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4 tens is awfully nice (Score:5, Interesting)
9 nines (Score:5, Interesting)
My favorite schedule was working 9 hours a day and then getting every other friday off (the other friday was actually 8 hours so it added 80 hours for the two weeks). It lets you run errands that had to be done during "normal business hours" without wasting vacation, and gave you plenty of three-day weekends to get out of town. I didn't find the days to be too long. I seem to be able to concentrate in about 3-hour chunks, so this gave me three of them, with a lunch break and an afternoon break to split them up.
Now I am working an odd schedule to accommodate taking classes part time, so I can't do that anymore.
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I have flexi-time (aka fluid-time). If I wasn't so lazy in the mornings I'd take advantage of it and take every other Friday off, but I'm crap at getting out of bed in the mornings, so I always arrive at 10:00 (the latest allowed), and I don't really like leaving after 18:00.
I'm meant to work 36 hours a week (not including lunch), so nine days of, say, 9:20 to 18:10 would be fine.
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If I wasn't so lazy in the mornings I'd take advantage of it and take every other Friday off, but I'm crap at getting out of bed in the mornings, so I always arrive at 10:00 (the latest allowed)
I'm jealous :) The place where I work is run by early-birds. I used to show up the latest that was allowed, which is 8:30. But then I was forced to start taking the bus for medical reasons, which takes 2-3 times as long as driving, and there are only a limited number of runs in the morning and afternoon. I can't stay at the office any later than 5:00 to catch the last bus, and on days when I have to leave at a non-commuter time to go to class, I have to walk 45 minutes to the nearest bus stop. Because of al
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I cycle to work, which takes 25 minutes, and it's nice to have the small roads to myself at 9:30. If I want to take the train I have to leave the house at 15 minutes earlier, the train journey is only 12 minutes (with trains every 15 minutes ~5:30-23:30) but I have a 15 minute walk at each end.
Online route-planners suggest my journey would still take 20 minutes off peak by car, which pretty much explains why I don't own one.
Something that stops you driving probably stops you cycling, but a folding bike woul
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How about a unicycle? With some "nice" clothes you could possibly rack up some extra dough on the way home, too. :-)
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I almost bought one (a supermarket was selling them for £35). Maybe when the weather gets better and the daylight lasts longer.
My sister's flatmate used to cycle to university on one, and I think he recently unicycled from one end of the country to the other with a friend for charity.
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If you can't bike you might also look into a push scooter for the walking part; they make adult sized ones that fold up for the bus ride and I have heard good things about them. And they look fun!
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So go to sleep an hour earlier and you'll be fine. Seriously, waking up a 5:45 every morning, provided you go to sleep at least on the same day, is a GOOD thing.
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Get up every Monday at 4 AM, take the first flight out to client site (which is usually at least 4-5 hours away). Show up every day thereafter every morning before 7 AM.
Leave work at 8 PM in the evening and go to work at the hotel on a good day; bad days are, well, bad (with beer, of course). Fly back on Fridays in the afternoon; get back home on Friday nights. Have normal (4-6 hour) work days on the weekends.
You fly first class, stay at great hotels, expense your beer... And the US government taxes your b
Re:9 nines (Score:5, Insightful)
So what? There is never a case where having $1 more taxable income (with the same deductions) will ever result in more than $0.35 more given to the government. You'll never get less than $0.65 for any single dollar earned.
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I had a bad week and turned up at 10:45 for a few days in a row. No one said anything, but I apologised to my manager anyway. She said she didn't care -- she'd noticed I'm always at my desk 10 minutes before any morning meeting, and didn't mind about when I did the rest of the work.
But, I try and stick to 10:00 otherwise I'd just get later and later. I know someone that has much more flexible time (at Google), but when you're going in at midday you end up wasting your evening at work.
