Princess Mononoke Delayed.. To Add Japanese! 190
Dark Paladin writes: "It seems that Disney has had a change of mind (er, wallet) after hearing about the 4500 online signatures (and more on the way) regarding the DVD version of Princess Mononoke. You can read the official press release sent to DVD stores here. All I can say is: proof that sometimes The Man listens." This is very cool.
Re:Anime (Score:1)
Re:What?? (Score:1)
The reason for the fuss is that if Disney released an English language version of "Princess Mononoke" that would be exactly the same video, frame for frame, as "The Little Mermaid". Now that's stupid. If Disney was open source, someone would have caught that redundancy.
So, it was looking like the big corporation was trying to decide for us what we should watch. They decided that Americans weren't good enough to watch "The Little Mermaid" with voices in Japanese. Well fuck them! We've got our money, and we're going to buy what we want. Now give it to us! After hearing that, Disney gave in. Now I hear that Disney is going to release the Russian language version of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" which was entitled "Damn! There's an apple and I don't even have to wait in line for it!". About time.
Re:Anime (Score:1)
Depends on what you like. Most anime is not movies but long TV series of short mini-series (usually called OAVs). A movie may follow a series, but without having seen the series, you'll be lost. I'll also try to confine recommendations to what can be found at the local Blockbuster.
If you liked Top Gun, Firefox, etc., try Macross Plus.
If you like the James Bond/secret agent films, watch the Dirty Pair (Eden or Flight 005, skip Nolandia).
If you liked Blade Runner, try Armitage III.
If you like that childlike innocence romance stuff, try the Sailor Moon R movie (aka "Promise of the rose").
Of course, if you're a stupid punk horny kid looking for cool gore, sex, and ninja "jap cartoons", watch Urotskidoji or Ninja scroll.
You really need to provide more datails of what you like for more and better answers.
Re:Movies I would recommend (Score:1)
Anime (Score:1)
Nested topics! (Score:1)
J.
Re:the japanese track (Score:1)
I noticed some other little changes, like in the "nice bowl" eating scene, etc.. Nothing drastic like the first poster was saying, though..
Re:REad the manga... its better (Score:1)
Nausicaa movie was horrid. Read the manga...
Oh, wow, please tell me you're joking. Nausicaa was horrid? Are you sure you watched it? You didn't by any chance watch 'Warriors of the Wind' did you? That's the name of the unbelievably bad English dub that was done of Nausicaa. It cuts out literally about a half an hour from the story, including almost the entire plot. (The justification for it was that animation was only enjoyed by kids, and kids don't want a good story, they just want action. Incidentally, this terrible hack job is the reason that Ghibli Studios has been so reserved about releasing English dubs of their movies.) The dub was an absolute massacre.
However, the full, unedited, Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind is an amazing piece of work. Easily the greatest Anime I've ever seen.
(And I have read, and own, the entire Nausicaa Manga set. Yes, it is amazing, but that doesn't take away from the Anime.)
Re:Time to put my name back on the preorder list. (Score:1)
Why did I take my name off the preorder list?
I did it for two reasons:
By purchasing this anime anyway, without the Japanese dialog, I am implicitly giving them my approval to continue with that type of action. I refuse to do that. I want them to know that I don't wish to buy a crippled version of the movie, and I hope that if there are enough people out there like me, perhaps they'll get the message and do things right.
In this case, it would appear to have worked.
Time to put my name back on the preorder list. (Score:1)
I love Anime. I loved Princess Mononoke. In fact, it's prolly either my second or third favorite anime at this time (Only one I'm sure I like better is Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind [nausicaa.net].
However, I also *love* Japanese dialog. I had my name on the preorder list for this DVD, and I removed it when I heard they weren't going to include the original Japanese dialog. Now I get to put it back on.
I can only say thank you and congratulations to the online Anime Community for making this happen.
