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Journal Uma Thurman's Journal: Conservatives Hate Free Speech 52

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This article on Kuro5hin is an interesting read, and it reflects a lot of what I've discovered about my right-wing friends here on Slashdot.

The truth of the matter is that conservatives don't want to hear anything that might make them think. It bothers them when someone has an opinion that does not toe their party line, and they do their best to censor or remove that offending opinion.

In short, conservatives are the very model of a politically-correct person, which is ironic because they are always claiming that liberals are PC fetishists.

I've even found that many of my postings here in my own journal have been moderated down, which goes to show just how far the conservatives will go to suppress the truth.

Remember, even that moron N3WBI3 has admitted that he dislikes the United States constitution. It's no surprise that freedom of speech is one of the things that these goose-steppers hate.

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  • I've noticed that some of your posts here do get modded down. This got me wondering how many far righters there are on here. I can't say I've ever known a neo-con techie. I knew a few that voted for Bushler because of his tax cut (the guys that made 100+ K). The only other people I know that are Republicans are people who didn't go to college _AND_ have a business (this includes 95% of farmers). So, then my questions is <Seinfeld>Who are these people</Seinfeld>
    • "I've even found that many of my postings here in my own journal have been moderated down, which goes to show just how far the conservatives will go to suppress the truth."

      What Lib's don't get about free speech is that while you have the right to say whatever you want (UMA) I have the right to say your an idiot and exercise my right to mod down some of your mindless trolls.

      Mitchell: Most of my family is conservative and we take up a pretty wide array of Life My parents are a college educated Nurse, and

      • I have the right to say your an idiot and exercise my right to mod down some of your mindless trolls.

        Troll? You're the one who is reading my journal, posting things there. You're not modded down, or excluded in any way.

        Modding down is a type of censorship. When I dish out the abuse that you signed up for, that's no censorship, that's just more speech. You right wingers like to twist definitions, build a case, and declare that liberals are to be the first up against the wall.

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        As an aside, last
        • Yawn screwing a dog? Do you always dome to an intellectual gunfight with a knife?

          Modding down is no more censorship than a boycott would be. Your like all those lame stars who think because they can act^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Are in movies they are politically important. When they say something idiotic and by doing so involve themselves and people decided that calling Bush Hitler or blaming 9/11 on America and boycott them these morons think they are being persecuted.

          I don't like you, I have a right not to lik

          • Do you always dome to an intellectual gunfight with a knife?

            Dome? That's fricking ironic. Any more of those and people will think that I'm also posting as N3WBI3 just to make myself look good.

            I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing ABOUT you.
            • Wow a typo, that clinches it youre always right I guess.. I mean its not like D is right on top of C on the keyboard...

              Way to focus on the typo and ignore the rest you moron..

              • You missed some punctuation in that message. Please review the comma, the apostrophe, the ellipsis, and the period.

                • YHBT.

                  My favorite part about the K5 article is the smug fatuousness of the idea. Follow this logic, if you will:

                  1. FreeRepublic is conservative
                  2. FreeRepublic deletes comments that do not meet their guidlines
                  3. All conservatives hate open dialog

                  When K5 (decidedly of a left-wing bent, if only defined as such by its readership) actively promotes a certain agenda through groupthink, and denigrates opposing viewpoints through mockery and ad hominem attacks, that's considered "open debate". When FreeRepublic cut

          • Your like all those lame stars who think because they can act^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Are in movies they are politically important.

            You mean Schwartzenegger? I thought you were the Republican here.

      • I don't call true conservatives nazis. I get along with the 10 or so conservatives that I do know. The one's I don't like are the neo-cons. The current administration is neither compassionate nor conservative. The "if you don't agree then you're a communist" people if you will. I don't like calling people morons either, to do so puts you on the same level as Billy Bob spin master.

        Most all of the careers you mentioned aren't the kind of education I'm talking about. They are closer to learning a trade.
        • Fair enough, but you have to admin a social worker, a nursing home floor manager, a nurse, and a blue coller auto worker are what many would think of as jobs from the left.

