was not sure what to do/think- Accident, terrorism/ real/fake ( although we all knew it was real, just hard to believe) shortly after the second plane hit, we were all watching TV at this time ( computer connections to the websites were well Slow) we all saw the second plane, and (hard to type) [ devastation ]. We then shortly heard there after about the Pentigon and it was really hitting close to home as the office is about 3 to 4 miles from it. There was an office staff meeting, and it was still not apparent as to just HOW serious this was. There was a Muslim guy in there, and jokingly said "I promise, I have nothing to do with it" America under attack. Finally the towers collapsed, and I have seen that video so many times, I honestly wish to NEVER see it again, it is awful to believe and imagine that SO Many good people died on that day. My thoughts and prayers out to the not just the victims, or their families and friends, but to the entire world, because on that day as the entire world was affected, Not just the USA. What was the point of this post, It started because of the drive with your lights on, on 9/11 thread. Maybe I just want to remember all those that lost their lives on that day, and to those that lost loved ones on that day. No comments or words will ever bring that loved one back, but you can always cherish their memories and remember the good times with them.
  • www.wherewereyou.org (Score:3, Interesting)

    by phillymjs ( 234426 ) <slashdot AT stango DOT org> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:55AM (#4236763) Homepage Journal
    Have you posted your story on wherewereyou.org? [wherewereyou.org]

    I discovered the site about a month and a half ago, and the posts are mostly interesting glimpses of other people's lives as feces met fan blades on America's Bad Day. I revisit the site every few days to read the newest posts, and found that posting my own account of where I was and what I did and felt, was oddly therapeutic.

  • by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @09:58AM (#4236789) Homepage Journal
    It sounds cheesy, but it's true. I lived in a small midwest city, and my friends and I were absolutely starved for news. I'll always remember coming to Slashdot and reading the first-hand accounts of the terror, the grief, the joy of finding out that a loved one was safe...

    My eyes are watering as I type this - it's coming back a little too clearly. I'll never forget that day, though, when I learned exactly how big our community is, and how close it can be.

    God bless all of you today. Hug someone today and tell them that you love them. Be with family. Live to post another day.

  • One request (Score:5, Interesting)

    by analog_line ( 465182 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @10:05AM (#4236856)
    I won't ask that you put aside your political differences in this time of national mourning. I'm not.

    I won't ask that you give up your rights quietly because 9/11 shows that those rights will be our downfall if we continue to have them. I won't and I don't buy that.

    I won't ask that you give up fighting because 9/11 shows that nothing can be solved by war, and that only peace will succeed in making the world a safer place. Far better and more righteous people than I have tried to end war and have failed miserably.

    I won't ask you to rise up against the US government for its brutality and evil around the world that caused us to be attacked. Every other nation is just as evil, and has just as horrifying skeletons in their closet. America is just happening now. No amount of wrong done excuses what the hijackers, and those who helped plan and fund the hijacking did.

    I won't ask you to condemn or absolve Muslims as a group for the actions and beliefs of some that called themselves Muslim.

    I won't try to convince you that the lives of those murdered were in any way more or less important than the lives of Israelis killed in suicide bombings, the lives of Palestinians killed by Israeli solders and civillians, the lives of Vietnamese women and children murdered by American soldiers at the Mi Lai Massacre, those that died when nuclear weapons were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, those that died at the Battle of Pearl Harbor, or any other life lost. They aren't. A life is a life, whomever's it is.

    All I ask is that you remember the dead. In the end, that's the best any of us can hope for after we die in this world. No amount of war or peace will bring them back to life. Whatever existence is or isn't waiting after life ends, memory is all that is left of the person in this world. Remember the dead, and be glad you are alive, because it could have been you on those planes, in the World Trade Towers, or the Pentagon. Remember the families and friends and their loss, because it could have been your friend, or brother, or sister, or mother, or father who died that day. Remember their loss and throw a party, and hang out, get drunk, play touch football, talk until the wee hours, play video games, watch movies, argue, or whatever you enjoy doing with them, because most of us will die before we're tired of this life.

    In the end, what you do and what you believe doesn't matter to me, and I expect you feel the same about me. Just remember for those people, that went out of this life in a way few of us would choose to, and don't forget that we're all lucky to be alive.