Re:And send thank-you letters where they're due, t (Score:1)
The Betamax case that the Supreme Court heard ~20 years ago makes this awfully clear, if you really need a reference. I don't actually bother with Junkbuster though. iCab filters stuff out very nicely all on it's own.
Re:Other fun Anime. (Score:1)
The Patlabor TV series, on the other hand, is frequently comedic. At least much of it that I've seen. Still good, but not on the same level as the movies (particularly Patlabor Movie 2)
Then of course, there's the difficult to find, but hilarious Dirty Pair Project Eden. (in Japanese - the Streamline dub is awful) The Pair are always great
Re:Movies I would recommend (Score:1)
Re:disney listens? (Score:1)
If you want something that's borderline illegal, take a look at the Lion King vs. Jungle King contraversy.
Re:disney listens? (Score:1)
This is a common Disney tactic.
Re:Anime (Score:1)
Battle Angel Alita is one of my personal favorites as it has an excellent sci-fi plot. Both Akira and Alita are sci-fi-ish. There are other genres of anime as well (drama, horror, comedy, adult, etc). Vampire Hunter D is a cool horror-esque series. Ranma is a popular comedy series. There are many others of course.
It us understandable to be surly sometimes.
Search is your friend (Score:1)
Good luck. Oh, and I suggest Princess Mononoke. ^_^
Thank God. (Score:1)
Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
When a company see the light the should respond (Score:1)
For those of you that don't know what this is.. (Score:1)
Mononoke Hime(?)
Also Known As: Princess Mononoke (1999) (USA: US version)
Interesting Cast as well..
Billy Crudup
Claire Danes
Minnie Driver
Billy Bob Thornton
John DeMita
"On a journey to find the cure for a Tatarigami's curse, Ashitaka finds himself in the middle of a war between the forest and Tataraba, a mining colony. In this quest he also meets San, the Mononoke Hime"
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What?? (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Re:How can any company be so clueless? (Score:1)
Re:What about Robotech!!! (Score:1)
Re:And send thank-you letters where they're due, t (Score:1)
As it is, there is a technology out there to detect adblockers and prevent the next page from being served if they're in operation; it was originated by and is used by the folks at Mind's Eye Fiction [tale.com] for the "pay for the story by viewing banner ads" payment option. If sites were really concerned about losing a few pennies from banner ads not loading, they would institute it themselves.
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Re:please, not here too.. (Score:1)
(Heck, if I did put it up on a private website that had banner ads on it I was still getting paid for, would people complain, even though Themestream's a lot less annoying and intrusive? Geez, Slashdot itself uses banner ads and gets paid for each pageview, and I'm sure they get a lot more from that than I get from one Themestream article.)
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Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Re:+1 On Topic! (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Re:Slander!!! (Score:1)
Cartoons were cool... (Score:1)
Sailor Moon S on Cartoon Network now (Score:1)
Re:+1 On Topic! (Score:1)
I don't know if it could be called "anime", either.
Re:Well, its official..Slashdot has gone *gay*. (Score:1)
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Great! (Score:1)
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Grouchy ole man says... (Score:1)
Nausicaa... (Score:1)
No need to send a message in now, we can all just wait for the official release to be reset, and buy a copy (or copies as gifts) to show our support for this, one of the few respectable decisions Disney's made.
-jpowers
PPG (Score:1)
The best voice overs in "dubbed" anime has to be Ranma 1/2, which I still find amusing, but you can't go by me, since I hate both Friends and Sienfeld... the music in it isn't half bad, as jpop goes.
The toughest thing to get over with this stuff is that what you see is years old. I recommended Ranma (TV vol 1) but it was on TV in Japan in the late 80's. Most of the time what we're seeing now from Disney was done by the Japanese years before (except Beauty and the Beast, which was actually pretty well done.) The most recent big-name stuff is Mononoke, Serial Experiments Lain, and like I said, GITS holds up.