          As for taxes, I am for a flat tax or no income and a large sales tax. I dont mind paying taxes I mind the fact that after getting a 5k raise this year I am now making *LESS* after taxes. Why is one of your dollars taxed less than mine? if I make four times what you make a flat tax would make me pay four times the taxes, seems pretty fai

          • Fair enough, but you have to admin a social worker, a nursing home floor manager, a nurse, and a blue coller auto worker are what many would think of as jobs from the left.

            That would be true, provided that you get your definition of the left from Ann Coulter.

            BEcause someone has worked hard to make alot of money you think the government is entitled to almost a half of it?

            Conservatives like to promote the fiction that hard work is 100% of what it takes to make an income. They ignore the fact that there
            • No it fits with my love and respect for all the constitution not just the parts that support your beloved nanny state
              • I asked if there was anything at all that was liberal that you liked.

                You responded with a rant against liberalism.

                Therefore, I can only conclude that you hate the constitution, which is the best statement of liberalism that there is. It wasn't a bunch of loyalist royalists that wrote that thing.

                If you think that liberalism means a nanny state, then you're ignorant. It means that you've been duped. It means that you haven't thought for yourself.
          • I'd consider most of that smack in the middle. They can flip flop either way. You'd think auto workers for sure would be pro left since the left is pro overtime and unions, but not really so anymore.

            You make less?
            Here are the 2003 tax brackets:
            (joint return)
            $0- $14,000 10.0%
            14,000 - 56,800 15.0
            56,800 - 114,650 25.0
            114,650 - 174,700 28.0
            174,700 - 311,950 33.0
            311,950 and up 35.0

            (Single)
            $0-$7,000 10.0%
            7,000-28,400 15.0
            28,400-68,800 25.0
            68,800-143,500 28.0
            143,500-311,950 33.0
            311,950 and up 35.0

            The only p
          • We went to war with England over lower taxes.

            Yes, yes we did. We call them tariffs though. It was because we were taxed and the imports weren't. It's a common misconception though, so I don't blame you for thinking it. This is why you really have to watch what Rush etc have to say. They twist it so that honest people are sucked into thinking everyone is out to get thier money. Next time one of your righter friends says somthing like this, ask them to back it up. Much of the time it's an outright lie
          • I recognize that you are making an honest attempt to present a calm and rational arguement, dispite Uma's best efforts to lower the standard, and I appreciate that. It has been rare in my expreience to find a calm conservative.

            As for taxes, I am for a flat tax or no income and a large sales tax.

            If you view taxes from the point of view of the people being taxed (which most people do, as we are the ones taxed) then what you say makes perfect since. But taxes were set up by the government to perform govern

      • What you need to understand is that Bush is no conservative

        Wow. And I guess that Hitler wasn't much of a Nazi, either. I think you can hardly judge the man's conservative credentials by one metric - whether he grows government or not. I mean he hates poofs, bombs foreign countries his party previously armed, hates abortions and is generally misogynistic and runs up deficits like a conservative. If it quacks like a duck...

        But I respect your point of view. Your best form of protest is to vote in someone li
        • I think there is some confusion in your reply.

          Conservative != Republican.

          Everything you said makes Bush a Republican.

          A conservative is a bit different, but has some in common. A conservative generally wants people to be ideologically in common, with less descent and less distinction. It often includes elements of intollerance and oppression as a result, but probably has more stability and security than the more anarchic "liberal". Conservatives can clash with each other if they hold a tight grip on diffe

        • Wow. And I guess that Hitler wasn't much of a Nazi, either. I think you can hardly judge the man's conservative credentials by one metric - whether he grows government or not.

          True enough, but let look at your rant..

          I mean he hates poofs,

          No He is against changing the definition of marrage this is not the same as having hatred for them

          bombs foreign countries his party previously armed,

          Umm Bill Clinton once said that serbia was the way to solve things in tat area, he and slobo got together, a few years

  • Its sort of funny for the 98% of us that are not diehard republicans or democrats to read what each says about the other. Its *especially* funny in this case because you are critising your opponents for making blanket statements, and then make your own. On second thought, its really more sad then funny. I suppose everyone has to have something to be passonate about,but it would be nice if they they were nice about it.
    • There's a reason for this:

      People on my freaks list get abuse. Everyone else gets no abuse. This takes advantage of the fact that intolerant right-wingers will compulsively mark anyone with a different opinion as a foe. I am mocking them.
  • The thing about conservatives is that they view themselves differently than liberals view them.