    That's it, I guess...
  • by HLN ( 38281 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @10:10AM (#4236903)
    It's the same for me. I live in Sweden, so it's not as close to home, but virtually all the news sites on the web (including the good swedish ones) where down, and I remember coming to slashdot to read the first hand reports here.
    It really makes you think about the power of the net. I could read reports from people who actually was on location and saw what happened only minutes after it really happened.

    I especially remember some posts hopefully saying that it probably were cargo planes (and thus "minimizing" casualties), since a reported eyewitnes hadn't noticed any windows on the side of the air craft. Unfortunately it was just hopful "roumors"...

  • by SerpentMage ( 13390 ) <ChristianHGross&yahoo,ca> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @10:15AM (#4236957)
    While there is a certain amount of truth of the cold war and the militants, there is a bigger truth in that the countries themselves created these folks.

    Case in point. When Sadam attacked Kuwait, Bin Laden went to the Saudi Royal family and said, "I have a plan". And his plan was not that bad and would have succeeded. What did the Saudi's do? Ask the West and America for help. Bin Laden at that point got very annoyed and decided to wage a war against the US.

    My point is that because that region has basically no democracy and is run by a bunch of royal wing nuts discontent is bound to occur. And that is the true creator of groups like Al Quaida. Why vent at the West? Simple, it is easier to vent at somebody who can be used as a focus and rally point. Venting at the Saudi family is a real quick way to get your head chopped off. But venting at American's? No problem, Saudi family has no issues with that.
  • by liposuction ( 176349 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @10:21AM (#4237035) Homepage
    Right. Because those countries didn't do anything do deserve it?

    The same US that left the Kyoto accord cause it was BS, and didn't pressure anyone to follow suit?

    You think that when someone is starving, they can tell the difference between geneticaly modified food and food that's not? You think that the starving children who go to bed with a full stomach wake up in a sweat because the food they ate was geneticaly modified?

    Time for you to wake up, you coward.
  • by Irvu ( 248207 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @10:29AM (#4237131)
    What about the more than 600 non-criminal detainees that have been tried in secret immigration hearings. [miami.com], the reports of rampant abuse [indymedia.org] in INS facilities, the raids [indymedia.org] on pakistani homes in NY, and specific cases such as Jose Padilla's [indymedia.org] and Qaiser Rafiq's [villagevoice.com]?

    While I agree with you that things have been worse -- Lincoln actually jailed some state senators so that they would not vote for succession and suspended the writ of habeus corpus. But, I don't think that we should just breathe easy. The Red Scare didn't happen overnight, and each liberty that we loose will take a great deal of effort to regain.

  • Re:Bleh. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Yonder Way ( 603108 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @10:38AM (#4237239)
    There is a huge difference between the death toll at the WTC and the death toll in India during the big earthquake. The earthquake was a natural act. This doesn't make it a good thing by any measure, but you cannot hold a person or group responsible for the death toll. The WTC attack, while having a much lower death toll (but still a staggering figure) was a cold and calculated attack against innocent victims. This was a senseless act of mass murder, and individual people can be held totally accountable for the death toll. Natural disasters are tragedies, too. But they are part of nature's cycle. The WTC attacks were anything but natural. Try to keep things in proper perspective.
  • by MERVERNATOR ( 589408 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @11:09AM (#4237531)
    I remember that morning.. was on my wat to work in Westchester NY and was on 9A which parallells the Hudson for a bit... I dont remember the order of things, but I know I saw a plane swoop down kinda low,.. wobble back and forth a few times, and then go off at an odd angle... a plane never caught my attention like that as I was driving before, and since they did follow the Hudson as a guide, I just kinda have a feeling that it was one of them.. Was listening to Howard Stern that morning too... and when he broke in with the story, I remember the whole road came to a stop. I got to work and pictures and video were already flying through the network.. couldnt get a phone line for anything.. military jets and helecoptors just screamed over the area... days like that arent easy to forget, and they shouldnt be forgotten anyway.
  • by flogger ( 524072 ) <non@nonegiven> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @11:17AM (#4237604) Journal
    I'm also a school teacher. I'm using the unit that I'm just starting and 9/11 to make some really powerful statements/accusations about our government.

    Today at our school is read-white-blue day. Well, I'm wearing my libertarian T-Shirt [lpwi.org] of the bill of rights (Void where prohibited by law).

    My classes are starting to read the Crucible (by Arthur Miller.) Many see it as an over-hyped play about the salem witch trials. However, it is a chronicle of how our country (always) seems to over-react to things that may be contrary: Witches, Africans, Commies, Aids Victims/Gays, Terorists, [insert other items here].