Just wait til next year... fully rendered Final Fantasy. It already looks phenominal.
-jpowers
Re:Fearless mice.... (Score:1)
I'm not suggesting they listened to me and my 5 copy order, but a lot of the people were store owners, who would not order as many for the store, and tell their customers to wait for the special edition. I'd just have rented it instead.
-jpowers
Re:Oh my lord! (Score:1)
-jpowers
Re:What the "hell" is with the potty mouth attitud (Score:1)
-jpowers
Re:the japanese track (Score:1)
Re:topic=Anime (Score:1)
I still don't see how this fits in with News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters... Poor animation that matters?
Re:+1 On Topic! (Score:1)
I can only speak of the shows I skip over on TV, of course... Dragonball Z(?), Powerpuff girls, something about some sailor chicks who kick ass on a regular basis...
If somebody could point me at some decent looking stuff with a decent plot, I might be convinced to change my tune on this one... maybe I just haven't seen any "real" anime?
Re:topic=Anime (Score:1)
I've asked for people to point me toward good Anime, but everyone says that it'll cost a fair chunk... must be not-for-TV anime they are referring to...
Re:topic=Anime (Score:1)
Alright, so my post was a little bit "Me-too"ish, but I think that there was a valid point. Personally, I'm interested in finding out there's actually any decent anime out there, or if it is all just a bunch of crud like the stuff I've seen. I'd like to collect some ideas on what to go check out, and then, if it isn't worth it, opt out of seeing reports on it... Doesn't seem like too much to +ask, especially given the number of topics we now have, and the ease of adding them.
So, especially considering your response, everybody would be better off with a separate topic. People who don't want to see it don't, people who will bitch about seeing it won't see it, and those who wish to see it don't have to put up with those who bitch about it. Everybody saves time and bandwidth. Simple as that.
Not a slow day, just some slow grepping...
Re:+1 On Topic! (Score:1)
Re:topic=Anime (Score:1)
I know Anime happens to be popular, but it doesn't seem to be more popular with nerds than it does with elementary school children or even your average joe college. Non-nerd specific = not really
Re:topic=Anime (Score:1)
Actually, I'd like a Topic=Anime because I'd prefer to read about Anime. It would make finidng articles easier.
Re:Movies I would recommend (Score:1)
Maybe they'll replace it with some of the same shit our own TV shows use. Damn, I'm glad I have the subbed tapes.
Re:Movies I would recommend (Score:1)
Um, two flavors of Slayers? Last I checked, there were Slayers, Slayers Next, and Slayers Try, plus at least one OAV. Really funny series, though the second and third subseries are funnier than the first.
Re:How can any company be so clueless? (Score:1)
Setting psychological prices is NOT supply and demand. It is when you control the whole market (norrowly : you are the only one to have Starwars copyrights, or widely : you are the only one to make a win32 complient OS). In this situation you set the price according to what your customers are ready to pay for the product. Supply and demand is especially irrelevant in the information market (software/music/movies) because you can press about as many CDs/DVDs as you can sell. This is why there are region zones : to let the video industry set psychological prices in every region (higher in US & Europe, lower in China and India) without having people make gray imports from countries where the DVD is the cheapest.
Disney behavior: DVD preview locking (Score:2)
Help bring more animation to DVD (Score:2)
The Simpsons has been announced to be released like the X-Files - by Season - in February, 2001.
Beyond the Simpsons, however, there are a number of series I would want to see. Among them are Batman The Animated Series, The X-Men (I bet I could get many more signatures on a petition after that movie
I currently have a petition to get Batman The Animated Series published on DVD here [123petitions.com] . Please do go sign it
Re:Well, its official..Slashdot has gone *gay*. (Score:2)
I'm a fan of the Propaganda site and am using backgrounds from there as I write this but I have to say on a scale of "coolness", anime has a lot more going for it than swirly jpegs.
