Journal t_allardyce's Journal: Vanunu Interview Smuggled Out 38
Oh I love to see governments squirm and get pissed off when theres nothing they can do about it. I was loosing hope for the BBC since Fame Academy 2 (when you copy a crap show like pop-idol but take out the best part thats what you get) but this was brilliant! they managed to get an interview with this guy and used an Israeli interviewer to get past the rule that he couldnt talk to foreign press! They got raided half way through and had tapes confiscated but still managed to smuggle the whole thing back to London, just like in good old 1986! Of course the Israeli government was as pissed as shit claiming that the interview revealed more secrets (which of course are very very dangerous secrets that would allow anyone full access to Israels nuclear weapons) and even more brilliantly said that the BBC was a:
"communications organization whose goal is to undermine the legitimacy of the state of Israel. It promotes hostile coverage of Israel... and the Vanunu affair proves that the BBC is a communications entity which shows complete disregard for journalistic standards and ethics. Their journalistic culture can be compared to that of media outlets in Arab states, or in the Palestinian Authority." source
Lets just take a look at that:
- communications organization - check, its still a free-speech world right?
- goal is to undermine the legitimacy of the state of Israel - your goal is to undermine the legitimacy of the state of Palestine - snap!
- complete disregard for journalistic standards and ethics - OH REALLY!? you can talk about ethics when you kidnap someone from another country and treat them like shit for 18 years.
- Comparable to Arab media and Palestinian Authority - now your just being mean
So of course they begged the BBC to not show the interview, they got down on their knees and started sucki.. oh wait got carried away there, basically they're pissed off to the max and I was worried that maybe the show would be cancelled and replaced with a repeat of The Good Life but no it went on. This thing needs to be seen and this guy frankly needs to be rescued by the Brits. Id like to think that if he decided to leg it to the British embassy we would help him and fly him out.
And lastly all these people who think he gave away dangerous secrets - WTF are you smoking? how was the information dangerous? how did it give terrorists access to nuclear weapons? Dimona was _known_ to be a _reactor_ it had a big fucking dome on it and radiation signs around it, if a terrorist wanted to blow it up they would do it because of that and no, blowing it up would not cause a nuclear detonation it would be like a normal reactor blowing up which they already knew! Secondly the nuclear stockpile will not be stored there and he did not know or reveal the locations of those weapons. What he did say was a confirmation of what US inspectors had suspected in the 60's - in their own report which is publicly availiable now they believed that they wern't being told the whole truth, Vanunu helped America and yet even Americans consider him a traitor!?
I really did try to have a fair and balanced argument before but, Israeli government - go fuck yourselves, you kidnap, censor, treat like shit, then censor again, then arrest our journalists and get away with it! And for what its worth, if he was revealing nuclear secrets about my country I would still call him a hero.
I love the BBC (Score:1)
just wanted to add:
Go BB! Go BB! Go, Go, Go BB!
In your face sharon! in your face totally! nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah
We got the tape! we got the tape!! we got the tape and it just got shown to everyone! oh i hope it went out on satellite too!
Interesting (Score:1)
Re:Piece of Shit (Score:1)
Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
As to BBC - I like their domestic programming (we in Israel can watch BBC Prime) but their World service (international) is below all professional level - see a bunch of my other posts (they cover bias of other media too but BBC is notorious among them for their lies a
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:2)
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
You're incorrect about low publicity for Vanunu. I remember very well the high level of coverage of the days when he vas released - we had called it "Festival of Vanunu" here; his several first days out of prison were covered in Israeli television and in CNN and Reuters (I cannot tell about others) in incredible level of details. A lucrative apartment in Andromede Residential building in Tel-Aviv was rented for him - they showed the apartment. He went to such-and-such restaurant and ate there such
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (correction) (Score:1)
Too bad no comment editing in Slashdot.
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1, Flamebait)
Perhaps I don't understand your failed attempt at sarcasm, but yes, Kidnapping is a HUGE violation of human rights. Democratic nations claim to be above these type of tactics and insist that other non-democratic countries follow their lead. When a democratic country ignores human rights they lose their moral ground and authority.
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
I'm sure next we'll be hearing about the Elders of Zion garbage as well.
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Yes i agree Britian was a ruthless world-domination war machine who once took over Palestine too, now we
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Your argument has no place now, Israel is already a nation and you can't change that without making yourself a hypocrit. And all you need to do is replace "jews" with "palestinians" and the argument could be just as valid.