    The discussions so far today (I'm having my prep period now -- Probably I'll get reprimanded by the administration for using the computer for personal use. Side note: The district has gone Big Brother with computers and cameras (we are a small district in a town of 1500 people), and yes, big brother is here watching.) As I was saying...
    The discussions today have been remarkable. Students don't seem (at least by their comments - We're talking Juniors in high school here.) to want to live in a society that the government seems to be pushing us.

    Take Miller's Comment in the text of his play:
    It is impossible for man to organize his social life without repressions, and the balance has yet to struck between order and freedom.
    And throw in this AP story [newsday.com] Anyway, I'm a bastard for talking bad about america at this moment. Hopefully, I'll still have a job tomorrow.

  • Both (Score:4, Interesting)

    by renehollan ( 138013 ) <rhollan@NoSPaM.clearwire.net> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @11:49AM (#4237854) Homepage Journal
    I personally feel we are continuing to provoke such things through our economic agenda, and that what bush's policy has been shortsighted and really retro-active. Others feel that the world climate is changing for the worst, and we simply need to start protecting ourselves more. What do you think?


    When I was a small child, I was taught to not approach the cute little bear cubs that would sometimes wander close to my parent's vacation home in the spring time. Yes, it was our property, and yes, bears can be destructive, but the cub was doing what cubs do, which, in and of itself, was not harming anything. Mama bear, of course, was expected to be close behind.

    So it is when dealing with the affairs of others. OBL attacked the U.S. ostensibly because of American presence in Saudi Arabia, which he repeatedly denounced.

    Executive Summary: When your government, put in place either through your winning electoral choice, or your acceptance of a democratic process pisses someone off, you increase your risk of dying.

    Right or wrong, heinous or noble, justified or not -- such words vulnerable to the winds of propaganda matter didly squat to your corpse rotting at the bottom of a pile of rubble.

    So, you must chose carefully, those acts in which you, or your representatives engage, for you will be faced with the burden of defending against their consequences. This does not mean that one should cower and hide in the face of those who disagree with what you believe are your rights, but it does mean you should pick wisely when chosing what's worth risking death at the hands of those you enrage.

    Somehow, I have a hard time believing any sane American who values his or her freedoms would accept that U.S. interests in Saudi Arabia were worth the loss of some 3000 lives or the liberty-suspending measures purported to to be able to prevent such a loss in the future.

    Sometimes, it IS better to let the bully have his corner of the sandbox -- if you're willing to fight him lest he cross some arbitrary line in the dirt, let him pick the line and see if it is all that unreasonable. Then you can defend both your turf and the moral high ground.

    P.S. You know, as an aside, I chuckle about the semantic hack OBL pulled: the U.S. can't declare "war" war against an individual, only a nation, and so can't legally muster the "war-mode" enabling powers it otherwise could. Yet it clearly faces a situation that any sane person would clearly interpret as an "act of war". Heh, doublespeak bites the usual government mouthpiece on the ass. I'll leave it to the gentle reader to decide whether that's adding insult to injury or poetic justice, dripping in bloody irony.

  • by Amazing Quantum Man ( 458715 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @11:52AM (#4237864) Homepage
    Fsck off, you dickhead.

    IWADC (I was a defense contractor). And I was damn proud of what I worked on too. Stuff I coded was one of the unsung successes of the Gulf War (it allowed the army guys to do their fireplanning on the move during the famous "end run").

    What do you produce? It helps humans?

    Yes, it does. It also helps simian lifeforms like you by defending your right to be a complete dickhead.

  • by tHiNk411 ( 398161 ) <chrisNO@SPAMthink411.com> on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @12:38PM (#4238294) Homepage Journal
    The "innocent" people that lost there lives in those cities did so on there own choice. Everyone in those cities knew there would be a bomb dropped, this was not a suprise attack from the US, the US dropped thousands and thousands of leaflets all over the streets of those cities. EVERYONE knew that the US was saying they were dropping a bomb, who chose to leave and who chose to stay are the same people who chose to live and die. If the Taliban had started telling everyone in NYC that they were going to destroy the WTC on 9-11 for a week before, do you think there would be many people in the WTC on 9-11?
  • by SurgeonGeneral ( 212572 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @12:49PM (#4238405) Journal
    Who do you think is the largest exporter of oil to the United States?
    Its not who you think it is.
    most people would say Saudi, Iran or Kuwait.
    The largest exporter of oil to the United States is Mexico. Followed by Columbia and Venezuala. Ever heard of the FTAA? Wonder why the Americans seem to want it more than anyone else?
    Oh and lets look down the list to.. NUMBER SIX- IRAQ. Isnt that funny? And who is doing the importing of oil from Iraq? a little company called Haliburtant, chaired by our honourable friend Dick Chaney.
    Is anyone else finding this odd?

    look it up. http://www.google.com
    and while you're at it, look up the Carlyle Group.

