Copyright Claimed on Telephone Tones 495
awful writes: "Two composers in Australia have copyrighted over 100,000,000,000 phone tone dialing sequences. They state in the article that they are lampooning copyright laws that protect big business rather than artists. Their website has more info and explains how they did it. You can check your number and make sure it hasn't been copyrighted by these guys. They have already recieved one offer of money - from a guy who wanted to purchase the copyright to his number so he could stop direct marketing firms from calling him." Somehow I don't think the inventors of DTMF envisioned this. Update: 10/04 14:11 GMT by M : There's a US mirror available.
GENIUS! (Score:5, Interesting)
That covers every phone number in existence (Score:4, Interesting)
If they Have good lawyers... (Score:2, Interesting)
-Patrick
Ok.. um... (Score:1, Interesting)
well...its a step in the (right, wrong) direction (Score:3, Interesting)
copyright and patent are two completely different things, with two different purposes. prior art doesn't apply to copyright. ok...now that i've gotten that out of the way...
i'm not sure if i agree with what these gentlemen have done. i don't believe that such things deserve to be 'owned' by anyone. no matter the reasoning behind their actions, and even if they are attempting to protect people from corporations and 'BIG BROTHER' i find myself disagreeing with their methods. also, i fear the day that they are threatened and bought out by a [insert entity here]that doesn't have their moral fabric. in such a case, beware.
what about... (Score:4, Interesting)
could I sample portions of seven notes of a "melody"?
Copyright does not squash other independant works (Score:5, Interesting)
IANAL (and I know the whole point was to be funny anyway).
Not what copyright was for. (Score:4, Interesting)
Some schmuck who starts to copy right tone sequences is totally not getting the point. He's not promoting scientific research, or protecting his intellectual property. He's just trying to make a quick $, through a loophole in the laws.
Its as if suddendly the sequence of phone digits has been invented by this guy and he has to have the copy right to your tone. This whole thing is as rediculous as the guy who claimed to own all the land outside of the solar system, and thinks he's somehow going to get away with that. If your armies/people are using/conquered something, its theirs, and no one elses.
Oh so close! (Score:3, Interesting)
However, you failed to complete your analysis. Of course, having a copyright on those tones doesn't prevent any normal usage of DTMF. Why that is, I'll leave as an exercise to the reader.
What do you call this? A straw clown? (Score:2, Interesting)
Obviously, these are not legal (or at least not legally relevant) copyrights, and couldn't be enforced.
I know it's all in fun, but I think it would be more satisfying to mock the system using things that would stand up in court.
Re:prior art? :) (Score:5, Interesting)
This absolute waste of bits known as pop culture trivia was brought to you by the letters L, O, S, E and R.
music, not number (Score:5, Interesting)
numbers. They have copyrighted the musical
representation of these numbers as DTMF tones.
Additionally, like hell numbers aren't copyrightable.
What do you think an mp3 file is? It's a very
large number. In fact EVERYTHING digital is a
number. So if you can't copyright a number, how
then is software, source code, digital music,
digital video copyrightable?
Re:Nice idea, but won't work (Score:3, Interesting)
However, I believe that once you are made aware of the copyright you must desist or else you are in violation.
Independent invention is not a violation (unlike patent law.) I could spend months writing the perfect Apple II sprite blitter. You, being equally intelligent and hard-working, independently create the same 60 line routine. We can now both copyright the exact same thing! We both created it, and we can both prevent third parties from copying our work. When Programmer C creates the exactly same routine and uses it in a game, we can both try to sue him. Do we win? If he bought a copy of my game, and he is a known disassembler, then I have a good chance of winning. If you published your routine in a magazine he subscribes to, you will probably win. Otherwise, he gets to copyright the routine as well!
Re:Nice idea, but won't work (Score:2, Interesting)
- Charge any (non-profit) corporation when dialing their phones for work related purposes.
- Collect royalties from phone service providers that use the songs for routing in their system.
- Licence the "songs" to telephone manufacturers and receive money for every telephone ever made.
Still, they'll have a pretty hard case trying to get any money out of this. Likewise, anyone who shares a genetic pattern that has been "copyrighted" by another company should sue that company's ass off for copyright infringment on your genetic material.
ahhh, symbolic gestures...
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Re:That covers every phone number [informative] (Score:3, Interesting)
The DTMF frequencies... (Score:2, Interesting)
1209Hz 1336Hz 1477Hz 1633Hz
697Hz 1 2 3 A (Flash override)
770Hz 4 5 6 B (Flash)
852Hz 7 8 9 C (Immediate)
941Hz * zero # D (Priority)
It's interesting to note that A-D, * and # where not copyrighted, although they are used in telecommunication repeaters.
Re:prior art? :) (Score:2, Interesting)
Jobs, Woz, and the Black Box (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Don't Check Your Number in their Database (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:GENIUS! (Score:2, Interesting)
As an aside, the Western tonal tradition lends itself to common series' of pitches and/or rhythms anyway. Music isn't clinical--it's messy. This annoys the hell out of attorneys, who are extremely clinical.
At any rate, there's virtually no chance that this particular case would ever go through. The phone company has more of a case against these guys than the other way around. (And the phone company doesn't have a case either, really.)
How phone tones work (Score:5, Interesting)
In particular, I learned that "the dial tone sound is simply a combination of 350 hertz tone and a 440 hertz tone," and "if the number is busy, you hear a busy signal that is made up of a 480 hertz and a 620 hertz tone, with a cycle of 1/2 second on and 1/2 second off" and there is a great chart showing the tone for each button on the keypad. For example, the tone for "1" is a combination of a 1209 Hz tone and a 697 Hz tone.
A little more research turned up this cool frequency to note converter [unsw.edu.au] and where I discovered that 1209 Hz is equivalent to D6 plus 50 cents, and 697 is F5 minus 4 cents. So basically the keypad one is an out of tune inversion of the D minor chord. (music majors feel free to Score: -1, Moronic)
Of course, if you were into phreaking [phreak.org] then you'd already know all that.
Re:How close are they? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:That covers every phone number in existence (Score:2, Interesting)
In reality there are fewer phone numbers than this due to some limitations on number combinations. If I remember correctly, there are no NXX exchanges that handle 1xx-xxx or 0xx-xxxx (they are possibly for internal use). That alone changes the combinatorial sequence to (10^9)* 8 or 8,000,000,000 (since that position can only handle 8 different values. There are probably a few other combinations that drop out as well, but I've not the time to search for them.
That said, with 100,000,000,000 tone combinations copyrighted, they should be able to cover all the phone numbers in the US easily, plus allow for longer combinations for International calls. BTW, has anyone tried that page with a non-US number to see if it has been patented?
- A non-productive mind is with absolutely zero balance.
- AC
Re:Copyright does not squash other independant wor (Score:3, Interesting)