MS Cites National Security to Justify Closed Source 827
guacamolefoo writes: "It was recently reported in eWeek that "A senior Microsoft Corp. executive told a federal court last week that sharing information with competitors could damage national security and even threaten the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan. He later acknowledged that some Microsoft code was so flawed it could not be safely disclosed."
(Emphasis added.) The follow up from Microsoft is even better: As a result of the flaws, Microsoft has asked the court to allow a "national security" carve-out from the requirement that any code or API's be made public. Microsoft has therefore taken the position that their code is so bad that it must kept secret to keep people from being killed by it. Windows - the Pinto of the 21st century."
War (Score:5, Funny)
That's brilliant (Score:4, Funny)
More proof that Bill Gates is just a more successful troll than me.
MS sweating... (Score:4, Funny)
"Yeah, how can we BS her on this?"
"Uhh, maybe we can find a link to terrorism?"
"YEA! That's it! We can't comply, because of National Security"
Harmph....
Pintos should be offended... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The point of java (Score:2, Funny)
You forgot to translate this:
RagManX
MS Flight Sim (Score:2, Funny)
Hey, now that I think of it, perhaps this wasn't a terrorist attack after all ?
Re:Don't pick on me! My software sucks! (Score:4, Funny)
Well, at least I hope it doesn't. A comment like this from a Microsoft bigwig doesn't sound encouraging... Mid-air GPF anyone? *ouch*
Re:Hypocrits (Score:3, Funny)
But, I agree... I'd love to see the gov't return MS stuff and REQUIRE working code. Watch M$ reply with a RedHat CD.
Rebuttle (Score:1, Funny)
For reasons of National of Security, all of Microsoft code should be made open source! At the very mininum Microsoft should hand over all of it to the NSA or some other agency of the US government to ensure that the code is available in after an attack against Microsoft.
News Flash!!! (Score:2, Funny)
(NAPI)- John Ashcruft today warned that al-Qaida terrorists have infiltrated several "Learning Tree" facilities over the past few months and have obtained illicit "MCSE" certificates. "With the imtimate knowledge they now have, no one who runs the Windows Operating System is safe" quavered Professor M. Druel of the University of North Dakota at Hoople. "Given the flaws we were warned of, why didn't we listen to that guy back during the trail?" Linux users (and other users of the soon-to-be banned "open-source" software) spent the days chuckling.
Re:Ridiculous argument! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Now what are they trying to hide? (Score:4, Funny)
I figure if Microsoft code was handling anything important, we'd be dead already. The concept adds a whole new meaning to BSOD.
Forgot to Mention (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Think about it from Microsoft's point of view.. (Score:5, Funny)
Hope this helps: irony [dictionary.com]
Re: Nice (Score:3, Funny)
> When in doubt, raise concerns about terrorism, or inappropriately use 9/11 as a crutch. The new coin of Washington (both east and west it seems).
It's not just the USA. Want to wage war on a neighbor or on members of your own population? Just go ahead, and call it "War on Terrorism (tm)" if anyone expresses outrage over it.
In other news (Score:5, Funny)
Second Best Quote (Score:5, Funny)
Just have to say it... (Score:5, Funny)
They can name it something like 'Patch Lola Patch.'
Logical Contrapositive (Score:5, Funny)
If the software has security flaws, then the code and APIs cannot be made public.
Open source view:
If the code and APIs are made public, then the software does not have security flaws.
So, Microsoft, we are finally in agreement, yes?
One standard to rule them all (Score:4, Funny)
So, according to Microsoft, it is better to have one company provide (ie control) the degree of interoperability between systems than to have another company promote a single standard for the whole industry to use and share.
I can't imagine that line of thinking going over very well with military officials used to building redundancy into everything.
You might also paraphase the above statements as follows:
"Microsoft has choosen to ignore freely available and already established standards and instead has wasted substantial time and resources needlessly reinventing the wheel by developing our own internal standards (that we won't share and that we admit are not really very good) so that we can control the degree of interoperability between our proprietary new product, and our former (and soon to be former) competitor's technologies"
"Sun's strategy of creating and sharing a standard that encourages 100% interoperability between all systems discourages interoperability (but only in respect to our systems, because ours are made to be incompatible with the accepted standard that everyone else uses)."
Oh boy, can I please buy your systems for my Army?
Security (Score:4, Funny)
Your honor, it is a matter or national security, no international security, no galactic security, that we be allowed to continue our profitable monopoly.
Think she'll buy it?
=brian
Re:er, (Score:3, Funny)
The protocol, which is part of Message Queuing, contains a coding mistake that would threaten the security of enterprise systems using it if it were disclosed, Allchin said.
"That's business with
=tkk
Re:Open source and security - some references (Score:5, Funny)
Well, they may have a point though. Thier "hidden" APIs can be a big security risk, such as:
BecomeRootUserWithoutNeedingPassword()
Secretl
DecryptAllFiles
and, of course the one Outlook and Word uses:
MakeProgramsRun90PercentFasterButTurnOffAllSecu
NSAKey (Score:2, Funny)
If we had the source code, we might find out the true function of the NSAKey function!