    EDUCATE YOURSELF. Sometimes what you dont know is staring at you right in the face, you've just been traind not to look.

    I leave you with this:
    We all know why the US went to war with Iraq. They've told us quite often, because Iraq invaded Kuwait.
    But why did Iraq invade Kuwait?
    look it up. It might surprise you.
  • Re:Sadness (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Cederic ( 9623 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @12:51PM (#4238421) Journal

    >> That Iraq is able to scoff at international law, kicking out the U.N inspectors and rebuilding their weapons of mass destruction [yahoo.com] while the rest of the world(except the U.S.) turns a blind eye.

    Countries with nuclear weapons (confirmed):

    Countries with nuclear weapons (suspected):
    South Africa Indonesia

    Countries with chemical warfare capability:

    Countries with biological warfare capability:
    USA (confirmed development of Anthrax)
    UK (has tested)
    Probably others.

    Countries the US need a pretext to attack:

    Please don't fall for the current propaganda about Iraq. Try putting yourself in their shoes - wouldn't you seek a means of defending yourself against aggressive bullies?

    Face it, the US want to attack Iraq, and they'll pick any excuse they can.


    >> That so much hatred could be directed toward what is undoubtedly the worlds freest country.

    I hadn't realised people were directing so much hatred at Canada and Sweden.

    If you think America is free, please explain wtf is happening in Guantanamo Bay (sp?), why the people of Afghanistan have had to suffer an American invasion, why the people of Iraq are building air raid shelters, why most black people in America live in poverty.

    I'll hush now.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @12:54PM (#4238453)
    Last year on this day, as normal, we were conversing on IRC on our company IRC server and had recorded the channel. Today, as our way of remembering the event, we have replayed the IRC logs from last year in real time. It has been very moving.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @01:09PM (#4238560)
    So, considering Germany wasn't even a superpower and their ambition for conquest killed 25 million civilians in about 8 years, the fact that the U.S.--as a true world superpower, capable of defeating any country on the planet--has only killed 3 million people in the the last 220 years is not bad at all!

    1/. Germany was pretty much considered a superpower until the end of WW2 in the same way that Britain was. If both countries hadn't been crippled by 6 years of conflict, the political face of the world would be vastly different now.
    2/. Capable of defeating any country, except those with North in their name (Korea / Vietnam) ... and those little conflicts which were fought by CIA trained/funded locals (such as those in Afganistan or Angola)

  • by NeuroManson ( 214835 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @02:12PM (#4239026) Homepage
    http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/09/05_S tepford.html

    September 5, 2002

    Stepford Citizen Syndrome: Top 10 Signs Your Neighbor is Brainwashed

    by Maureen Farrell

    Though much of the world is convinced the 2000 election was a coup d'etat, and many believe we're being lied to regarding 9/11, we Americans are unaware of how numb we seem. Not only are we being coerced into World War III, but at this very moment, unnamed souls are secretly locked away, the Army's drafted plans for civilian detention camps and there's a shadow government buzzing beneath our streets. And yet, we continue to ignore the oily elephant in the living room.

    The administration's Iraq war dance is likewise baffling, particularly when Dick Cheney says Saddam can't be trusted -- even though, not too long ago, he was trusted to the tune of $73 million during Halliburton/Iraq transactions. Moreover, newly discovered memos reveal that Cheney was also involved in a 1975 cover-up involving the CIA's mind-control experiment, MK-ULTRA. Back then, the government paid $750,000 restitution to Army biochemist Dr. Frank Olson's family, after admitting the CIA slipped Dr. Olson LSD days before his 1953 fall from a New York City building. When the Ford administration finally came clean, they promised they'd revealed everything. Yet according to an article in the "Mercury News," (Scientist's death haunts family, August 8, 2002) key officials, including White House aides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld pushed to continue to conceal information.

