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Not interested (Score:5, Insightful)
I am a machinist. I could find a better paying position easily, but I chose to stay where I am because it's a 10 minute commute, against traffic, the shop is air conditioned and my hours are fairly flexible (this helps when you have kids). I could find a job that pays 25% more pretty easily, but the added commute and the other (invisible) benefits I listed are worth more than that to me. It's a matter of picking what's important to you. The other side of the equation is adjusting your living expenses to yourself really chosen income.
It's not always about the money... (Score:5, Insightful)
My mortgage is paid off. I get a pension from my last job [there for 23 years]. I can commute to work in 10 minutes, and I like the work and the people there. My wife makes six figures at her job... Nah..I don't need another job, even if it did pay a lot better. What would I buy? More toys? Ho hum.
It is not about the money... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's not always about the money... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not always about the money.....?
That's a phrase I hear from hippies, who are too baked to give a shit, or people who already have all the money they need.
Until I become one or the other, it's ALL about the money.
I have all the money I need. You know why? I don't want much. Most physical possessions are more trouble than they are worth, the rest I consider disposable.
Constant advertising has programed people to want everything now. Avoid brain washing adverts as much as possible you will buy less junk and have more cash for the things that matter, like holidays.
Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
I just can't understand why a person would even consider a 2-hour commute, let alone a half-hour commute. That isn't free time. That time is part of an obligation, time that would be yours if it wasn't for the obligation. The commute is part of work, not seperate from it. If you work 8 hours a day with a 2-hour commute each way, you aren't working 8 hours a day -- you're working 12 hours a day. It doesn't matter that you can play with your smartphone or look out the window. The bottom line is that you wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the obligation. The commute isn't your time -- the commute is your employer's time, yet he doesn't have to pay for it. Every minute of your commute -- even if it's only 10 minutes, you are working for free.
I suspect this is something most people don't realize or even consider until at least age 35.
Re:It's not always about the money... (Score:4, Insightful)
What sort of people are these who can afford to go on vacation twice a year, and can afford to take an airplane to do so? I am in the top 10% of household income according to the statistics, I drive a 12 year old car, I don't have expensive toys or hobbies, and I fall short of meeting the bills every month. The idea of even one multithousand dollar vacation a year is a pipe dream. I think the problem is that I have children. In fact, we had one girl and then unexpected twins. My wife had a child from a previous marriage, so we are supporting 4 kids. I am convinced that in order to satisfactorily support 4 children, you have to make $120k a year. And I don't.
Re:Not interested (Score:5, Insightful)
My first thought was "Where are the quality of life options?"
It's 2012. If you're capable of reading Slashdot, you probably make enough money to be comfortable. Hell, most people below the poverty line in the US have air conditioning, satellite or cable TV, a mobile phone, a computer, and more than enough healthy food available. That sounds pretty comfortable to me.
So the hell with more money. Give me life, fucker!
After a "chasing the dream" move that backfired.. (Score:3, Insightful)
...I'd say that pay is important, yes -- but to me, now that I've gone through a crap environment and found a good environment, I'll have to say no money can compensate for a crap environment.
When the job owns you, consuming your every minute, it's not worth having.
Just my 1.6Â¥, mind you.
Re:I probably shouldn't have voted. (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course there's loyalty in the business world. If your boss treats you fairly you're less likely to jump ship even if someone else offers a little bit more. On the other hand, if your boss is a real jerk, you'll leave the first chance you get.
And from the other side it works the same way. "Loyal" employers may not be able to avoid layoffs but they can be upfront about them and try very hard to find another job for you through their business networks.