Journal TheSandBox's Journal: PROPOSAL #00: The Rules of The Back Yard 81
The following Proposal shall be open for debate for 5 days from the time posted to TheSandBox (till ~00:40 Pacific / 08:40 GMT on Jan25, 2004). Voting shall remain open for a period of no less than 3 days and require >= 75% of votes and approval by The Empress to be The Rules of The Back Yard.
PROPOSAL #00: THE RULES OF THE BACK YARD
The Back Yard is "Solemndragons backyard" region (1). "The Holy Empire of Solemndragons chosen" (2) is the founder and Empress of The Back Yard. The Sand Box refers to voting members of The Back Yard.
SECTION 1 - Membership
Article 1 - Members of SolemDragon's Back Yard region do not need to be voting members of The Sand Box.
Article 2 - Membership in The Back Yard is open to Nations asking for the password. Ask the Empress or a Referee.
Article 3 - Members of The Back Yard can only be removed by a Proposal to Remove a Nation.
Article 4 - Proposals to Remove a Nation must pass by a majority vote and must be approved by the Empress.
Article 5 - Throwing sand at other nations in The Sand Box is prohibited.
Article 6 - Nations may take a vaction from The Back Yard or cease involvement and still remain members (3).
SECTION 2 - Voting & Proposals
Article 1 - Voting is to be performed by non-anonymous posting to journal entries in TheSandBox (4) with one vote per person, not one vote per nation.
Article 2 - Multiple accounts on SlashDot may not be used to hold multiple Nations and submit multiple votes. Abuse may be sufficient reason for removal from The Back Yard.
Article 3 - Any member of The Back Yard may propose a bill.
Article 4 - Proposals must be seconded by another member of The Back Yard.
Article 5 - The Empress or her Sand Box Referees will post proposals to TheSandBox journal.
Article 6 - Proposals will generally start debate on Monday with debate lasting till Wednesday night or 3 days time from the time posted to TheSandBox.
Article 7 - Voting will proceed at the discression of the Empress or a Referee and last for at least 2 days, or as otherwise designated in the proposal.
Article 8 - Votes on proposals may be either "Yes," "No," or "Abstain." Nations that do not vote are not counted as any of the above.
Article 8 - The Empress must approve any proposal ratified by The Sand Box.
Article 9 - The Empress may veto any proposal for any reason with no recourse.
Article 10 - Proposals become law in The Back Yard immediately after approval by the Empress, or as defined in the proposal.
Article 11 - Proposals to modify The Rules must pass with >= 75% of votes and must be approved by the Empress.
Article 12 - Proposals that do not fall under Section 2 Article 11 must pass with a majority of votes, unless a greater percent is specified in the proposal.
Article 13 - Proposals that require unanimous concent must be voted on by all members of The Back Yard with roll called by The Teacher. See Section 3 Article 7.
Article 14 - Unanimous concent proposals must be open for debate for at least one week.
Article 15 - If all nations have not voted on a unanimous concent proposal after one week from the start of voting, then voting is closed and final.
SECTION 3 - Referees, Offices, Ministers, and The Teacher
Article 1 - Referees are appointed by the Empress.
Article 2 - All members of The Back Yard may be Referees or officers, except The Back Yard Delegate to the UN.
Article 3 - Referees serve at the discretion of the Empress and may be removed at her discression.
Article 4 - Referees have access to the SlashDot account "TheSandBox" for official Sand Box business only.
Article 5 - The Referees must maintain at least one active Journal Entry in TheSandBox for discussion by members.
Article 6 - Officers and Ministers may be appointed for any reason by the Empress.
Article 7 - The Teacher is appointed by The Empress for the purpose of calling roll in unanimous consent proposals.
Article 8 - The Roll will be updated by the Teacher any time a proposal requires unanimous consent and includes any member of The Back Yard.
SECTION 4 - The UN
Article 1 - The Back Yard Deletage to the UN is choosen by a plurality of UN members of The Back Yard using the endorsement system in NationStates.net and may not be a Referee.
Article 2 - The Back Yard Delegate to the UN only represents UN members of The Back Yard and does not represent the totality of The Back Yard.
Article 3 - UN resolutions may not conflict with The Rules, laws passed and ratified by The Sand Pit, or with Decrees of The Empress. When a conflict occurs, the UN resolution is void in The Back Yard.
Article 4 - The Back Yard Delegate to the UN must register a complaint to the UN regarding any conflicting resolutions and reasons for the conflict.
Article 5 - No UN resolution may negatively affect the standing of any member of The Back Yard. If a resolution does so, the nation(s) affected are free to disregard the resolution and are encouraged to submit a proposal to The Sand Box for official recognition and resolution of the conflict.