    But not only has the government tried to control people's minds, they've copped to controlling the media, too. Operation Mockingbird, the CIA's plan to infiltrate America's newsrooms, was such a success that former CIA director William Colby boasted, "the Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any major significance in the major media." Carl Bernstein substantiated this, revealing that hundreds of journalists and news organizations were involved in this subversion. And though officials have admitted to planting fabrications in the past, it seems they're still at it. Remember the story about the terrorist's passport surviving the fiery crash into the World Trade Center? What could that be but government-issued pabulum? And what else but full-scale public brainwashing accounts for the rash of Stepford Citizen Syndrome spreading throughout the country?

    Which brings us to the case in point. Researchers have identified the following symptoms. If you overhear anyone making the following statements, assume they've been brainwashed and intervene immediately:

    1) "George Bush is a decent man."

    Abraham Lincoln once said, "[I]f you want to test a man's character, give him power." If he steals power, however, the nature of his character is no longer in question. This week's out of court settlement with the NAACP over Florida's foray into election fraud confirms BBC's Greg Palast's report that the election was rigged. Yet pundits ignore this travesty, while referring to Dubya's decency in much the same way our ancestors spoke of Earth's flatness. Overlooking our thrice-arrested president's blatant disregard for civil rights, human rights and the environment, they continue to downplay scandals and downgrade their role as protectors of the public trust. But with oft-repeated quips like, "lucky me, I hit the trifecta" and "if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier," G.W. offers a glimpse at his indecent inner frat boy. Especially revealing was a Talk Magazine interview, in which he mimicked death row inmate Karla Faye Tucker. "Please," Bush whimpered, mocking Tucker's plea for clemency, "don't kill me." Gallows humor is only funny when those telling jokes don't have the power to save people from the gallows.

    2) "I have faith in our system of checks and balances."

    Certainly, the uproar over Operation TIPs and recent court decisions on FBI abuses and secret deportation hearings are healthy signs. Except, of course, that controversial findings against Ashcroft's Justice Department will most likely be appealed before the same felonious five who handed down the 2000 selection. Chief Justice Rehnquist has already warned that, "in times of war, the laws are silent." Then, too, though the Constitution grants Congress the sole right to declare war, since 1948, America has been involved in approximately 250 military incursions without one single declaration of war. The Bush regime has already said they don't need Congress' approval on Iraq. So much for checks and balances.

    3) "We have to defend ourselves, and the war on terrorism is the only way to do that."

    Anyone who believes this war is simply a drive to eradicate terrorism must be brainwashed. The U.S. has been building military bases along proposed oil pipeline routes, and has its eye on the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian Sea region. All anyone need do is read Zbigniew Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard" or brush up on the Wolfowitz Doctrine to understand the not-so-hidden agenda behind U.S foreign policy. In a recent appearance on Crossfire, Insight Magazine's Jamie Dettmer deftly addressed America's aim to control the oil fields in Iraq. "Nobody has suggested the United States is going into Iraq to control the oil," Tucker Carlson asserted, leaving some to wonder if Tucker's bow tie isn't too tight. "Let's not be unsophisticated about this," Dettmer replied, warning that, "in the end, if America doesn't restrain itself, [it's] going to provoke groupings of countries which will restrain America instead."

    4) "Since September 11, George Bush has shown strong leaderships skills."

    Since September 11, George Bush has led us away from progressive policies and alienated us from the rest of the world. British papers describe the biggest rift between Europe and the U.S. in more than 50 years, 85 percent of Germans no longer trust America, and veteran reporter Helen Thomas bemoans how, "friends and allies wonder what's happened to the United States." Our $7 trillion surplus has followed the president's example and gone AWOL, while unemployment, crime and intellectual numbness are on the rise. Under Bush's "leadership," the U.S. Has become the kid who picks his nose in class. Those of us who love America are embarrassed; others are repulsed.

    5) "Europeans don't agree with us because they're effete appeasers."

    Europeans don't agree with us because we're wrong. They understand the geopolitical motivations behind this war, as their press isn't as censored. In America, however, stories about Enron's involvement in the proposed oil and gas pipeline though Afghanistan were squashed, and if you wanted to know about the Taliban's trip to Texas, you had to learn about it in the National Enquirer rather than on Meet the Press.

    6) "George Bush's administration is filled with solid, foreign policy pros."