Re:the japanese track (Score:2)
Re:topic=Anime (Score:2)
Just don't read it!
You folks have apparently got enough time to bring up articles you don't like and then make comments about how much the're a waste of your time.
Must be a slow day at work, huh?
t_t_b
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I think not; therefore I ain't®
Re:Movies I would recommend (Score:2)
Not to mention the classic Castle of Cagliostro.
Also, while I know it's an old favorite, the animation on the earlier BGCs hasn't aged well. I still love it, but I doubt that it would be a good introduction to anime for most people.
Nausicaa.net highly respected (Score:2)
This site is so well-done that I've heard that even Hayao Miyazaki is most impressed by the depth and scope of how Nausicaa.net explains each Studio Ghibli movie release to non-Japanese audiences.
Because the people who run Nausicaa.net are given a nod of approval by Miyazaki himself, that's why when Nausicaa.net had that petition going it definitely had the credibility to persuade Buena Vista Video to delay the DVD version of Princess Mononoke until they can release an English/Japanese DVD with extensive background notes and details on the making of the movie.
Re:the japanese track (Score:2)
- "This soup tastes like water."
In English, that's a rather ambiguous statement, but in Japanese, it's supposed to be a really nasty jibe at someone's cooking. So, in the English version, the Neil Gaiman changed it around to a line more suited to western audiences:- "This soup tastes like horse piss."
Note the difference. Personally, I'd prefer the English subtitles to be the direct Japanese translation. However, that may seem unfair to the English hearing impared. After all, they deserve to hear Billy-Bob wax poetic about urine just as much as the rest of us. In a perfect world, Disney would but both subtitle tracks into the DVD. But I'd be happy with just one or the other.Re:What the "hell" is with the potty mouth attitud (Score:2)
Re:topic=Anime (Score:2)
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And send thank-you letters where they're due, too (Score:2)
My letter, with Mr. Jessen's address at the top, is right here [themestream.com].
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Re:topic=Anime (Score:2)
It must be the 5th "We need an Anime Topic because we don't wanna read anime news" I've seen recently. I don't get it! Why does it get moderated up to 5 every time. It's disturbing for the rest of us.
Why did you click
"Anime Story"->Reply-> (writing reply)Submit
if this topics doesn't interest you at all!?!?
Re:topic=Anime (Score:2)
The big post that seemed to start this anime stuff here on
A bunch of people put lists up (as a few have done here) but rather than repost mine, I direct you to the one I posted there [slashdot.org].
Note that there are other lists near mine with an equally large array of highly watchable, sometimes even great, fare. Most of us separate our favorites by genre (drama, comedy, scifi/mecha, fantasy) so you can pick and choose what's most likely to appeal to you.
Incidentally, I had a conversation with someone on anime's appeal under the Tenchi Story, our thread is right around here [slashdot.org].
-jpowers
Re:-1 Offtopic (Score:2)
Re:This is great news! (Score:2)
Re:+1 On Topic! (Score:2)
good question (Score:2)
Well, it turned out I switched to Japanese soundtrack+English subtitles, because the English subtitles and English dubbing were significantly different ! It felt so weird !
Hmmm (Score:2)
A number.
hmmmm.
How much is a pre-respun Apex 600A dvd player worth on ebay now? 5 million yen? Ten?
Vampire Hunter D on DVD! (Score:2)
-Vel
the japanese track (Score:2)
so i'm wondering, if you watch it in japanese with english subtitles, will you see a translation of the japanese words? or will you see the english words used by gaiman at that point in the movie? releasing a movie with essentially two different plots is kind of odd even for a feature loaded dvd.......
Re:the japanese track (Score:2)
Anyway, long story short, the PLOT remains identical, just some dialogue details are changed.
What the hell is that? (Score:2)
Is that a guy or a girl?