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I noticed that I'm usually here around 9 hours anyway, so I'm planning on doing about the same deal starting next year. But rather than taking every other Friday, I'll work a half day every Friday. We have one other person doing that, and it seems to work out well - that half day's about right to catch up on the paperwork that accumulated during the week. And if I want / need a 3 day weekend, it only takes a half day worth of vacation time. :)
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It lets you run errands that had to be done during "normal business hours" without wasting vacation,
That's my primary pet peeve. Particularly with UPS. I tend to order a lot of stuff - a lot of which can't be left without a signature - naturally UPS typically only delivers during the week when I'm at work son there's never going to be anyone home to sign for a package. No problem, I don't mind going to the office to pick it up. Here's where the rub comes in though: the office is open from 10:00 to 5:00 and is about 30 miles from me (so too far to make it to and back within a 1 hr lunch break). My wor
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Long story short, can't you just put your address for delivery as your workplace? Might not work for big packages for you, but I don't know what you're ordering :P.
Unfortunately what I'm usually ordering is firearms. I'm a collector and have a C&R Federal Firearms License which allows me to purchase older collectible arms through the mail and be shipped directly to my home, but by law the shipping address has to match what's on my license.
I also have some weird feeling that I'd end up on CNN if I had a Mauser K98 shipped to me at work :).
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That technically works, but it kinda defeats the purpose of having the C&R in the first place :). I do know a guy with a regular FFL that I use for transferring non C&R arms but that's even more hassle than getting to the UPS office :).
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At one job I worked both, and the 4x10 was sure nice. I was working 10-hour days anyway, even when we were on 5x8... which was the reason we switched from 4x10 to 9x9...
You see, the employees were given the opportunity to vote on either four-forty or nine-eighty, and selected the former. For six months we worked four ten hour days and had every friday off.
Then the VP of Programs and the Director of Engineering noticed that schedules were slipping and overall productivity had declined. When they investiga
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I used to work three 12.5-hour days a week, and I detested it. Those people are right, that first day to day and a half is spent recovering. Also, by the end of each day, I was toast. I might as well not have even been there. About halfway through the third day when I was on that shift, I would literally go to the can so that I could nod off for ten or fifteen minutes at a time.
Now, I work a weird rotating shift where I put in two weeks of five eight-hour days, a week of four ten-hour days, and a week o
Re:4 tens is awfully nice (Score:5, Interesting)
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4 tens is probably a happy medium where you have three days off, but the days at work are not too bad.
The biggest problem I've seen with 12 hour days is that some employers will demand you work mandatory overtime, so those three days that run you ragged become four, then perhaps five, and if you don't work them, someone else will in this economy. It gets worse when the two days off are not contiguous so by the time you get caught up on sleep, and maybe do some basic things on the off days, it is back to wo
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I've rarely noticed the quality of my code specifically dropping during 12-hour days. I do, however, think it causes some other complications.
If you're at a stage in a project where you just have a lot of code and testing to ram through, so you can keep busy, it works pretty well. If you've got to wait for someone to make a decision, or hear back from a customer, or even just are in a stage of a project where you're waiting on anything, you can end up with a lot of wasted hours at work, still in front of yo
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Some of the best code I ever wrote (by % of errors per line, elegance of code, readability and bench marked tests) was written over a period when I was doing 40 hour days. I woke up, started working and didn't really stop other than to grab a quick bite at fast food/take out or use the rest room. (I was working from home.)
I don't think this is sustainable, but I did go for two weeks(ish) using this schedule and the results were amazing. But this was software and it takes oodles of time to get your brain
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Some of the best code I ever wrote (by % of errors per line, elegance of code, readability and bench marked tests) was written over a period when I was doing 40 hour days.
40 hour days? Nice. So were you working on Venus or Mercury. Or do I have the honor of speaking to Doc. Brown?
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I acknowledge my mistake here. I assumed that the reader would understand that "40 hour days" refers to 40 hours of straight, uninterrupted work. I will keep in mind that this is /.. In the future I will ensure that I use broken grammar and fully explain the subject as if I were talking to a 4 year old...
