'Free Broadband' Scam Exposed 168
dslknowitall writes: "It appears that http://www.dslreports.com is first on the crime scene regarding DSLmonster.com's scam to offer free broadband access for the price of only two spam's a day (remember winfire, anyone?).
"If you remember back on December 18th we raised the warning flag concerning a DSL provider known as DSLMonster.com, who's business stank of illegitimacy. With a website made up of plagiarized portions of other providers terms of service, and a qualification system that claimed it could provide service to locations like "the dark side of the moon", it appeared to be a scam waiting to happen." Not only a well written piece but lots o' backgroud too!"
Perhaps they'd use my Cable ISP (Score:5, Funny)
tcd004
The old saying is true. (Score:3, Insightful)
Unless you get less than what you pay for.
Almost never do you get more than you pay for.
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:2, Insightful)
Unless you get less than what you pay for.
Almost never do you get more than you pay for.
Except that you're reading this for free on Slashdot, run on open source software used for free, on a browser you didn't pay for (unless you use opera),
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:1)
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:3, Funny)
I was going to reply and agree with you, but then Mozilla seg faulted....
I guess I did get what I paid for....
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:1)
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:2)
The hell of it is, you really can't disabuse the beguiled people of their notions. If you threaten to burst their bubble, they become highly defensive and behave as is you personally are trying to ruin this great deal they found.
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:1)
Cmon, if your Joe Sixpack, and looking to get fast internet access for p0rn, you've probably heard about all sorts of things on the internet that are free, or much much cheaper than the local store. Its not too much of a streach for him/her to think that this is legit.
Especially if they know nothing about other DSL options/costs.
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:1)
Re:The old saying is true. (Score:2)
You get what you pay for. Especially online.
Unless you get less than what you pay for.
Almost never do you get more than you pay for.
I guess you never used Napster! :-) :-)
Try going to church. You'll learn there that you can never possibly pay more than God gives you.
you get what you pay for? (Score:1)
seriously, DSL in BFE arkansas for free? c'mon, had to be a scam.
Oh nos!! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Oh nos!! (Score:2)
Irony (Score:4, Interesting)
I just hope people don't get angry at DSLReports for what they did. They were only trying to provide a service for their readers.
According to the employees of DSLMonster, many of whom seemed to have legitimate DSL industry experience, they claim they were completely unaware of Mr. Dyer's plans...
The Enron defense, anyone? How can people in a compnay not know of the plans by management. Anyone in the billing department, for example, would have seen the excessive billing practices.
Somebody Elses Problem effect... (Score:1)
Anyways The Somebody Elses Problem field effect is so potent that a device to cloak you in a SEP field could run virtually forever on a AAA battery.
Re:Somebody Elses Problem effect... (Score:1)
However if I were posting to a less geeky site then yes I would reference or at least offer points.
Re:Irony (Score:1)
The lesson I learned is that billing can be so screwed up, that it doesn't necessary follow that the people in the billing department even know what direction is up.
Re:Irony (Score:2)
3-hour Mandatory (and no pee break) all hands meetings.
3-page handed-down-no-input-from-you-is-necessary-just-s
2-reorganizations per quarter, possibly more. ymmv
* by typing your name near the top
The realization that, in many respects, your manager is NOT the micromanaging prick you thought he was, but simply a note carrying go-fer whose notes have been passed through several other layers of go-fers for the real micromanagers, who should have been acting like VPs but are fighting over terf as if THEY were the ones in danger of being laid off.
how CAN people in a company know the real pland by management?
SPAM (Score:1, Funny)
Remember Winfire? (Score:2, Interesting)
Winfire article [internetnews.com]
That was less scammy than this one though. Winfire was built on the solid premise that people would stay crazy and pour money into crazy ventures for at least another two years.
No Photo? (Score:2)
Umm, perhaps New Jersey law can make an exception in cases of suspected fraud? I don't understand how a photo of a suspect who pretty much appears to have ripped off consumers and advertisers alike has to be kept private, while he gets away more and hides his identity.
I respect privacy, but I think I can make an exception for this guy.
Re:No Photo? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
Land of the free, baby!
Re:No Photo? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
As for everyone else who flamed me b/c I want this guy to get busted, and telling me that I should go back to USSR Stalin era, are you suggesting and suspected criminals cannot have any information disclosed about them? I wasn't suggesting anything radical. If there is enough evidence that you have committed a crime, the authorities have every right to post your picture at the post office or announce your name on the news, especially if you are fleeing, as this guy is doing. If every potential criminal could not have their name or image disclosed, I would think that there would be a lot more criminals still at large. So please, think about what you're saying before bashing.
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
The DMV there, however, does not have the right to RELEASE the picture.
