End Of reality For Silicon Graphics 130
Zurk writes: "SGI is turning off its famous employee web server http://reality.sgi.com on August 15th. The machine has been running for nearly 10 YEARS and has resulted in a number of really kewl IRIX applications (and some linux ones as well) distributed from employee web pages at SGI. Games/source code/pictures/irix tips and examples of working life at this once great company will no longer be available." Seems like the sort of thing that every business ought to maintain, for employee sanity and general niceness -- too bad this one is about to go.
Re:Mirrors of important content? (Score:1)
Cuz they're good shit.
another cool machine (Score:1)
Re:Why? (Score:1)
That would just make too much sense.
Re:Okay, now does anyone know *WHY* its going away (Score:1)
Re:Good Customer Service = Bankruptcy (Score:1)
There was a beutifully voiced tech support operator named Melissa maybe, or Sally, i do not remember... I cannot in words express how sweet of a voice she had... she sounded like she was in bed, under the sheets... a sultry soft voice...
Anyhow, she was glad to replace and ship and handle any problem.
I still remember that to this day... it was crazy...
Re:D'oh (Score:1)
Why exactly did you flop an Indy over the roof? I mean, were you joking, and accidently let it go? Were you threatening your boss - "Come one step closer and Mr. Workgroup server flies!"? I can find no good reason logically to have an Indy anywhere near a ledge. Yes, they are aging a bit, but are still good machines. Why not donate it to a school, or something? (Or some sgi freak like me!) Please, please enlighten us!
Last one out, turn out the lights (Score:1)
This change was known inside for several months. This is only a symptom of the major necrosis that is rapidly overwhelming them. Think of them as a company with Ebola.
To quote that grisled philosopher, Bones McCoy.
She's gonna die Jim, and there is nothing I can do about it.
Goodbye SGI, it has been real.
Hehe (Score:1)
looks like it wont meet the 10 year uptime...
Look at their stock value (Score:2)
That's worse than the Linux companies are doing, isn't it?
Give me your junk ... (Score:2)
Any unix wannabe sysadmin can administer these systems - they have had easy GUI admin for years, long before the rest. Only WinDoze admins have problems with systems this easy to admin, as well as being able to RTFM.
Re:NO. use reality-closure@sgi.com (Score:2)
Re:PPC + OS X rules (Score:2)
Have you ever heard of Altivec?"
Despite what Apple marketing tells you, there is more to a CPU than just a vector unit. Altivec is a pretty good example of a vector unit, but its hardly a revolutionary feature.
"(where's Photoshop for SGI?)"
Right here on the Indy I'm typing this on, actually. Pretty moronic choice of examples there. What's your next question? Where is Maya for SGI?
Despite your breathless and uninformed Mac cheerleading, I still can't purchase a G4 mac that is even remotely comparable to SGI's higher end visualization systems. And the vast majority of ex-SGI shops are moving to Linux, not OSX.
But I suppose I really shouldn't expect some junior photoshop jockey to know much about hardware.
Why it's going away (Score:2)
memtest86 moved to www.MemTest86.com (Score:2)
It no longer exists at http://Reality.SGI.com/cbrady_denver/memtest86/ [sgi.com]
Now it lives at www.MemTest86.com [memtest86.com]
Thanks Chris,
Ken Hendrickson
here we go! (Score:3)
bash-2.03$ wget -r reality.sgi.com
~AC
The WORST always rules... (Score:3)
The REASON they're on life support is that IRIX is joke...
Only partially true... each version of IRIX was always released *far* before it was ready (compared to other commercial Unicies, at least). IRIX has traditionally had poor security with its default installation (always assuming that good connectivity on a non-hostile network is also the default).
But once patched and hardened, IRIX and MIPS hardware really shines. It's far smaller and more efficient than Slowaris and the memory bandwidth of even *ancient* Indigo2's is breathtaking, even by today's standards.