    For example, let's take our typical pro-life person versus our typical pro-choice person. Pro-life person says pro-choice person is killing babies. Pro-choice person says pro-life person is oppressing her. Both are correct from their points of view.

    Let's take another example. Neo-con person versus liberal person. Neo-con says Bush is saving America by passing Patriot Act. Liberal says Bush is oppressing

    • Which side passes (or wants to pass) more laws that interfer with American's lives?

      I don't know...

      Socialized health care, Gun Control Inc., higher taxes with more social program spending.. the DMCA and a much more agressive federal "Drug war", which caused a general loss of civil liberties.

      vs

      Authoritarian laws, increased police power, unsustainable fiscal policies and a general loss of civil liberties (other than gun rights).

      I think libertarians are the only ones who can rightfully claim the label of
      • the DMCA and a much more agressive federal "Drug war", which caused a general loss of civil liberties.

        The DMCA and drug war are both items I would like to thank the conservative force in America for.

        Heh, well, I am libertarian at heart. Thanks for noticing.

      • Socialized health care, Gun Control Inc., higher taxes

        This point is one of those that I use to mock the people that take Ann Coulter and friends too seriously. I'd say that these are arguably characterizations of the Democratic party, but it's a mistake to say that liberal == Democratic pary.

        I consider myself quite liberal, but don't hold many Democratic party viewpoints - a great source of amusement to me when an opponent tries to use that against me.

        Socialized health care: This boogeyman almost seems
      • Hi GigsVT,

        A few points here.

        a) Drug War: The Drug War was originally a policy of the Nixon administration and was implemented by executive order after the Shafer Commission recommended decriminalizing marijuana.

        b) Gun Laws: At the federal level it's debatable whether the constitution allows congress to limit civilian access to firearms. At the state level, I can't imagine how the second amendment limit states' congressional members the right to limit gun ownership.

        c) Socialized Medicine / Federally Subs
        • Regarding the Drug War; I'm specifically addressing how the Clinton administration really poured it on, made it one of their main planks during speeches. Drug Czar McCaffery also was pretty aggressive... Walters isn't much better, with his interference in Nevada elections which was probably illegal, but McCaffery was much more vocal.

          Regarding social programs and medicare; you beat around the real point. The point is a de facto regressive income tax. Because the surplus is transferred to the general fund
          • GigsVT.

            We agree on almost all the factual points. Most certainly the Clinton administration increased funding for enforcement of the drug laws. Most certainly are payroll taxes regressive, especially when used to offset the general account deficit. However, we completely disagree over whether private charities would have a substantial impact on health care for the poor. I just don't think individuals would act in such an altruistic way without government intervention. But maybe I'm wrong. Given how things
  • As a libertarian, I think your sentiment is misguided. Generalizing all conservatives or all liberals will rarely win you any formal discussion nor will it provoke the kind of conversation about ideas.

    If you believe that a conservative idea is wrong, say so. Offer evidence that it is wrong.

    If you argue that conservatives as a whole are more PC, you should show examples, not generalizations. If individuals are approaching arguements poorly, say so. Their credibility is threatened and will be scrutinized. I
    • Har har. I wrote in another article that there is a huge distinction between libertarians and jack-booted thugs like John Ashcroft. I don't know of any libertarians who would approve of his ways. But, I need a term to use. I'm going to use "right-wingers" for now.

      Generalizing all conservatives or all liberals will rarely win you any formal discussion nor will it provoke the kind of conversation about ideas.

      Primarily, my purpose is to provide abuse for right wingers who sign up for that abuse. (my freaks
  • I'm not a conservative - I actually do believe in the totalitarian rule of a natural elite founded in perpetual warfare.

    Can I be on your freaks list? Please, please, please....

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