If the police attain a picture of this guy through anyh other means, it's wanted poster time.
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
I phoned the police and they came and then went to the hospital to check on who had been admitted the previous night with severe injuries. No dice. The hospital would not provide any information to the police as to who, if anyone, had come to the hospital with that type of injury.
And the case was never solved.
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
curious, what state was that where the hospital wouldnt talk?
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
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As for the ACLU, well, they do stick up for criminals sometimes, but they're also an important entity for our rights. For every 1 wacko case they latch onto, they seem to undertake 10 worthwhile ones from what I've seen.
Re:No Photo? (Score:3, Insightful)
They can go to a judge for a warrant. If a judge won't issue them one, then they don't have any evidence this guy is commiting fraud.
If you start throwingout laws, and privacy concerns just because someone may have committed a crime, you loose everything.
Re:No Photo? (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember, even if we all know it was a scam, he's still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
I'm a bartender and bouncer. In our town we must go to classes offered by the police where they tell us how to check for fake IDs. (drivers licenses anyway). One of the interesting facts we learn there is that New Jersey is one of the easier licenses to fake, and to be suspect of all of them.
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
Not that the minors around here mind. They *are* very easy to fake. Hell, when your license comes up for renewel when you're 21 (assuming you get it at the minimum age of 17) you don't even have to have a photo on it!
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
I'll attest to that. I'm from NJ and in college in PA. I've seen many using forged NJ licenses. One person even went to a NJ DMV claiming to be a friend who had lost his license. All he needed was his friend's mother's maiden name and $5 and he got a photo license in his friend's name. In PA, one just has to call the DMV and they mail you a new one, using a photo stored in a DB from your previous visit.
When I turned 21, my original license expired. DMVs sends people a renewal form about 2 months before expiration, you fill out and send back with a check for the fees, and they send you a non-photo license. Well, I figured I could hang on to the previous license and use the two in conjunction at the liquor store, etc, especially since I was on an internship in MD and couldnt get up to NJ during business hours to get a photo license. Some would take it, others wouldnt, including some that would on some occasions, but not others. Even though the two cards had the same DL numbers on them, same physical info (eyes, height, etc), address, they wouldnt take them.
Now hat I have a photo license, I still have problems on occasion. Every now and then someone will point to the "DUP" marking on it (it means duplicate). They make me see a credit card or my school ID (which used to be faded and tough to make out my face, but I've since gotten a new one).
Now that I've ranted about NJ's problems, it's plainly easy to see how NJ can stop being targeted for fake IDs and stop all the annoyances for the real 21 year olds by simply adopting a PA or MD style system.
I'm curious, what types of things are you instructed to be suspicious about with NJ licenses?
Re:No Photo? (Score:3, Insightful)
No, and no one is suggesting allowing individuals to act as vigilantes in the case. I do think a legitimate law enforcement agency ought to be able to obtain information, with a warrant (or other appropriate legal document), that may help solve a crime. Now, the case may not yet have reached the stage of issuing a warrant, but when that happens, I have a problem with a state agency not complying with a warrant due to state laws. A doubt a criminal suspect has a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to government records containing information about him or her.
No one is saying state agencies ought to routinely provide information to the police so they can monitor citizens.
Now, if NJ doesn't have a picture (as some have opioned), then that's a different story as to why they won't provide it - but doesn't change my opinion on the need to provide such data when available.
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
And the photos for your first license are instant, not digital, they don't keep a copy in a database.
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
I suspect that if they go through proper channels, or have their ADA contact the NJ. ADA they could get it.
Geek wins against Mattel, Mattel retaliates! [sorehands.com]
Could be no photo (Score:1)
The way the Department of Motor Vehicles operates, photo licenses are only issued to applicants who apply for them in person at a DMV office, which is widely considered throughout the state to be an experience to be avoided at all costs. Renewals by mail or www are issued without photographs.
I hope this crook gets caught, but it's entirely possible if the guy has been driving for a few decades that DMV may have no photograph on file.
Re:No Photo? (Score:1)
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
Re:No Photo? (Score:2)
at what point did someone get a clue?? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:at what point did someone get a clue?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Shaking my head (Score:1)
My father signed up for their service a few months back, despite the fact that I told him it was a bad idea (I had read the articles questioning their legitimacy). I guess he has a report to file when he gets back in town now.
Tsk, Tsk.
Re:Shaking my head (Score:2)
I Don't Get It (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I Don't Get It (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I Don't Get It (Score:1)
Re:I Don't Get It (Score:1)
*For a limited time, DSLMonster.com has FREE DSL for life after a one-time activation fee of $228.00.
Where does this come from? (Score:5, Insightful)
What a second. The linked article says that customers were double and triple billed. What did they get 4-6 spams instead of 2? Or is this statement wrong and there was a cost for the service?