Along with Compaq's recent statements regarding burying the DEC/Compaq Alpha CPU line and replacing it with Intel Itanium, it seems that the industry is heralding the supremacy of the crappiest, least efficient architectures (Sun USPARC, PowerPC-POWER, Intel Itanium) and the death of the best (MIPS, DEC Alpha).
This proves that aggressive marketing/salesmanship will always reign supreme over superior engineering.
:-/
Re:End of reality??? (Score:3)
"kewl appz" (Score:3)
Sadder than employee pages. (Score:4)
http://reality.sgi.com/csp/ [sgi.com]
Hear, hear! (Score:5)
In terms of having good product but poor marketing, SGI reminds me a lot of DEC, another three-letter acronym company. Alpha was way ahead of its time. There can be no doubt that hardware "creep" is hurting SGI (i.e. the gulf between low-end, commodity, hardware and high end SGI stuff is becoming smaller).
Indeed! All of the companies that have extensive and solid marketing (Sun, Apple, Intel, Microsoft) are the ones with the worst technology.
Unfortunately, it's the innovative, engineering-focused companies like DEC and SGI that have the worst marketing, hoping that the merits of their products will market themselves...
In the fickle consumer-space dominated by MBAs and technically-deficient CIO/CTOs, companies like DEC and SGI lose.
Who will play the role with SGI that Compaq played with DEC? IBM?
If what Compaq did with DEC Alpha is any indicator, then any acquisition of SGI by [Sun,IBM] would also probably infer that the buyer will kill any innovative SGI technology because it would:
For SGI, an acquisition by Sun/IBM would result in much the same. SGI was already transitioning off MIPS anyways but ccNUMA, MIPSpro compiler and XFS/LVM technology would either be one less competitive threat or a technological advantage.
As you can surmise, I have very little confidence in the technical expertise of Sun, Apple or IBM compared to SGI or DEC :-/
Likewise, I also have very little confidence in MBAs, bean counters and those idiots who believe that market forces create anything innovative or intelligent ;-)
Slashdot readers may appreciate this excerpt of Ken Olsen, founder and former CEO of Digital Equipment:
Well.. we still have employees.org (Score:4)
-davidu
Re:10 years uptime? (Score:2)
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Is someone doing this? (Score:2)
reality.sgi.com has been a friend of mine.
Re:They don't use that logo anymore (Score:1)
Exactly. The new logo means it's probably a piece of crap. If it has the new logo but isn't a piece of crap, you'll know because it takes up your entire machine room.
Same thing at SCO (Score:4)
There was an announcement sent out a few weeks back:
The machine is still up, but it's a sign of a very similar situation to that at SGI - or at least that's what it looks like.For the record - SCO laid me off over a year ago, but my account on ocston is still there. The machine isn't actually maintained by SCO, but they pay (paid?) for the hardware and bandwidth - when the layoffs happened, the ocston admins announced that they wouldn't be kicking people off who'd been laid off. Respect to them for that.
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:2)
Umm, SGI jumped on the Linux bandwagon [sgi.com] too, for example their work on a journalling file system. That hasn't paid off for them either. It remains to be seen if IBM will make any money there either.
Re:XFS and Nvidia.. (Score:2)
This is it!!!!! (Score:1)
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:1)
Re:Same thing at SCO (Score:2)
Given SGI's situation, maybe they are acting in advance :-(
It's gone...for now (Score:2)
Will we ever see your homepage return, more specifically the "fire, explosions, and antics" section? I'd be glad to put a mirror of it on the extra space I have in my home account...
I'm not sure... maybe but honestly it was really out of date. It was kind of funny originally but it's over 4 years old now...
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Re:Money Trouble ... (Score:1)
Damn straight! Another excellent example: NeXT--they made the absolute *best* development environment, APIs, and user environment in the world but couldn't sell it. They live on in Apple, of course, but they've got that godawful Aqua interface and a bunch of Mac zealots who refuse to accept superior solutions on the basis of, "But...but...but that's not the way the OLD Mac OS does it!"