NOTES:
(1) Solemndragons backyard Region in NationStates.net is: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=solemndragons_backyard
(2) The Nation "The Holy Empire of Solemndragons chosen" in NationStates.net is: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=solemndragons_chosen
(3) This means you can take off, slack off, or otherwise limit involvement and we won't invade your nation or impose sanctions as as result.
(4) TheSandBox is an account on SlashDot.org: www.SlashDot.org/~TheSandBox
debate (Score:2)
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El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:debate (Score:2)
Uh sounds good to me (Score:1)
Re:Uh sounds good to me (Score:2)
But I believed there were a few ideas that needed to be seperated into sections, and I thought of 4.
Section 2 - Voting & Proposals got a little long because this is a bit of an involved process. I was not sure if the rules for voting should be covered in The Rules, or if they could be left to a lower document.
One possiblity is to simplify The Rules and eliminate any specifics, which can be relegated to a lower document.
I'm not sur
Offtopic comment on taxes... (Score:2)
Re:Offtopic comment on taxes... (Score:1)
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Re:Offtopic comment on taxes... -1 (Score:1)
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
So, I guess that isn't the clearest, but I read it as allowing the government to levy personal income taxes; I can see how you might view that as maki
Re:Offtopic comment on taxes... -1 (Score:2)
There are some other arguments based on the fact that the 16th amendment wasn't ratified (about 20 states, in the end either said "no", changed the wording of the amendment, or voted in violation of some
Re:Offtopic comment on taxes... -1 (Score:2)
He did not advise that course of action any more. This was a while ago (a few decades ago) and laws have since changed.
jason
Re:Offtopic comment on taxes... -1 (Score:2)
Re:Offtopic comment on taxes... -1 (Score:1)
I guess you learn something new every day.
Re:Offtopic comment on taxes... -1 (Score:2)
jason
The Front Page is dying.
Looks good to me... (Score:1)
Article 5 - Throwing sand at other nations in The Sand Box is prohibited.
I won't throw sand, but the dump truck is mine, so don't try to take it away from me or I'm gonna go tell mom...
Re:Looks good to me... (Score:2)
You better call Her Highness "Empress", or risk beheading.
Re:Looks good to me... (Score:2)
Re:Looks good to me... (Score:2)
As for making you laugh... does it count if I tickle you or do I have to use wit and humor? ;-)
i forbid tickling (Score:2)
Re:i forbid tickling (Score:2)
hey! (Score:2)
Re:hey! (Score:2)
Re:hey! (Score:2)
Re:hey! (Score:2)
Re:hey! (Score:2)
Re:hey! (Score:2)
Re:Looks good to me... (Score:2)
Article 5 - Throwing sand at other nations in The Sand Box is generally prohibited, with the exception of "True Grit Day", when it is actively encouraged, and scoring based on the number of hits is collected.
True Grit Day occurs on a random Wednesday of the empress' choosing, and may occur more than once a year, but not more than once each month.
Anyone to second that motion?
Re:Looks good to me... (Score:2)
This delightfull holiday sounds great and I second the proposal.
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:Looks good to me... (Score:2)
Please introduce this proposal at your earliest conveenicnerse... wheneverthehell you want to.
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Section 1, Article 4 (Score:2)
Perhaps it should be 2/3 or 3/4?
Re:Section 1, Article 4 (Score:2)
For example the Declaration of Independance for the US was required to be 100% because all colinies shared the same land mass.
How much of a participation can we expect? If only 1/2 of the members of The Back Yard vote, then The Sand Box has a small sample size of the population it governs.
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:Section 1, Article 4 (Score:2)
Conversely, 51% seems a tad low to me. With a sentence of ejection I think we'd want a good representation of the region before we decide to pass something like this.
Re:Section 1, Article 4 (Score:2)
Re:Section 1, Article 4 (Score:2)
I can only hope that unanimouse concent proposals will be few and far between, as they require lots of work for the Teacher, and Referees.
Regarding Proposals to Remove a Nation, the issue is serrious. All proposals must be approved by The Empress so I believed that this is where oversight of The Sand Box comes into play.
If we are to inhabit this Back Yar
Re:Section 1, Article 4 (Score:2)
Roll Call (Score:2)
Re:Roll Call (Score:2)
Re:Roll Call (Score:2)
This way the Referee, Teacher, or Empress (whoever happens to be in charge of that issue or in charge for that week) only has to scroll through the posts, click the nation link to validate membership in the backyard, and register the vote.
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
All in favor... (Score:2)
Bootieville says Aye (Score:1)
"Aye"
Re:Bootieville says Aye (Score:1)
Oh, and Em sucks or something like that.