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But You Left Out the Anime *Tentacle Porn*! (Score:2)
Urotsukidoji (Legend of the Overfiend)--now available in an excellent DVD reviewed at
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews/urotsukid
in all its young-schoolgirl-in-cute-sailor-outfit-getting-bu
2 General misconceptions about anime. (Score:2)
1. Animation & Comics are for kids.
If you believe this, I am trying extremely hard not to think evil thoughts about you right now. I thought people here were supposed to have open minds - but maybe I was being too idealistic. Anyway, I may be able to understand that here in the States, we've been accustomed to cartoons as being a forum for (mostly) children. I cannot understand why bright people can't think outside those lines. The Japanese have a very rich visual tradition, and Comics (Manga) and Animation (Anime) are deeply embedded in their culture. Everyone reads and watches them.
So unless you enjoy making fun of what's different than you (it's called bigotry, friend), think some more before you start advertising your ignorance.
2. Anime mouths are synced to the dialogue.
Most anime is done under a tight budget, and it would require massive amounts of man-power and time to make sure all the character's mouths work with the spoken dialogue - that coupled with the fact that most anime production houses know (or hope) that their product will be translated into other languages basically explains why anime mouths are not synced to dialogue. Most definitely not as "important" as the first one, but just a little annoying thing that I see crops up in replies from time to time. =)
"Topic: CmdrTaco" exists. (Score:2)
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They're still cool. (Score:2)
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About the anime topic... (Score:2)
Secondly, not to offend who did the picture but its not very good looking. Maybe you guys should ask the slash crowd to send a better one? Or maybe not... Hmm... There has to be something that looks better than that...
As for the actual story (OT dodge) i think Disney is doing something right this time. Releasing one of the most popular movies in Japan without a Japanese language option is basically suicide. Blah.
-Elendale (I used to know what those three little dots were called, but now i forget...)Karma burn coming
As i meta-troll again
What AreYou Doing NOT READING this!!!???? (Score:2)
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Re:disney listens? (Score:2)
They re-released The Little Mermaid in theaters at the same time as when Anastasia came out.
Oh, those evil monsters. How could they? I mean, trying to compete with a rival product? For shame. Now this is just the sort of thing the government ought to be seeking an anti-trust ruling on, not those nice Microsoft people.
.Re:disney listens? (Score:2)
Disney has one of the most ruthless marketing departments in the world (personal opinion). Did you see what these guys did when anyone tried to get into their space. For example, Anastasia.
For those of us not paying attention at the time, can you elaborate on this? What did Disney do to the guys who produced Anastasia?
region free players are the norm (Score:2)
N. America. This was Buena Vista Japan's
worry that made them request BV America
not to include the original sound track.
Also given that DVDs usually cost a lot
more $$ in Japan means that these would
for sure have been reverse-imported back
to Japan.
I hop they are just going to release the
"international" version in region 1 and 2
at the same time and just get over themselves,
but it is Disney so probably not.
Lain
Congratulations Slashdot!!! (Score:2)
Slander!!! (Score:2)
Hmm (Score:2)
Re:Anime (Score:2)
loev,
Make sure to give credit where credit is due... (Score:3)
Must-see anime for the doubters... (Score:3)
Read more about it:
http://www.anime-genesis.com/anime/g ra ve.shtml [anime-genesis.com]e s.html [umich.edu]
http://www.u mi ch.edu/~iinet/cjs/films/reviews/graveofthefirefli
http://animedomain.com/addict/ag/gof.html [animedomain.com]
Any video rental shop that rents anime should have a VHS or DVD copy available.
Oh, and pick up some kleenex while you're out. You'll need it.
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Oh my lord! (Score:3)
Anime kids have these stupid petitions all the time, but seldom do the companies ever listen (except for the ones who specialise in anime like AnimEigo). Tens of thousands of people signed the Sailor Moon petitions a few years ago when it went off the air on USA... it took a long time for it to get picked back up.
But they listened... and Disney? Incredible. Anybody have some insight into this?