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
let me also state, that i do believe, the decision to establish a jewish state, was a very bad idea! why? the state is an abstraction of the government. any government founding its rule on religion, needs to be rejected as the state needs to be a secular one. IMHO history has proven again and again, the fatality
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Who's territory was it pre-Independence War? England's. The English could do whatever they wanted with the land, and they gave it to the Jews.
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
i really have to disregard your comment as stupid. you are trying to argument historically, by just taking one example, that seems only obvious, to someone who think as superficial as you do.
how i dare make such a statement?
i grew up in germany, and guess what? there are jews living in germany. it should be obvious that i am not trying to state that a few lucky and stro
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
The US and England are good buddies now, but they weren't post-Revolutionary war. Do you think any of the people alive during the Revolutionary war in England or America would have been able to forgive and forget? It took decades before the US and England began trading with each other again. Not until all the people alive during that war died was there able to be mending of relationshi
Re:Vanunu - Shmanunu (Score:1)
i guess i hadn't been clear enough, as i still find it difficult at times, to find the right words, to express my thoughts.
i did not have in mind, nor implied, that two waring parties would negotiate a peace deal, or anything like that. in our case, i think we both will agree, that the head of any side will find it impossible to ever venture down such a path. lets not forget the power of keeping face.
it will take a force/power from outs
Re:BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #1 (Score:1, Flamebait)
Probably because it's hard to call the leader of an occupied people a war criminal with a straight face. Most people would agree that driving tanks over the homes of unarmed civilians in refugee camps is a war crime.
The way I see it, the BBC is one of the few news organi
BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #4 (Score:1)
By failing to provide proper context and full background information, journalists can dramatically distort the true picture.
EXAMPLE: A BBC photo depicts two Palestinians, hands tied behind their backs, and kneeling on the ground. Standing over them is an Israeli soldier with a rifle pointed at their heads.
There is no context identifying this photo, just the benign caption "Tension has been high around the Jewish settlements." But who are the Arabs in this photo? Did they just murder Jews i
Re:BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #4 (Score:2)
BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #5 (Score:1)
By choosing to report certain events over others, the media controls access to information and manipulates public sentiment.
EXAMPLE: Ever since the violence began, media outlets routinely refer to the Intifada as being "sparked by Ariel Sharon's provocative visit to the Temple Mount." This is despite the admission by Palestinian Minister of Communications Imad el-Falouji that the Palestinian Authority pre-planned the outbreak of violence. As reported in the semi-governmental Beirut "Dail
BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #6 (Score:1)
Media reports frequently use true facts to draw erroneous conclusions.
EXAMPLE: In February 2001, when Ariel Sharon was elected Israeli Prime Minister, the Christian Science Monitor tried to delegitimize the voters' choice by claiming that voter turnout "was an unprecedentedly low 60 percent," and claiming that "at least 62 percent of eligible Israeli voters did not vote for Sharon."
In reality, only despotic countries like North Korea or Syria report 99 percent vo
BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #7 (Score:1, Informative)
In today's competitive media world, reporters frequently do not have the time, inclination or resources to properly verify information before submitting a story for publication.
EXAMPLE: In reporting on violence of Joseph's Tomb, CNN writes:
Meanwhile, at least 77 people, mostly Palestinians have died during several fierce clashes at Joseph's Tomb during the past week. The lone Israeli soldier to die during the clashes bled to death in the tomb as rescuers tried for hours to reach him.
C
Re:BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #7 (Score:2)
Re:BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #7 (Score:1)
I wish you could read Haaretz or watch Israeli television. They're even more pro-Arab than BBC - against public mood nowadays which are quite anti-Arab these days (for understandable reasons).
As to Vanunu, I don't know what else should I say. The guy signed Non-disclosure whatever agreement and violated it in most disgusting manner. Any country would push him into jail. And with tha
Re:BBC on duty for Arab propaganda - post #7 (Score:1, Flamebait)
Anyway, I looked at some of your past comments and realized that you're just a Zionist troll. Gotta expect at least one of you to show up whenever a topic like this comes up.
Nice cut/paste job, here's the source... (Score:2)
I think it's pretty obvious that the original text that was copied [aish.com] into these posts came from a source with a jewish slant [aish.com].
Always consider the source.
For those of us in the US (Score:2)
Thanks.
Re:For those of us in the US (Score:1)
mid-night snack (Score:2)
Just to sum u