Re:Money Trouble ... (Score:1)
Yep. "Keepin' the dream alive." ;-)
best answer yet... (Score:5)
To: fans of reality.sgi.com
From: bean counters
Date: Sat Jul 7 13:09:57 PDT 2001
Subject: immenent death/dismemberment
An OEM scripting language negotiates the mergers, on a going-forward basis. For us to grow, we absolutely have to develop scripting languages. Due to the meta-services and paradigm shifts, what has changed is the pace of change.
We absolutely have to develop a solution as well. Given current realities, communication empowers the Strategic Initiative. Having a plug-in that is fiscal, it follows that data disseminate a prominent suite of tools. As always, goals are the team.
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:1)
Re:10 years uptime? (Score:1)
Re:classic lavarand site on reality is going away (Score:1)
I don't quite get it. (Score:3)
Seems to me this is bad for employee morale, and that's going to be bad enough as it is
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Re:I don't quite get it. (Score:2)
Many Many companies are doing this, taking away benefits and perks from employees that will make no visible change in the bottom line just to make bean counters happy, or the standard CYA (Cover you ass) attitude...
Although It's interesting how we cut staff, and cut basically free to give employee benefits, but the General manager gets a brand new Giant SUV (Lexus) with leather and all the goodies, and new furniture, oh and we're moving to a new office where the server room is 1/5th the size with no dedicated A/C so she can get a bigger office...
yup, WE gotta Buck up and suffer during these hard times, how about working late tonight guys? no pay... oh and we've replaced the coffee station with a vending machine.... no more free coffee.
Re:Huge magnifying lens (Score:1)
Huge magnifying lens (Score:3)
Re:best answer yet... (Score:1)
This really sounds like it was mistranslated severely at some point. I expected the next phrase to be "You have no chance to survive make your time".
Re:How Long?? (Score:1)
A non-correctable (transient) memory error doesn't necessarily take your system down, though. Unless you mean it's a stuck bit (a permanent problem), but every couple months seems pretty frequent for something like that to happen.
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:2)
Well, at least this story has a silver lining :)
Re:What SGI now stands for (Score:1)
So two percentages walk into a pub. says one to the other: 'hey buddy how are you'. The other replies 'raised'.
I guess I suck at accountant jokes
Back to creating stuff.
SGI alternatives (Score:2)
it ain't gonna be SGI 'cause they may not be there
in ten years. So who else can render 120 million
triangles per second (that's real, not zero pixel
triangles, shaded, lit by four lights or more and
textured with 1024x1024 texture)?
Re:Good Customer Service = Bankruptcy (Score:2)
THAT must be why Wal-Mart is doing so good!
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Re:One cool employee page... (Score:1)
tip to the author of the photo gallery web pages: put the navigation -/+ buttons at the TOP of the pictures, where they won't move. The buttons are currently located at the bottom of the pictures and they jump around the page as each differently sized photo is loaded. I really want to see your photos, so don't make it annoying or slow for your viewers.
Not surprised about this... (Score:1)
Re:Not surprised about this... (Score:1)
- Just my opinion -
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:1)
Silicon Graphics still develops IRIX and MIPS processors.
Actually, Silicon Graphics has nothing to do with MIPS anymnore, other than perhaps being one of MIPS' best customers. Around a year ago SGI got rid of its remaining stake in MIPS Technologies Inc. [mips.com].
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:1)
Perhaps SGI designed the processor itself, but I believe the intellectual property does actually belong to MIPS. Just as LSI, QED (now PMC Sierra), IDT, etc. design MIPS based processors with MIPS IP. (MIPS does not, of course, actually manufacture any processors; it's an IP only company.)
I did find this page of "MIPS-Based(TM) Products [mips.com]" at MIPS, which lists SGI's machines. That page states "Design efforts utilizing MIPS® intellectual property are continuing for the system and server markets by Silicon Graphics."
Also notice that SGI's R10000 processor [sgi.com] page includes the following at the bottom: "R10000, ANDES, and Avalanche are trademarks of MIPS Technologies, Inc."