Yes, slashdot needs an Anime topic.
disney listens? (Score:3)
I'm willing to bet that there may have been some other underlying motive. Maybe the competition is getting ready to put something out and they want to swamp the market at that time.
kick some CAD [cadfu.com]
Errors (Score:4)
Minor corrections and addendums, I think my info is correct as I own most of the titles listed ('cept Pokey & Akira)
El Hazard The Magnificent World 1 is on 4 VHS tapes, not 5. Seven eps total, one on the first volume, two on the following. The first one is as long as two of all the others, except the last one is a little longer. There are two TV series and an additional OAV series, IMO they pale to the original, the same way for Tenchi. Done by most of the same people too.
Escaflowne will be on 8 DVDs as far as I can tell. The present tapes are subtitled only. I can only expect the worst, pray for the best on the dub job, it will go to FOX Kids as noted elsewhere.
Ghost in the Shell Akira, Kiki and Totoro are theatrical movies running at about 90 minutes each, they are not episodic.
Grave of the Fireflies is also available on DVD.
Serial Experiments Lain has 13 episodes.
The mention of Evangelion is missing the movies, which there are several edits, and are mostly intended as a clarification of the last two episodes which apparently those two pissed so many fans off. There is a final edit of the EVA movies, known to us as "Revival of Evangelion" I believe.
For newer stuff, Trigun and Cowboy BeBop seem to be popular. Anything Lupin is hillarious and madcap insanity. Some people _really_ like Slayers, it's not my personal style.
For fantasy, presently the best I've seen is Record of Lodoss War. The OAV set is on DVD, the TV series will be in a few months.
I think the Anime subject addition was a good idea. That way some people can choose not to have it show up on their page. Another incentive for AC's to login...
Other fun Anime. (Score:4)
Humour:
Irresponsible Captain Tyler
The City Hunter series
Dragon Half
More serious:
The "Patlabor" series
This is great news! (Score:4)
Geek hypocrisy (Score:4)
Yes, there is awful anime out there, but there are also awful computer programs, Star Trek movies, useless gadgets, etc etc. For a geek to be so blindly dismissive towards anime smacks of hypocrisy; to adopt the same narrow mindset found in mainstream society that derides geeks as inept social misfits stuck in childhood. How Nietzsche.
After all, aren't geeks supposed to pride themselves as being more inquisitive, playful, and willing to experiment, no matter how supposedly "stupid" or "worthless" the subject may appear be? Aren't geeks supposed to be above proving how "cool" and "macho" they are, above tearing down others because they are different and "wierd"?
Don't slam anime unless you're willing to slam all the other geek hobbies on the same criteria.
Movies I would recommend (Score:5)
Kiki's Delivery Service (1 episode, vhs)
My Friend Totoro (1 episode, vhs)
Pokemon (tv)
Drama:
Macross Plus (4 episodes, 2dvds)
Grave of the Fireflies (1 episode, vhs)
Serial Experiments Lain (14 episodes, 4dvds)
Action:
Ghost in the Shell (1 episode, vhs)
Bubblegum Crisis (8 episodes, 3dvds, tape)
Akira (1 episode, vhs)
Random Highly Recommended:
If you can find these...
Escaflowne (7 vhs)
El Hazard (5 vhs)
Evangelion (26 episodes, 13vhs)
-AS
topic=Anime (Score:5)
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How can any company be so clueless? (Score:5)
Here is a big company, Disney, trying to release a foreign film DVD into its own market. It is putting in big money in the efforts of selling a piece of work that many customers will fork over money for. But it fails to understand the basic motivations and the demographic that is buying this foreign work.
Whatever happened to market research? Whatever happened to giving your customers what they want? Is this big market giant asleep at the wheel?
It happened that this particular case, the fanatical customers were very vocal. But for your average movie, and your average audience, they are just silent. I guess in such cases, these sheep deserve to be ripped off, right?