I guess I could start now. You see by "40 hour days", what I mean is, instead of punching in
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Reminds of of a quote I heard:
You've probably had days on which you've worked well from 8AM to 2PM and then felt like quitting. You didn't quit, though; you pushed on from 2PM to 5PM and then spent the rest of the week fixing what you wrote from 2 to 5.
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That's an excellent point, and one missed by too many managers who assume that every hour a programmer works is interchangeable.
*Maybe* if the programmer is still relatively young and has ready sources of free caffeine, can you make this assumption.
In my own experience, people (not just managers) tend to be useless by Friday afternoon. So that's when I schedule meetings/discussions where free-form ideas are the focus, or catch-up meetings where we simply have to discuss the details of what happened during t
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I used to work at a company that did four ten hour days, but structured it such that you got a four day weekend every other week. It went like this,
Work Monday,Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
Take off Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday
Work Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday
Take off Saturday, Sunday
This worked out nicely for vacations. You could bookend a two week vacation with two of the four day week ends, getting sixteen days away from work instead of fourteen.
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Well, actually, it sucks, but the three day weekends were awesome. Now I'm on 5 eights and I miss it terribly. I used to work at a place that had some people doing 3 twelves, so they had four day weekends every week -- which would appear to be even better, but they said they spent the first day sleeping to recover.
To be completely honest, I'm working 9 hours a day on a good day... And it isn't hard to hit 10. The problem is that I'm supposed to be working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.
If I could actually just work 10/4 that'd be terrific.
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I even got called back in four hours into my holiday for a meeting yesterday afternoon.
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Luxury!
I used to get up at 10 o'clock at night--half an hour BEFORE I went to bed--work 29 hours a day down mill, and pay the mill owner for permission to come to work. Then when I'd get home, my dad would kill me and dance about on my grave singing 'Allelujah!
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Luxury!
I used to get up at 10 o'clock at night--half an hour BEFORE I went to bed--work 29 hours a day down mill, and pay the mill owner for permission to come to work.
I know you're being facetious, but I actually used to get stuck on thirty hour shifts when I worked for US Foodservice pulling orders. I'd go in at 5 pm, pull orders until about 5 or 6 am when the orders were going out, and then get put on a delivery run a state or two away that would entail three to five hours of driving each way (not counting the time between stops). I wasn't driving, so I could supposedly catnap along the way, but I'm a terribly light sleeper, and bouncing along in a semi makes it toug
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I used to work at a place that had some people doing 3 twelves, so they had four day weekends every week -- which would appear to be even better, but they said they spent the first day sleeping to recover.
Wusses. When I was in the Navy, we worked 6 or 7 twelves each week, with an overnight every third day. I wish I could say I was joking or exaggerating.
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3 12's? I worked with people that did that too.
They said that with 4 days off a week, they spent more money than before entertaining themselves.
Not sure if this really counts as more complex... (Score:2)
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My day job is as a contractor
I work when I have jobs, play when I feel like it
Haul ass and get all the week's work done, then go play and enjoy life
80% time, 5 days a week. (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm on "four fifths" (i.e. 4 days a week), but blocked together into 5-day a week slots. This gives me 2.5 months off a year above my usual paid leave.
I quite like it.
4.5 days per week (Score:2)
Five 8.3 hour days one week, Four the next, so a long weekend every other week (And an extra-long weekend on Thursday/Friday/Monday holidays). Comes to a 37.5 hour week.
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My schedule is similiar.
In a two week period I work nine days. Eight of those days are nine working hours and the ninth day is my short eight hour day. Where I work the schedules are arranged such that as few people as possible have the same regular days off. My schedule is odd to me in that my pay period actually starts out with me taking a day off, and then working a little extra each day to make up for it.