To me it looks like SGI behaves like any of MIPS licensees; they use intellectual property that (now) belongs to MIPS Technologies Inc., and design their processors using that. Perhaps there is an agreement between MIPS and SGI, but I couldn't find details of it. I'd be very appreciative (really) if you can show evidence to the contrary. I'm not trying to be argumentative; I would actually like to know how this is set up.
What SGI now stands for (Score:5)
Re:Look at their stock value (Score:2)
Re:What SGI now stands for (Score:1)
Re:XFS and Nvidia.. (Score:1)
Re:D'oh (Score:1)
Made a great noise.
Future Reality (Score:1)
"Automaticly Updated on: 07/09/19101 01:43:07"
As we can see, this is future Reality. 17,100 years from now. SGI has relized the paradox this can create, when we know what will be Reality in the future (we can steer circumstances to modify the future), and they are just tired of rewriting future Reality every time someone goes against The Plan.
A part of my employment past (Score:2)
Ever since I contracted there, I've been known to reference The Annotated Aerial View of the Cray Research Park [sgi.com] as evidence that yes, I worked there. I was in Building F, in the supercomputing department.
Despite my waste of bandwidth site on reality, the creative and intelligent people at SGI used it for all sorts of things. SGI folks are demoralized enough as it is, and I feel for them, considering that this resource is being taken away. What's next, the end of Ducky Day [pipex.com]?
"During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I was riding the pogostick."
Re:What's with the SGI logo? (Score:2)
Looking at the new SGI logo is like having a 10 pound roast pulled out of your ass with a plastic fork.
SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:4)
SGI has been hovering around around a dollar since May. They've been steadily eroding since their plan to make money building high-end NT/x86 workstations just isn't working out. I hate to say it, but reality.sgi.com may not be the only server they're turning off.
Like it matters.... (Score:4)
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:2)
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Mirrors of important content? (Score:2)
Re:D'oh (Score:1)
Re:D'oh (Score:1)
D'oh (Score:2)
Re:Is someone doing this? (Score:1)
101 oso:~ > du -sk reality.sgi.com/
463191 reality.sgi.com
102 oso:~ > ls -l reality.sgi.com |wc -l
775
105 oso:~ > ls -l reality.sgi.com.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 matt users 281182058 Jul 8 03:52 reality.sgi.com.tar.gz
I wonder if it'll change at all between now and aug 15.
Re:What SGI now stands for (Score:1)
Re:best answer yet... (Score:1)
One cool employee page... (Score:4)
http://reality.sgi.com/chinster_studio/html/photo
Re:Money Trouble ... (Score:2)
I installed gcc and simple programs will compile, but just about anything that needs kernel headers -- won't compile ...
Okay, now does anyone know *WHY* its going away? (Score:2)
It's hyperbole to say that this is bad when it may be the case that SGI is going to replace it with a better machine or an improved program...
People say, "Jimmy, are you mad God created retarded people?", and i say, "No, i like President Bush." - SouthPark
Is there a listing of all the games hosted there? (Score:1)
Re:One cool employee page... ** MIRRORED** (Score:1)
mirror [indstate.edu].
"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
A prof in my college did this, too (Score:2)
classic lavarand site on reality is going away too (Score:5)
The classic lavarand [sgi.com] site (random numbers via Lava Lite Lamps), which is hosted on reality, is going away as well.
We are planning to bring on-line a and improved version of LavaRnd [lavarnd.org] (open sourced and patent-free) at www.LavaRnd.org [lavarnd.org] hopefully before reality goes away.
Re:They don't use that logo anymore (Score:1)
Re:Good Customer Service = Bankruptcy (Score:2)
Why? (Score:5)
What's with the SGI logo? (Score:2)
IRIX 6.4 / 6.5 (Score:2)
The R10K (MIPS R10000) was supported as far back as "IRIX 5.3 Including R10K" in 1995. But I agree about 6.4 (as well as 6.3 for O2)... rogue port indeed. Luckilly 6.5 has been great, especially the quarterly updates that slowly roll in new features and fix the bugs. Heavily tested, too (SGI stays about 1.5 quarters ahead of their users, heavily testing each new release on their own machines first).