Re:Where does this come from? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Where does this come from? (Score:1)
It's a bit difficult to tell from the article. I took "customers" to mean the people for whom they were advertising, rather than the people to whom they were (not) providing DSL service.
Alan
As grandad used to say. (Score:1)
Not the first time that crooks started a free ISP (Score:4, Interesting)
While this ISP was not as much of a sham as the ISP the articule links to, they had an executive with access to the company's purse strings. This person outright stole money from the company's bank account for personal use; we are talking about millions of dollars here. Finally, when the company went bankrupt one or two years later, this crook fled the country, and, as far as I know, is living in the Carribian.
Similar to how Enron did things; get a lot of investment money; start a company, hire employees and pay off congressmen to give the company an air of legitimacy; then take as much money from the company bank account as one can get away with. Do this until the company dies and the executives are living in the bahamas.
- Sam
Re:Not the first time that crooks started a free I (Score:1)
Here, there was nothing but unvarnished shenanigans, and, I would venture, not enough clout or cash to purchase the help of politicos.
Here's the BEEF (Score:2)
According to detective Shelton, as many as 250 customers were double and triple billed, without a single one receiving so much as a minute of DSL service. Local area advertisers were also out of luck, as checks from Mr. Dyer repeatedly bounced. Employees felt the sting as well, scammed out of thousands of dollars.
I guess they forgot a crucial step of Microsoft's business plan: if you're going to copy everyone else and offer something that's too good to be true, you have to have the MONEY to back it up.
I do really feel sorry (Score:3, Insightful)
Isn't the first rule of life, on the internet especially, is that if it says it is free, you DO NOT give out your credit card number? Just a thought.
--"Do you have any
Re:I do really feel sorry (Score:2)
As an Internet merchant, I get the rough side of the coin - we regularly get people who register our software and turn out to be using stolen cards, or (after we've sent them the unretractible registration details) decide they don't want to pay. The credit card company just charges the money back off us. I'm convinced this is at least in part the reason that credit cards aren't yet more secure - there's basically very little incentive for the credit card companies to reduce the level of fraud, since the fraud doesn't hit them but the merchants.
Re:I do really feel sorry (Score:2)
I imagine this sort of thing gets easier if you're Amazon-sized and in a position to sue them. When you're us-sized, we just get to treat the chargebacks as an additional cost forced on us by the credit card companies and their refusal to make the system more secure...
Searching thru google for an address (Score:3, Interesting)
Where do I sign up? (Score:5, Funny)
I want to lower my SPAM to only two a day! Where can I get that kind of service?
Re:Where do I sign up? (Score:1)
Re:Where do I sign up? (Score:2, Funny)
Otherwise, you'll be getting Free Broadband AND two spams ... and what do they get? Nothing.
Got it?
swell (Score:2)
hawk
Bad business plan (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bad business plan (Score:1)
Well, That's The Tipoff Right There (Score:2)
Of course, any real geek would known that there's no such thing [badastronomy.com].
Baloney! (Score:2)
In the lunar night, you could see quite well on the bright side of the moon, but the dark side would only be very dimly starlit (respective nights -- not the same time, obviously). It seems to me that lunar colonists are quite likely to say "bright side" and "dark side" for this reason.
People who have the gall to pose as authorities "correcting popular misconceptions," but only look at the most superficial interpretations, disgust me. I've seen a few sites like that, which start out by interpreting common expressions or sayings in some very narrow, technical sense (which the users of those expressions wouldn't recognize), then tear down the straw man they set up, and enjoy a pained sigh for having to live on a planet with the poor idiots who haven't already recognized their obvious correctness. That they also include some well-known true misconceptions only makes them more harmful by making them seem legitimate.
badastronomy.com? Why not everyonebutmeiswrong.com? I hate snobs.
Re:Baloney! (Score:2)
they simple state that all the surface of the moon gets sunlight at some point during its cycle. Many people our tought that there is a side of the moon that never gets sunlight, and that is false.
You obviously didn't even read it. (Score:2)
Bad Astronomy: "That's as remote as the dark side of the Moon!"
Good astronomy: "That's as remote as the far side of the Moon!"
...then goes on to complain about popular song lyrics and generally whine about the fact that anyone has ever used the expression "dark side of the moon."
It finishes with: "The Pink Floyd album may be one of the best selling albums of all time, but astronomically it's in eclipse."
It contains no claim about people being mistaught that one side of the moon is always dark, just a baseless assumption that the expression must be interpreted that way. And it fails as an educational resource by missing a good reason to call the far side the "dark side."