Anyways I get every other Monday as one of my regular days off, and I love it! Having a long weekend
Of course (Score:5, Funny)
Our norse mythology tells us that one shouldn't work on fridays, but rather drink and fuck. Makes perfect sense to me, as work is hard to fit into that agenda.
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You need to get out of the software business then!
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There's enough left of my corpse that the Valkyries come down and carry me back to Valhalla.
I believe the eternal sex goes on in Freya's realm, Vanaheimr. Valhalla's more for if you're into wrestling sweaty warrior guys forever. To each his or her own!
"8 days a week" (appology to Beatles) (Score:4, Funny)
No formal vacation since 1996 - "I take my vacation an hour or two at a time" on my motorcycle. If the sun hits my video screen, I'm off for an hour or two - but otherwise you'll find me working, either on client stuff or on my own stuff.
OK - I'm a work-a-holic - but at least I get to set my own hours... hey, wait, isn't this about exactly that?
OK - 12 hours/day, 7 days/week, but I get to pick which hours
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When you have student loans, when the economy is crap, when you don't want to blow up all your savings and do not want to bum off, when you do not have a job that lets you show up at 8 and leave at 5 and so on.
In most places, you get paid less when you only have to work 4 days a week. Besides, even working 7 days a week and travel, work is never ending.
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I'd pick 6 days a week. (Score:2)
Govt Schedules (Score:3, Informative)
9 days in two weeks. This could work well for you get every other weekend as a 3-day weekend. Plus they actually pay overtime if they approve it to be worked. They mainly do this to help with the flow of traffic into and out of DC, They also allow very interesting work hours shifts. 5:00 - 1:30 (or 2:00) (includes break) or various different times from there up until around 10:00am - end of their 8-hour shift.
Four days in a six day week (Score:2)
When I was a student, I used to hate Sundays. So a flat mate and I devised a system that would rid us of that dreaded day: The 28-hour day: 18 hours awake, 10 hours of sleep. Giving you six days in a week. Don't expect to see much daylight. And find an employer that will allow you to work weird hours. We figured four ten-hour "days".
Don't ask me how it worked out for us, because we never got around to really trying it.
and by "when I was a student"... (Score:2, Informative)
you actually mean "when I read that xkcd"
http://xkcd.com/320/
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To be fair, people have experimented with various schedules like that for centuries (including, supposedly, Tesla and other famous scientists) - the 28 hour day probably works out as the one that makes the most sense and that syncs up reasonably well to the rest of the world.
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I "invented" this particular rhythm in college. I had a job working Friday and Saturday nights but needed to be awake for my classes, so I devised a 28-hour day. Long story short, it never worked.
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Of course, now nobody sees him anymore.
Right now it's about 12 x 4 + 8, so... (Score:2)
If I took my 56 hours/week and moved them to four days, I'd have to do 14 hour days, which I don't think I'd endure.
Other than the pure math problem, I'd rather like to have three long work days and a four day weekend.
I do allocate my work hours over 3 days a week. (Score:4, Interesting)
Which is enough to pay for a nice house for my wife and daughter and daily expenses. We don't care much about luxuries and material stuff.
Note however, that I'm dutch and the Netherlands currently have the highest percentage of parttime workers, most of them female but many of them male (32 hour weeks are quite common here).
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Do you have health insurance?
Re:I do allocate my work hours over 3 days a week. (Score:5, Insightful)
Uh, he's Dutch.
In fact, for any first world country, where $COUNTRYNAME != "USA" the answer is "Of course, why on earth would you ask such a strange question".
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I didn't know how weird it was down there until I watched Sicko. Although we do pay for it up here, I've had Universal Health Care for my whole life.
Both my kids were C-section babies (as was I) so it would have been thousands for each of them. I did have to pay $12 for parking, but that was it.
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But you don't get to keep your money - the US spends more on government provided healthcare than most other first world nations.
Yes, you're being taxed more for not getting free health care than citizens of other countries are for getting free healthcare.