I [heart] IRIX 6.5
(now at 6.5.12!)
Re:Money Trouble ... (Score:2)
On freeware.sgi.com under gcc they have a link to a page on Developer Central (http://www.sgi.com/developers/devtools/apis/irix
If you aren't there already, you really should see about getting Irix 6.5; SGI cleaned up lots of messes (and added a few.. nsd). But you get snmp, file ACL's, NFS, etc. there are just lot's of enhancements in 6.5 (6.4 was almost a rogue port of 6.2 to support the 10k proc). It's only 600 bucks, you get lots of stuff for you money. But if possibly you check out the above you should be able to do pretty much anything you need to.
As a side note, if a compile fails, I've had best luck getting it to go by adding a couple of CFLAGS when using 3rd party apps from the -n32 (or -64 depending upon CPU) & -cckr; I normally use these on the Irix cc compiler but should also work on gcc.
Good luck, happy compiling
Re:Money Trouble ... (Score:5)
Are you having a performance issue?? Memory, CPU, disk I/O? More than likely it's a simple thing that you don't know about, or has been fixed in the past 4 years.
Irix must work properly/reliably for lots of people or else they wouldn't continue to sell their thousand proc plus single image configurations. You can't have downtime or not have it work exactly the way you want it when you are 30 days in to a 60 day calculation.
The *REAL* reason SGI is floundering is because for years they could never market themselves out of a paper bag. You can have the best stuff in the world, but if your sales force doesn't quite get it...
the segfault story (Score:2)
Considering e-mail attachments.... (Score:2)
Re:One cool employee page... (Score:2)
Re:Money Trouble ... (Score:2)
What version of Irix are you running?
Irix 6.5 comes with the kernel headers that you need for free.
maybe you could contact your local SGI office to see if that machine is entitled to run Irix 6.5, and if it is, where to get a media set from.
Once you have that, then you can use GCC to compile whatever you need.Alternatively, there is a good selection of freeware for SGIs at http://freeware.sgi.com [sgi.com]
That includes a quite large amount of GPL software in binary form for you to download and install
Good Customer Service = Bankruptcy (Score:5)
It just goes to show you that full-service customer support will only get you in trouble. "Treat your customers like crap," I told them years ago. "They'll respect you more that way." But they wouldn't listen. You have a $15k graphics board go hinky on you? They'll drop ship it with a moment's notice.
My hat is off to the beautiful people at sgi. They did the support thing right and are paying the price for it.
When I die, I hope to go to the place most like sgi tech support.
Re:D'oh (Score:2)
International Obfuscated C Contest origins (Score:2)
Let's not forget another SGI-boosted website that originally started up at reality.sgi.com which is the International Obfuscated C Contest [sgi.com]. The contest has now moved from SGI to its own domain www.ioccc.org [ioccc.org] hosted by Plaidworks(??).
Re:I don't quite get it. (Score:3)
Its the same reason they can pagers and cellphones as soon as earnings slip - they think it'll solve all their problems.
Around 1994 or 95, I created and ran a central web server for NORTEL's Intranet in North Carolina up until late 1999. The web hit NORTEL like a ton of bricks to the point UC sent us threatening letters about our widespread use of Mosaic (Netscape didn't exist yet), We hosted about 800 websites, many for official projects but many for personal web pages as well. It was pretty wide open - just sign up for an account using your employee credentials and you got account space. Obviously folks who abused it were kicked off - but since your account was clearly tied to you, nobody did. I can't recall one instance of being asked pull down an offending site.