It's obnoxious "ha ha!" nitpicking, but worse for being built on bad reasoning. If it was isolated, I wouldn't have bothered, but it's not the only example on the site: take this, for example. [badastronomy.com] This page doesn't even make sense:
Bad Astronomy: The Moon appears larger on the horizon than overhead because you are comparing it to foreground objects.
Good astronomy: The Moon does appear larger on the horizon, but it is because of the way we perceive the sky.
What the heck is with that? The page itself doesn't contain an explanation of "the way we perceive the sky," and the linked essays actually imply that the presence of foreground objects, particularly the horizon, is a key part of this optical illusion.
At best, he's making a meaningless distinction, and being rude about it. This is characteristic of the site in general, and it is not a worthy reference.
Re:You obviously didn't even read it. (Score:2, Interesting)
What's being missed in regard to the song title is the feeling it's trying to express, that is, somewhere far far away. This is basically the same meaning expressed when one makes reference to the city of Timbuktu. Certainly Timbuktu isn't any farther away than a lot of other places. The point, though, is that the normal way to get there by those who actually do so is to travel across the Saharu on the back of a camel. The natural question, then, is how do you get to the "dark side of the Moon"? Well, first you have to get to the Moon, though preferably not on the back of camel. And you're certainly not going to land on the side that's not illuminated. So you land on the light side and then travel overland from there. That is indeed a long way away and expresses the intended feeling in a clear enough way. This is about art. It's not about science. People who try to make it about science are, really, missing the point, and need to find a hobby.
Re:You obviously didn't even read it. (Score:2)
I'm with you, man. It does appear larger, exacly becuase we are comparing it to objects we normally don't juxtapose with the moon.
aren't the customers protected (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:aren't the customers protected (Score:1)
These people clearly authorised the payments (the $ 129 for the DSL modem not the 2 spams) that they made!
Re:aren't the customers protected (Score:1)
Re:aren't the customers protected (Score:1)
I'd bet that if you were promised to get your free DSL installed in 60-90 days, you'd expect that you only needed the DSL modem then so you wouldn't report the fraud.
Re:aren't the customers protected (Score:1)
The 60 day requirment is also only applicable to companies not run by or affiliated with your credit card, for affiliated companies your rights are preserved for a minimum of one year.
Obviously though this scam wasn't affiliated with any credit card company.
bah (Score:3)
This gives me an Idea! (Score:1, Funny)
I'll create a new product called RAD-DSL, you can find information about it at our "corporate" geocities website, most of the content I'll copy from @home or something similar. I'll have a form for ppl to send me $100 (the actual amount doesn't matter) for their new RAD-DSL FM radio via credit card. (Trust us, anywhere you can get FM radio reception, you can get our "service") I'd only need about 1,000 customers with $1k credit limits to rip-off a cool million. Then, off to the carribean for me!
Two spams a day... (Score:4, Funny)
Advertising... (Score:1)
I have a co-worker who sent a check, which was cashed. Then he noticed that in his statement, identical checks were being sent through even though he hadn't written any. All he can do is recover the amount for the checks he didn't write. The first $200.00 is gone, and so is the company.
Buyer beware...
DSLMonster.com Mirror (Score:2, Informative)
Re:DSLMonster.com Mirror (Score:1)
Re:DSLMonster.com Mirror (Score:1)
Oh, that's a riot.
Mirror of DSLmonster.com? (Score:1)
Google seems to lock when I view the cache........
Winfire wasn't really free (Score:1)
Rocky J Squirrel
well, DUH (Score:2, Interesting)
How else could things like this have worked?
How else could the whole "Nigerian banking transfer with your help needed desperately" genre still be successful after all these years?
A fool and his money do part quite often.
i'll pay it back... (Score:1)
oh! great now that adress is going to be spammed, with *alot* more than two e-mails pr. day
who on earth thoght they could get free broadband by just saying "yes" to spam, when people who pay for their connection get loads of it anyway?
nemo
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DSLReports Forum (Score:2)
Re:DSLReports Forum (Score:2)
Phuckbunnies (Score:2)
This is BS-- pun intended (Score:1)
"...actions will soon be taken against a chosen few..."
"...not to mention the hits that you have generated for our site, much appreciated there..."
Does this guy remind anybody else of Bernard Shifman? [petemoss.com] =)
I'm not really suprised, in my experience anything free is a scam. Except those little food samples at grocery stores.
Contracts and legal documents are not copyright (Score:2)
A lawyer recently informed me that copyright does not apply to legal documents (including terms of service and licenses). I was surprised at first, but then I realized that I've never seen a (c) on any such document.
So it's actually perfectly okay (and probably a good idea) to "steal" the best parts of other well written legal documents, rather than reinvent them. There is standard language for all of these things, so it would be pretty ridiculous to copyright them. It's not plagiarism.
Re:I've got to concentrate (Score:1)