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Just some mental noodling about music here:

I really wish I understood why the American music scene is so horribly dead. There are a few acts here or there that are decent, but you really have to dig deep. And as far as an electronica presence goes, we are WAY behind Europe and the UK.

I guess right off the bat, I should say that I HATE rock for the most part. There are some decent bands every once in a while, but many of the most popular ones seem to lack melody, humor or seriousness depending on what I'm looking for. I've always been a fan of anything electronic going all the way back to the 80s. Almost anything that is... the early 90s had a bad start with some really lame "house" wannabes.

Now the US is mired in grind core, schlock like X-Tina, Britney, Beyonce and the Backdoor Boys. We've also got goofy, lame-o neo-punk which doesn't touch the passion and emotion of the original stuff. Retard/Wino punk (like Sockeye and Suckdog) are much more interesting than crap like Greenday. What irks me even more is signature all American bands that have the same cookie cutter "rock" sound. There is no uniqueness in any of those acts. Christ, there's more individuality in acts like ATB, D.J. Tiesto and Paul VanDyk. (I love those acts, but even I will admit that they can sound very similar at times) But the American rock band is such a cliche now, it's ridiculous.

You know what the problem is... the shit that passes for "hip-hop" these days. Back in the day when hip-hop was real, we had Digable Planets and De La Soul. Now we have stupid whiteboys and prepackaged plastic girls in multicolors. Don't even get me started on the supposed "hard azzes" of rap. Especially where wiggers are concerned.

It seems like all the stupid idiot types who were into heavy metal for the hardass quotient back in the 80s (my high school days) are now the wiggers trying to be Eminem, Kidd Rock or any other "flavah of da month". Since these performers claim to speak to the people who come from the hard life (yeah right) and hard living, these idiots want to emulate that. All for some stupid macho attitude or something. Why dont you "gangstaz" go to the REAL 'hood and see how long you can make it without pissing your pants? I've had to work in real slums in dangerous situations surrounded by real gang bangers. It's not something to aspire to. If you havent' had to deal with it, you don't want to. And I'll tell you that I did it without "packing heat". I know you wigger dorks would be scared shitless in that situation. I had my own concerns and I know I'm loads braver than any wigger with attitude.

OK.. getting off topic... back to music. Here's what I like in terms of genre:

1. Electronic (Space Music, Techno, Electronica, Trance, etc...)
2. Jazz (Introspective/Euro, Some fusion)
3. Real Punk (Sex Pistols all the way through to the Pixies and some of the newer Retard punk bands)
4. Ethereal/Gothic/Dark Wave (Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, pretty much any 4AD act that doesn't rock excluding the Pixies)
5. Some Classical
6. Industrial (KMFDM, RevCo, Ministry... again pretty much anything on WaxTrax)
7. Some garage punk like My Dad is Dead for example
8. Soundtrack music (mostly electronic by Sakamoto, Isham (except the ER stuff), etc...)

And lest anyone go around calling me a "poser" like some anonymous ass did a few months ago. I've been into this stuff since the 80s and REALLY just like the music. I don't care about the associated images or anything as superficial as that. This stuff is just really good music. I am also quite opinionated and have no problem offending people if I don't like what they listen to. I acknowledge that music tastes are a very personal choice, but I'm not going to let that stop me from saying that something YOU like sucks in my opinion. At best, I tolerate other people's taste in music. You have every right to listen to what you want to, but you have no right convince me that it's any good. The same can be applied to me too in the inverse.

That's what makes music tastes so interesting to me. As usual, one man's treasure if another's trash.

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  • I really wish I understood why the American music scene is so horribly dead.

    While the MTV/Pepsi/Britney generation laps up the corporate garbage, the rest of us are enjoying local music scenes that kick ass. Local OC bands for me include some stylin' rockabilly, true hip-hop, cool jazz, and vicious hard core bands that rip the roof off of Huntington Beach bars and Anaheim clubs.

    If you want real music written and performed by artists that truly care about entertaining, then look to your local clubs, not
    • The locals in my part of the country USED to be OK in the 80s. But most of it is really dead now. (I come from a steel town in Ohio) There is barely any music scene here now. The air is being drained out of my state sadly. I'm certain you have much more to choose from locally in the LA/OC area. Much much more than most of the rest of the US.

  • I, for one, enjoy the music of "jam" bands -- especially Phish, Widespread Panic, and the Grateful Dead. Most of my time is spent listening to Phish. Although it could be argued that I am limiting myself greatly by listening to just one band, I would argue that many of their songs are so good and so different each time they play them that the listening experience is different each time. That's just what I like.
  • i won't call you a poser. I have my Nik Kershaw stuff transferred to hard drive now... s
  • It is really quite hard finding good electronica nowadays, since most bands settle for 80:s ripoff, but there are some european electronic bands that emerged during late 90:s/early 00:s I can recommend
    The Knife - Deep Cuts (swedish band) Ladytron - 604, Light and Magic, Softcore Jukebox (british I think) Briskeby - Propaganda (Norwegian, sort of New romantic sound. NOT RIAA SAFE!) Theatre of Tragedy - Musique, Assembly (Norwegian, sort of electronic metal. Their previous albums were gothic metal, also reco
  • 4. Ethereal/Gothic/Dark Wave (Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, pretty much any 4AD act that doesn't rock excluding the Pixies)


    Do you lump in American bands such as Orgy or Deadsy in this category as well? I haven't heard of the bands you mentioned, but as a non-American (I assume) what's your outake on "Death pop"/Glamour Rock, etcetera?
  • I really wish I understood why the American music scene is so horribly dead.

    I think you know already. For one, most Americans wouldn't know good music if it hit them across the face. Secondly, the American music industry doesn't produce music. It produces images. And the images du jour are plastic bimbo girls/women (what most American women aspire to be like) and tough, gang-banga guys (the new macho American male image). It's sad because there's so much potential over there.

    On a different note, I don't

    • Hehehe... that's fantastic. And yes, the reasons you site in your first paragraph are true. But I think it still comes down to the root problem: music for profit's sake.

      When I was in college working on an Audio Engineering degree, the mantra was "Music is not about art (or talent), it's a business". That used to really irritate me. Additionally, since we were all there in the hopes of becoming the next big producer, that was the second thing I learned. The producer is more important than the artist (c

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