28 hour day (Score:4, Interesting)
I've really wanted to try that for awhile now, haven't been in a position to be able to do so.
The Title Text (Score:3, Insightful)
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I don't think anyone will be able to do this for a long time. At least not without serious problems. This as we have adapted to the rotation of the earth: a day lasts 24 hours. So our natural clocks also tick at that pace (well slightly longer than 24 hours if left on it's own but we constantly reset the clock using clues like daylight and mealtimes).
Forcing your body on a different (28-hour) rhythm will cause problems. Sleep and wake hormones produced at the wrong intervals is what comes to mind first. Sl
Least Favorite: 12 4's (Score:2)
Complex Arrangement (Score:2, Redundant)
What does the office has to do with anything? (Score:2)
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"...who needs an office anyway?"
Or a life.
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Using mobile technolgies I find it much easier to participate in events generally described as "a life".
Alternate Fridays as EDOs (Score:2, Informative)
Work 7.78 hours a day, 5 days one week, 4 days the next.
Not sure how the union and employer ended up with that arrangement, but I'm not complaining either!
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35 hour workweek, x2 = 70, /9 = 7.78.
4 tens (Score:2)
and it's flippin' AWESOME.
The double-week schedule (Score:2)
I haven't actually tried this, but I've been wondering if a 10 + 4 day schedule -- 10 working days followed by a 4 day weekend -- might not be better for complex technical work than the standard 5 + 2 schedule. Seems like, with the standard schedule, the weekend often interrupts me just as I'm getting the whole problem loaded into my head.
4 Days (Score:2)
is preferred, but whatever I do - there is always going to be someone that needs something done ASAP.
So I plan for 4, but the 5 working days are always full, with at most a daily delay in delivering stuff.
I work 2/2 (Score:5, Interesting)
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What do you do, if you don't mind me asking? The people I know who do this are all either ship captains or oil workers.
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Submariner (Score:5, Interesting)
When I was in the Navy I was a member of the US Submarine Force. Underway we took 6-hour shifts on watch and 12 hours off watch starting at the first full quarter of the day.
We had multiple shift-types we had to stand. Port and Starboard were the worst. 6 hours on 6 hours off (or 12 hours on 12 hours off) - boat-dependent.
Then there was 3 shifts and oft-never-seen 4 shifts.
Port and starboard - Always worked the same shift but broken up. 6 hours off between shifts.
0000 to 0600.I
0600 to 1200.II
1200 to 1800.I
1800 to 0000.II
3 shift - Always worked the shift you relieved this time 12 hours later. 12 hours off.
0000 to 0600.I
0600 to 1200.II
1200 to 1800.III
1800 to 0000.I
0000 to 0600.II
0600 to 1200.III
1200 to 1800.I
1800 to 0000.II
0000 to 0600.III
0600 to 1200.I
1200 to 1800.II
1800 to 0000.III
4 shifts - always worked the same shifts and you have 18 hours off.
0000 to 0600.I --worst shift. No drills but it guaranteed your sleep will be interrupted in II and III.
0600 to 1200.II --good shift to hold as drills never interrupted your sleep.
1200 to 1800.III --best shift to hold as drills never interrupted your sleep.
1800 to 0000.IV -- guaranteed 6 hours sleep. Good shift also.
0000 to 0600.I
0600 to 1200.II
1200 to 1800.III
1800 to 0000.IV
0000 to 0600.I
0600 to 1200.II
1200 to 1800.III
1800 to 0000.IV
I got more sleep underway than I ever did in port.
Work? (Score:2)
I believe I have found the perfect work schedule: 7 days off, 0 days on. 365 days of vacation a year. Best job I have ever had. It was expected that I would 'go into consulting' when I retired at 55. I am SO glad I resisted the temptation to 'make more money' when it was unnecessary. Oddly, I'm 'richer' now (I use the term very loosely) than when I was working. I don't pay FICA. I don't drive 50 miles per day. I don't feel compelled to go 'out to lunch' or to buy stuff I don't really need. Highly recommende
Re:Work? (Score:4, Funny)
59 more days, just 59 more....