Windows is the cyberspace Corvair... (Score:3, Funny)
Why al-Qaeda is using MSFT source code (Score:2, Funny)
It wasn't that they were trying to make bioweapons to use on us.
No, they got H1B visas and are coding in Redmond as we speak!
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Little known fact... (Score:2, Funny)
Actually, there is no one called Allchin at Microsoft. Allchin is a descriptive term for All Chin, Jabba the Hutt.
Even though he also works for George Lucas, All Chin has a long history of eating cute, squeaky animals for Microsoft, too. For example, in the December 12, 1994 edition of Computer Reseller News, page 269, column 1, fourth paragraph, he said that a software emulation patch for the Pentium floating point processor bug would not affect performance greatly. This was true, as long as customers didn't use it. If the program they were running used that part of the floating point processor, however, the processing would be far slower.
Now he's telling us that war is a good reason for us to let Microsoft do what it wants to do anyway. To Microsoft, we are all cute, squeaky animals.
The way I see it, It's like choosing a woman. (Score:4, Funny)
New Anti-Microsoft Ads (Score:2, Funny)
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I helped murder families in Colombia.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I just wanted to play Minesweeper.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I helped kidnap people's dads.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I just wanted to listen to music with Windows Media Player.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I helped kids learn how to kill.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I was just browsing with IE6, you know.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I helped kill a policeman.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I was just having fun.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I helped a bomber get a fake passport.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Other kids do it.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I helped kill a judge.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I helped blow up buildings.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: My computer, my OS.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: It's not like I was hurting anybody else.
GPL (Score:1, Funny)
Their spokesman went on to say... (Score:3, Funny)
Oh wait...
Squeak, squeak, boom! (Score:2, Funny)
Except for those of us carrying nova bombs. Eeeyaaah! GPL'ed code! We're doomed!
Jabba is also shown eating ugly, gronchy-sounding froggish thingies, but I don't think that invalidates your thesis. (-:
I need a million bucks ... (Score:3, Funny)
Surgeon General's Warning? (Score:2, Funny)
to require warning labels on every box!
"Warning: This product may exhibit serious security flaws and compromise National Security and cause death of US Soldiers fiting terrorism in foreign countries."
Re:Just have to say it... (Score:4, Funny)
Jules: Send me that service pack. It's the one named, 'Dumbass Motherfucker.'
Vincent: You know what the funniest thing about Microsoft is?
Jules: What ?
Vincent: Its the little differences. Its got a lotta the same shit as other operating systems, but with those guys it is a little different.
Jules: How so ?
Vincent: For example. Another company has a bug. They fix it in like two days, and then they annouce the bug and the fix.
Jules: Ok. And at Microsoft ?
Vincent: At Microsoft, when someone points out a security hole, the first thing they do is threaten a lawsuit against the guy who found the hole if he says anything.
Jules: You mean they threaten the guy who is helping them ?
Vincent: Yup - exactly what I mean. As long as there is not a big media splash, they never gotta fix nuthin.
Jules: So what happens if the guy opens his mouth.
Vincent: Generally he don't. But, some 15 year old kid in Asia finds the same bug, and then releases a worm, and it chews apart all the Microsoft systems worldwide in like two days.
Jules: No shit !
Vincent: Yeah, and then Microsoft tells everyone about the bug, and provides a patch, but no one fixes it.
Jules: No one !?
Vincent: Well, smart people do, but most people just miss the message. They gotta go to Microsoft, get the patch, and half the time the fix will break something else on their system.
Jules: So if this shit is so bad, why are so many people using it ?
Vincent: It used to be everything on personal computers were that bad. Then, Microsoft controlled the market. Everyone else started making good shit, but it didn't matter. Microsoft made people buy their new shit so they could continue to read their own old shit. Can you believe it ?
Jules: Man, that is some weird-ass shit. Like some idiot can't take a step back and see himself being played like that.
Vincent: Yeah, it's kinda sad. But it makes a great market for guys to run around spending all their time patching holes after they are exploited. If Microsoft made good shit, we wouldn't have jobs.
Jules: Good point.
Re:True, and... (Score:4, Funny)
>stated many times that He doesn't want to be
>easily found--hence, no fact should be hard to
>accept for anyone of a religious mind.
prove that "god" "said" this.
i'll accept *.wav's or *.mp3's or *.ogg's
Re:True, and... (Score:2, Funny)
Moses sluffed his Algebra and Zoology classes. So what? It is more than obvious that Moses screwed up from time to time. I imagine the conversation went something like this:
God:
Moses: No unclean animals. Got that. So what is the definition of an unclean animal?
God: Those that chew the cud and have cloven hooves.
Moses Chew cud, cloven hooves. Ok, continue.
God: Now, they must dress...
Later that day...
Moses: And you shall eat only clean animals, which are animals that chew the cud and have cloven hooves.
Belligerent kid at the back of the crowd: Is this going to be on the final?
Moses: Yes.
Kid in the third row: Can you give us some examples?
Moses: Cows, goats, oxen.
Geeky kid: How about the bunny?
Moses: No, the hare doesn't count. It doesn't have cloven hooves, see. Gotta have both.