Anyway - the web was a huge part of NORTEL's employee life. Web servers ran on lots of desktops or on central servers like the one I had deployed. We used the web to vastly improve our communication across labs in the US, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. It also gave employees a place to express themselves. Heck - the server I ran was just an HP C Classs with 100GB of RAID-5 running HP-UX and Apache. It did great - even with folks adding all sorts of tools, database frontends, you name it.
Well, sure enough, as you all know NORTEL stock has cratered like many other tech companies. Well, according to friends who still run teh server I created, NORTEL is now instituting a company wide policy where every website on the companies Intranet must be registered with a central authority. They will review what is submitted, accept what they find 'useful' and then will proceed to shutdown all other unapproved web sites and servers.
Its funny because they will probably spend magnitudes more $$$ trying to reign in teh web on their INtranet vs what it really cost them. Again, a knee jerk reaction at cost cutting when the real problem is - lack of sales and too many employees (which they've resolved by cutting 1/3 of their workforce)
So it shouldn't surprise you. Executives STILL don't realize that if you work your employees into the ground without giving them some outlets and places to express themselves and unwind, they'll be less productive and you'll lose even more money! I've always been amazed by it. Profits go down, they institute some stupid cost cutting policy (pagers, vacation carry-over, less health benefits, personal web pages, sports leagues, etc) and then they wonder why productivity is lower and they are losing even more money.
Its too bad really, but I guess its a fact of life. If you aren't happy in your job, you'll just get fired and they'll hire someone else for half your salary to work into the ground who needs the paycheck badly (been there, still there :) )
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:2)
Before being spun off MIPS became the development arm for embedded processing MIPS cpus. So what SGI did was spin off its piece of the embedded market, a market it had no interest in since the Nintendo 64. SGI still employs engineers to produce MIPS processors for use in the server and technical computing market. Any MIPS processor you see in an SGI product has been developed in house by SGI, just as any future processors will also be developed in house.
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:4)
For PC boxes your margins need to be low to compete. Developing your own graphics board is a waste of time, to justify the expenditure in R&D the board has to be cutting edge for about a year. The SGI graphics board was only a tiny bit better than an nVidia at the release date.
Selling commodity components through your own sales channel, salespeople who may have engineering degrees and enourmous salaries, is an indicator of mental retardation in somebodies thought processes. There should've been a secure web page that would take your address and credit card and ship it direct from the manufacturer to you. The only time a salesperson should've been involved is if there was a huge number of boxes involved.
I asked LavaRand how it felt about the situation: (Score:3)
LR: new stuff eternal /
nuclear mighty jolt shy /
fish ginormous wail
KK: Beautiful words, LavaRand. Back to you, Taco.
Does anyone else ... (Score:2)
How Long?? (Score:2)
Re:SGI at 1.14 ... (Score:2)
We don't need yet another vendor bundling a bunch of off the shelf crap for a margin. The whole NT/Linux adoption thing only happened because they probably couldn't afford the development of IRIX and the chips it ran on...
If you had experienced a SGI machine say, 5-6 years ago, way before the 3D craze reached the desktop PC, you would understand... They really had something special, but unfortunately, the company began to crumble (mismanagement) at the same time 3D hardware became cheaper and cheaper...
Remember that SGI's silly CEO during this period is now in Microsoft...
Re:D'oh (Score:2)
I've thrown a mini tower with a P200 system in it out of a 3rd story window. It landed on a concrete pavement... *CRUNCH*. The case was a total writeoff - looking at it from the side, it was no longer a rectangle, it was a parallelogram. The hard drive was also completely knackered and the PSU mysteriously failed to work (yet showed no signs of physical damage). The CPU and RAM was fine, and a couple of expansion cards survived, with minor (well, quite major actually, but repairable) denting. The mobo worked again once a damaged capacitor had been replaced.
Still, the box was running Windows 98... no wonder it crashed so badly.
10 points for accuracy... (Score:2)
Nichice disk usage meter, but check out the date marked on the top of the page, when I read it, it said 07/07/19101, SGI still hasnt got the Y2K bug sorted out? TWO years late?
It's a wonder they're still going
Mark.
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