    Aside from Colin Powell, George Bush's cabinet is swarming with neo-conservative ideologues who'd be clamoring for an attack on Iraq even if the atrocities of 9/11 hadn't occurred. Despite the chorus of countries opposed, Dick Cheney unilaterally forges ahead, while Donald Rumsfeld says he's certain America will receive backing from the international community. Meanwhile, the international community scratches its head and wonders what's become of our once great nation.

    7) "George Bush is doing an excellent job in the war on terror."

    Given limited media coverage, how would anyone know? Unless one digs through foreign press and alternative media reports, there's little to go by. When one reads reports from journalists like Seymour Hersh, however, a different picture emerges. Stability in Afghanistan is but a myth, warlords carry out atrocities without intervention, and the State Department is forced to guard President Karzai. Meanwhile, many warn that Bush's plans for Iraq could lead to Armageddon. Yet "Bush is doing an excellent job in the war on terror?" How?

    8) "People who say the Bush administration 'let 9/11 happen' are conspiracy nuts."

    Forget the president's odd behavior on September 11. Ignore that jets weren't scrambled from Andrews Airforce base, or that the FBI reportedly thwarted investigations. Pretend there are no connections between the Bushes, bin Ladens and the Saudis or that Bush #41 doesn't profit from this war through his connections with the Carlyle Group. Imagine, for a moment, it doesn't matter that those heading the closed-door investigation into 9/11 met twice with the former Pakistan intelligence chief, who reportedly helped finance Mohammed Atta. And never mind that, despite warnings, only 14 planes were defending our mainland on September 11. These oddities could be explained through coincidence and incompetence rather than complicity.

    That said, remember this: After World War II, the CIA recruited Nazi scientists to share information later used in the aforementioned MK-Ultra program. In the '60s, the Pentagon drafted plans to kill American citizens and blame it on Castro as a pretext for war with Cuba. And Army-based concentration camps aren't merely a gleam in Ashcroft's eye. The brainwashed are conditioned to hear "conspiracy" and shut down, however, immediately deducing information isn't true and the messenger is daft. But even Bill Clinton reportedly asked Webster Hubbell to find answers to two questions: "One, who killed JFK? And, two, are there UFOs? " He never found out. And odds are we won't either. Even so, it's not crazy to demand an independent investigation into 9/11. Nor is it nuts to wonder why the administration is doing everything in its power to make certain we never uncover what went wrong.

    9) "The media is liberal."

    Ann Coulter complains about the liberal media through the "liberal media," where she's regularly given a forum, yet Michael Moore has appeared on less than a handful of shows, though his book's been a bestseller for six months. During the election, the corporately-controlled media portrayed Al Gore in a negative light, while touting Bush's phony ranch-hand charm, and according to a report in F.A.I.R (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting), 75% of the dominant sources of opinion on all three major networks are Republican. Yet the brainwashed continue to believe the media has a liberal bias. Go figure.

    10) "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction!"

    This phrase has replaced, "Saddam gassed his own people!" as the #1 mantra of war-mongering dittoheads. But despite former weapons' inspector Scott Ritter's assertion that there's no proof Hussein has amassed weapons of mass destruction, Dick Cheney says there's "no doubt" he's got them and plans to use them. During the Cuban missile crisis, John F. Kennedy relayed photographic evidence proving the Soviet Union was up to no good. Where's the proof now? Why hasn't the administration won over our allies? Why do so many doubt there is "no doubt?"

    Latest polls indicate that nearly half of all Americans believe the First Amendment "goes too far," proving that Stepford Citizen Syndrome is now a national crisis. We have an obligation to rouse our loved ones out of their stupor. If we don't, the thugs who've stolen America will steam-roll right over us. And if you can't see that, chances are, you're brainwashed.
  • Date significance (Score:2, Interesting)

    by slipmat ( 558157 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @02:12PM (#4239030)
    Does anyone know why the terrorists chose September 11? I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. I really don't think it is to do with the emergency phone number. I also don't think it had to be that day for logistical reasons. The date is likely to have religious significance. I have my own theory, Read verses "9-11" revelations chapter 14. http://www.awitness.org/biblehtm/re/re14.htm I'll summarise it. "Any who worship the beast will be tormented by fire...and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever" Now read this http://www.lis.net.au/~dbird/ifanyworshipbeast.htm Note that the website was created before 09/11/2001, it explains that "the land of the beast" can be interpreted as the USA. I just find this all too much of a coincidence. No other group of verses in the revelations fit as perfectly as 9-11. btw I am not religious at all I just decided to do some research into the significance of the date and came up with the above.
  • by junkgrep ( 266550 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @02:47PM (#4239293)
    ---Japan had a long history of agressive & atrocious behavior---
    If by "long" you mean more than simply that regime during WWII, then that statement seems wrong. Japan was on the side of the Allies in WWI. In fact, nationalism only exploded in Japan after the WWI Treaty in which Japanese moderates we dealt a telling blow by people like President Wilson, who not only refused to honor their contributions, but rejected Japans' proposed treaty language condemning racism and wars of racial superiority (boy, was THAT shortsighted of us!).