If you're counting down the time to retirement - I hope to God you don't have a young partner. Otherwise, you're about to be violently killed.
But on a bright note - your partner will avenge your death (and then will start dating your beautiful daughter).
4 days, but non-flaky hours please (Score:2)
Perfect work schedule (Score:2)
Work on retainer, check incoming emails and calls plus followup on Monday from 10:00-12:00, the rest of the week off.
Hard work, but somebody has to do it.
Four tens (Score:2)
My first job - an internship, actually - was at a firm that did four ten-hour days. It being my first "real world" job, the long days were a bit tough; but I loved having a three day weekend every week.
Nowadays I work five days a week; but I get to telecommute one of those days which is certainly a plus. I'd love to get back to four tens, though. I'm not sure how well that'd work in IT, though, since it seems like you're (almost) never truly off.
As it is now (Score:2)
Assuming we're talking a standard number of hours in your typical "9 to 5" job (there's your clue: usually around 35-37 hours per week depending on breaks etc) and redistributing those hours. I mean, we'd all love to sit in work for 5 minutes and earn the same, but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way.
We work 8-5 with an hour for lunch Mon-Thurs, and 8-1 on Friday. Having that Friday afternoon free is awesome, well worth the effort of getting up an hour earlier IMO. It's a certain amount of "me
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You get to count your lunch hour as work time? For engineers in Detroit, 8-5 = 8 hours of work, but most people wind up working 7-5, and for no overtime/comp-time. (still only counts as 8 hours)
On the flip side we always got Christmas to New Years off. I am going to miss that.
It never ends... (Score:2)
I'm self-employed, you insensitive clod! They're ALL work hours!
Or more accurately, I have hours when things are getting done, and hours when work is piling up. I can theoretically allocate them any way I want. As long as I get in at least 170 hours a week of productive work, I won't fall any further behind.
5 x 7 (Score:2)
35 hour working week - it's the law.
(guess where).
(By the way, slashdot, I'm not a fucking cowboy).
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France or Italy
4 day week works, because (Score:2)
I lose too much time commuting during regular business hours (traffic is a nightmare).
If I work the extra hour before and after regular business hours, my commute time is cut down massively. Those extra 2 hours, over 4 days, would cover the 5th days core business hours.
So that would be my preference. Same working hours a week, less commute time, 3 day week-end.
5 x 8, but variable (Score:2)
I work from home doing a standard work week, but I spread my 8 hours out over the day. I have to interact with India, Denver, and Cali, so I'm faced with meetings at all hours of the day. I also have to work weekends when doing work on our website.
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I have an aquarium that needs to be siphoned dry.
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over == across (or spread across) in the work-week context.
If we are talking absolute hours, then over == '>', as in "over 40 hours".
That's English for you! (well, all human languages have this issue, with the exception of a few artificial ones (loglan/lojban) - but English is worse than many)
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OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!
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I know what you mean. But in my case it is 122 miles one-way. To cut down on the driving, I sleep under my desk Monday and Tuesday night, but Thursday and Friday I wind up driving 4 hours to work my eight.
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Indeed, if we can produce enough for everyone *and* have enough jobs for everyone by cutting everyone's hours, that's the way to go. The IWW (who you may remember from history class) advocate a 4-hour work day [iww.org].
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Don't worry about it.
Eventually you'll realize that the reason your feet hurt is that when the mail comes in, the dust is the bones of leprachauns who tries to stop the mail. The dust settles on the floor, making it uneven. Most people can't see it or feel, but you're the chosen one.
Who will guide the leprachauns to their final victory over the mail? That, h4x0t, is when your degree in chemistry comes in.