Wait, this isn't a poll? Where am I? Who stole my cheese?
Re:Bootieville says Aye (Score:1)
Section 1 - Article 5 (Score:2)
I kept this article in because I think the aim of this game is to role play and have fun. Since our region is a back yard, there should be lots of opportunities to have fun with this, and not get out of control on the realism.
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:Section 1 - Article 5 (Score:2)
Voting (Score:2)
For example,
El Jefe de Caffeinastan [nationstates.net] votes "YES" on prop 23
Re:Voting (Score:2)
Re:Voting (Score:2)
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:Voting (Score:2)
The debate is turning up good issues and ideas. I like it!
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Debate: Sec 2 Art 6 & 7 (Score:2)
I was not sure how long debate would take. Specifically, I don't want involvement in The Sand Box to take too much time away from people mildly interested in the game.
I figured that one issue a week, max, with 3 days to debate, and 2 or so to vote, and a day or so off would be a good balance between going nuts with discussions, and maintainign a normal and healthy life away from the keyboard.
Since prop 00 is a bit more important than m
Throwing Sand (Score:1)
Hypothetical example: whe
Re:Throwing Sand (Score:2)
The article prohibits one nation from throwing sand at another nation, and has no affect on the actions of citizens within the borders of their nation.
The effect is to discourage sand fights between nations. Caffeinastan should hope that disputes between members nations could be resolved with name calling, taunting, and tattling to the Teacher, Empress, or Referees instead of all out, open sand fights (with the
Re:Throwing Sand (Score:2)
Re:Throwing Sand (Score:2)
So change it to say that throwing sand is allowed?
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:Throwing Sand (Score:2)
Re:Throwing Sand (Score:2)
I'll strike Article 5 from The Rules and later we can create a Proposal if the need arises.
El JEfe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:Throwing Sand (Score:2)
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El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
New JE (Score:2)
Re:New JE (Score:2)
That and I can't play Deus Ex II yet.
FK! Have you tried it yet?
jason
two points of clarification requested (Score:2)
I presume that this means closed, final, and unsuccessful because it wasn't unanimous?
The other question was requesting clarification of "voting members". Does one have to participate with any regularity to keep up "voting membership" in good standing, or can you vote on what you care about, and ignore all the rest?
The difference between this and th
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:2)
As The Empress as staited, lurking is just fine. vote on only what you care about.
That is also the reason the votes are limited to "Yes" "no" and "abstain". Simply not voting means you realllllly don't care about the issue.
I was not sure how this section would affect passage of bills. If you don't vote at all, then your absence does not affect
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:2)
Question: Do you think all nations should recieve free hubcap replacements?
Republic of Bootieville: yes
Question: Do you think that Bootieville should be required to have male consorts in minimal attire in all entertainment establishment
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:1)
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:2)
Any objectsion to removing the reference to "abstain" in the available voting options?
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:2)
EVERY member of the region is a member of the League of the Sandbox. The end. You can vote or abstain; either way, it will be counted. It will not count against you if you abstain. the goal is to create a somewhat minimalist regional government that allows us playing room without taking away our good cheer. It also creates a stage for acts of diplomacy.
So, by being in the region, you have a vote.
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:2)
I expect that because of Sec 1 Art 6 which allows for extended absence from the game with out recourse, that there may be a call for a unamious concent proposal but several nations in The Back Yard will not be available for the vote.
I would not want this to hold up passage of the bill if all the votes that are cast are unamious in favor.
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:1)
Re:two points of clarification requested (Score:2)
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
may i add several thoughts? (Score:2)
The other would be that if it were dire or pressing need, temporary measures could be passed, with the full measure waiting for the return of players.
Should an abstention count as a vote? Prob
Re:may i add several thoughts? (Score:2)
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:may i add several thoughts? (Score:2)
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Re:may i add several thoughts? (Score:2)
That's all I wanted to say...
Re:may i add several thoughts? (Score:2)
I'll try to remember to cut / paste into OO.org and run a spell check before posting. Unfortunately, I own our nations only computers, and they all still run DOS 6.2.2 with Word Perfect.
Considering that most of our population is in the goat herding, goat milking, goat shearing, or goat dressing business, computers aren't demanded often.
El Jefe de Caffeinastan
jason
Aye (Score:1)
For immediate release: (Score:1)
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Looks good. (Score:2)
Is it on your head?
Re:Looks good. (Score:2)
El JEfe de Caffeinastan
jason
Sounds good. (Score:1)
nay (Score:2)
-Ab
Re:nay (Score:2)
But thanks for the properly formatted vote (I'm working on mining the journal entry with a quick perl app to make voting easy).
El Jefe de Caffeinastan