Willamette and Other IDF Highlights 54
Hoodoo Extreme writes, "There's a new issue out of the Private Eye which takes an interesting look at Willamette from IDF as well as some new info on RAMBUS. Later on in the piece there are some new findings on various 3D chips such as the S3 GX4-C which will follow the Savage 2000. Has anyone heard about this one? " IDF == Intel Developers Forum.
Willamette if done correctly.... (Score:2)
Willamette Using Aluminum interconnects? (Score:2)
Crankey Musings on A Boring Read (Score:2)
So looks like Will'll be out in Q3 of 2000 and probably called Pentium IV. And then there's Rambus:
Not only was RAMBUS a 'Gold Sponsor' (that means they're in bed with Intel) at this year's IDF but did anyone notice their stock soar earlier this week (up over 50%!)? We met with RAMBUS' Steven Woo, who explained the sharp rise in stock being due to Intel's announcements that the Willamette, Tehama and Timna platforms will only run with RDRAM.
Do we really want to pay 3x the price for RAM?
Fortunately, there's AMD, who was "showing off a very impressive 1.1Ghz Athlon with the new "Thunderbird" core (on-die L2 cache)."
Talk about power of 10! I think I'll be going with AMD from now on.
At least it's something guininely new... (Score:1)
I'm not a big Intel fan (I laughed my ass off when I first saw Athlon benchmarks) but at least Intel seems to be doing something very new. That fast a bus will be a big deal.
All Athlon contributed was a supposed 200MHz bus, but using ordinary (100MHz) SDRAM. Even Sledgehammer sounds like more of the same.
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Iritanium... (Score:1)
With AMD hitting at its low end range of processors, and Crusoe bound to fight for its higher end range, Intel has to do much more than it is doing now to stay in contention in the chip market.
Re:Iritanium... (Score:1)
You mean that the other way around, right?
Re:Willamette is about to be mired in lawsuits (Score:1)
Re:At least it's something guininely new... (Score:1)
how good is the new willamette really...??? (Score:1)
I know this is off-topic, but..... (Score:1)
I know this is off-topic, but I dunno where to post it, and I wanted to put it somewhere where most ./ers would see because it's kinda funny.
In this picture [xoom.com], if you take off the moustache, I swear that mahir "I kiss you!" guy looks a lot like CmdrTaco. It's scary. Go ahead and moderate it down if you want, but I can't think of anywhere else to post it.
Re:Willamette is about to be mired in lawsuits (Score:1)
This is essentially the same thing as me explaining the average non-techy person how computers have pressure sensors in the keyboard that increase the processor speed when you hit the keys impatiently. It's amazing how many people believe me.
90% of specifications are made up. (Score:1)
2560 just seems a suspicious number unless there's a 256 bit pipeline with 10 stages and they're adding the stages together. They would after all be moving 2560 bits at the same time. This is of course speculation.
Re:Slow BUS speed. (Score:2)
The 48 gigabytes of bandwidth does sound impressive but it is listed as "DRAM bus bandwidth" for the graphics. It isn't clear (on the list of specs) if this is part of the 32 megs of rdram or dedicated graphics memory.
From 3dfx's website the Voodoo3, the Voodoo3 3500 has a peak bandwidth of just under 3 GB per second.
Re:Slow BUS speed. (Score:1)
Which is damn impressive for a whole machine that costs less then the Willamet
Inspired Trolling (Score:1)
The only thing that could possibly have made it better is if it was a little more readable
Anyways, congratulations on elevating trolling to an art form.
(Who needs Karma anyway?)
Will - am - ette? Wtf? (Score:1)
I propose calling the Willamette by an alternative name, maybe the Death AMD Killer 10000. At least that has style.
And don't get me started on Itanium....
RAMBUS - it's alive? (Score:1)
It just seems that every time I here about RAMBUS the ante has been upped, and sooner or later something's going to hit the fan....
Re:Willamette is about to be mired in lawsuits (Score:1)
Re:Crankey Musings on A Boring Read (Score:1)
It's all about the Pentiums, baby! [zdnet.com] that is, the Willamette and Timna at IDF.
AMD crashes Intel's desert chip-fest [zdnet.com] with its 1.1 GHz (1.116 MHz to be exact) Athlon demo.
Re:Willamette is about to be mired in lawsuits (Score:1)
Its language may offend some of us, and I don't want to encorage too many simillar posts, but OTOH, this one is just too hillariously funny to be ignored, so we might forgive the streetlawyer.
Intel Scrambling? (Score:3)
Anyway, someone must have looked up and realized that AMD was coming from one side and Transmeta from another and the two of them were getting ready to divvy up Intel's entire market between them. And while they're out there showing blue sky, here in the real world AMD is still leading them in terms of processor and memory speed.
Isn't competition wonderful?