    The Japanese moderates tons of face over this, the hardliner racist facists took over, and Japan basically decided that if the West would never accept them as equal partners, and there could be no truce against racial rivalry, then the West wasn't going to be allowed to belittle it anymore, or treat it as trivial.

    ---It's a good point to note: tit for tat leads to ongoing conflict, while massive retaliation generally gets the message across more succinctly and saves lives in the long run.---

    So why wasn't Iraq's gassing of the Kurds, most of whom were rebelling at the time, just good policy? It sent a message (just as we sent a message in Japan) that stopped the fighting in its tracks and certainly saved a lot of lives. Do you at least appreciate how easily this principle could be abused? Do you at least see that, however warped, this was EXACTLY the stated rationale of Osama: that if they caused enough damage in one blow, that we'd reconsider and get out of the Middle East, thus saving them the trouble of having to start a war there?
  • Sick and tired... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gatekeep ( 122108 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @05:40PM (#4240596)
    Am I the only one who's completely tired of the 'news' coverage of this event? I mean, for over a year now I've had people telling me I need to 'remember' and 'pay tribute' to our 'fallen heroes.' Almost invariably, the best way to do so is by buying some memento which they're conventiently selling for the low price of $19.99.

    I think I'll spend the day commemorating with one of the over 150 books written about 9/11. Which one should I choose? Maybe 'Let's Roll' or 'Above Hallowed Ground.' Or there's the ones featuring children's art, or the impact of terrorist attacks on the gay community. At last check there are some 911 books on amazon.com dealing with the subject.

    When I tire of reading a book I can browse some of the thousands of pictures taken that day, or perhaps just kick back with the 'special edition' of any given newspaper filled with pages of 'stories' which are little more than people complaining and wondering what rationale there is for such an attack. Or I could watch the six-hour special today show, or check out Barbara Walters as she sits in on grief conseling sessions with the families. If that's not enough I can check out the Spike Lee special with films 'inspired' by the events of 9/11. As if the normally anti-establishment Spike Lee getting in on the action isn't enough, even ESPN is trying their hand at news and covering 9/11 with a documentary about flight 93.

    In short, I'm sick of the sensationalist propoganda surrounding what was certainly one of the nation's worst tragedies in history. I'm tired of people hawking 9/11 commemorative pins as if a pin will make a difference. I don't need an FDNY t-shirt, thank you. I refuse to take part in a 'moment of silence' or wear red white and blue to work. I refuse to purchase any publication with any sort of special edition or expanded coverage. I will not watch people crying on TV over their lost loved ones. I won't look at pictures of the orphaned babies who are somehow more worthy of our attention than the thousands of others orphaned in the year since 9/11. I will not let terrorism change my life as it has apparently changed everyone else's for the past year. I won't give in to the pressures of a society which is apparently hated by a good portion of the world.

    We allow our capitalism to destroy the message of what really happened and why, and then the next time we'll wonder why anyone could despise us so greatly. Ratings, Money, Stock prices, these are our Gods. The tragedy of what happened is only a means through which we come closer to them. What kind of people would take part in an attack on innocent civilians? Clearly evil ones. What kind of people will spend a year making money off that in an orgy of patriotism and memorial gone wrong? I'll leave that to you to decide.

    This really is a holy war, but maybe it's less about Allah and more about Dollahs.

    (end rant)
  • by Kyusaku Natsume ( 1098 ) on Wednesday September 11, 2002 @06:00PM (#4240781)
    It's the fact that american citizens don't give a damn about what are doing outside the USA their goverment or corporations. Sweatshops? Well, they are better than without work, isn't it? Puppet goverments and dictators in the middle east or Latin America? Well but they are our allies, aren't they? Oh! they are killing people! well, they must be killing comunist or terrorist freaks, rigth?

The other line moves faster.