Re:Intel Scrambling? (Score:2)
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Re:VA / Slash-dot Giveaway! NOT (Score:4)
There isn't a Slashdot Giveaway
Things like this would be posted on the VA website [valinux.com], not on Slashdot.
My apologies to anyone who has been misled by this poster.
--Kit
Re:Iritanium... (Score:2)
Schadenfreude towards Intel (Score:1)
The other thing I don't understand is what makes Intel so bad but AMD or Digital/Compaq the good guys. AMD I can almost understand -- they make a CPU swap-in compatible with Intel CPUs, but its not like they're giving them away for free, either. And Alpha systems are outrageously priced, I don't care how good the performance is, for $4-6k, entry-level (prices from Pricewatch) doesn't do much for the average hobbyist.
And while I'm on the subject, when are we going to see SMP chipsets for Athlon?
Re:Willamette Using Aluminum interconnects? (Score:2)
As for the bus, 400MHz sounds pretty impressive, but until memory technology catches up, that extra bandwidth will remain wasted (at least on single processor systems).
Re:Will - am - ette? Wtf? (Score:2)
Re:how good is the new willamette really...??? (Score:1)
The core of the processor is pretty much new, so I don't know that the problems with the P3 will carry over or not. Probably will just have its own, all-new set of "errata".
Intel is really screwing with people on this one. They have lost their raw MHz & performance leads to AMD. To cover this fact up, they are:
1. Playing games with processor speed. "Your processor runs at 1GHz...well ours runs at 3GHz!" Of course this is only one small portion of the chip. Also forgetting to mention the numerous trade-offs they had to make, like 20 stage pipelines that will take huge hits on missed branch predictions.
2. I am sure in certain circumstances the Willy will blow the doors off the Athlon, but these most likely will be with some synthetic, hand-tuned benchmarks. The PR group will latch onto to these as proof that your Internet browsing experience will be so much better.
3. FP performance is going out the door, they are not trying to improve it anymore. For example, the 'FXCH' instruction which is commonly used in FP code is now taking a big performance hit. Intel is betting the farm on SSE, hoping they can get software developers on their side and ignoring the existing software base out there (forget good Quake framerates with this chip).
RAM prices (Score:1)
Also, when i read that Timna will have native RAMBUS only forced through a MTH so it can only take SDRAM, I was confused, as that cripples performance, until I realized, "Intel's doing that so Rambus will get a cut of the price due to royalties," which is probably due to exclusivity contracts with Rambus.
Finally, it's interesting that Intel is pushing DDRRAM for servers, which are notorious for needing high performance, which seems to say Rambus can't cut it at that level, yet at a far higher price. So, in all likelyhood they know Rambus is inferior, yet are still pushing it for consumer-level. Gotta love that company!
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Re:Why doesn't INTEL ever post FLOPS ?? (Score:1)
They have always been significantly behind their RISC competition (especially Alpha). This is mostly due to the original design of the x87 instruction set and its stack-based register structure.
In the x86 arena, they have always been in the lead. Not so much because their design was so good, but FP is something companies are willing to skimp on to make a chip, especially in the low-end of the market. Now here comes Athlon which showed everyone that you can still remain compatible to the x87 instruction set, but have signifiantly higher performance. Unfortunately, Intel has decided with the Willy to not try to compete with AMD, but instead shift focus to SSE. Time will tell if this works or not...
Re:Inspired Trolling (Score:1)
(They get beaten savagely with olive loaves.)
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Re:Intel Scrambling? (Score:1)
Re:90% of specifications are made up. (Score:1)
Re:Why doesn't INTEL ever post FLOPS ?? (Score:1)
Re:Schadenfreude towards Intel (Score:1)
Re:Will - am - ette? Wtf? (Score:1)
only the 1.7 million people living in the portland metropolitan area, through which the will-AM-ette river runs.
it's not that hard. as the locals say: "it's willamette, dammit."
Re:RAM prices (Score:1)
RDRAM alive? Don't bet on it. (Score:1)
I'm betting on "Anyone But Rambus".
If Intel continues to tie their fortunes to Rambus, they're in for lots of serious pain.
Re:Schadenfreude towards Intel (Score:1)
Hidden RAM tax (Score:1)
Also debuted at IDF: 3 X 5" PIII motherboard (Score:1)
400 MHz in your pocket.
Re:Why doesn't INTEL ever post FLOPS ?? (Score:1)
While M$ Word won't care if your CPU does only 1 FLOP/s or 10 billion FLOP/s (well, at 1 FLOP/s...) or even use that much, oftentimes programs use floating point.
As for other than games, if you use a spreadsheet, that's a nice use of floating point there. Or perhaps sound editing (usually integer, but sines and cosines have an awful habit of being in [0,1], and FLOP/s are important when you want to do accurate fourier transforms). Or perhaps GIMP/Photoshop. Or perhaps apps like CAD/FEM(finite element modeling)/etc.
Just my pointless bool bit[2]; .
Re:Intel Scrambling? (Score:2)