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That's all well and good (Score:2)
Racism, then as now, lives in the eyes of its beholders, all of them.
Any useful discussion needs to focus on facts and minimize all of the contemporary canards that have more to do with harnessing political power than a sincere quest for understanding.
And it's the insincerity of the Racism Industrial Complex that turns my stomach the most, of the contemporary issues.
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You must not remember the 1965 that I do, then.
It was in 1965 that I first sounded out a sign that read "COLORED ONLY" and asked my Dad what it meant.
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(b) My ancestors that where in-country fought for the North.
(c) Learning from history on a rational level is not the same thing as letting some jackwagon turn it into an emotional prison. Evil occurs, yes: mature humans forgive each other, to be liberated of the past, while keeping a weather eye on the future, against repeats.
To summarize: the historical existence of such signage does not impact me emotionally, except to trigger blowback against those trying to play it for propagna
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It might be "historical" for you, but it's part of my living memory. And that of a lot of other folks, so I suggest you chuck the solipsism and "If I can't see it right now, it must not be real" crap straight away.
FWIW, I'm a Southerner, but my family were not slave-owners (with one exception) and various members fought on either side in the War Between The States.
At least one of my ancestors is known to have fought on *both* sides.
Due to the single exception I mentioned above, I also have amongst my ancest
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the only racism i ever saw was in movies/tv/games. and i didn't grow up hating blacks. then again i am up north.
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I attended junior and senior high school in Ohio (near Dayton). We had race riots there in the early/mid 70s.
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It might be "historical" for you, but it's part of my living memory. And that of a lot of other folks, so I suggest you chuck the solipsism and "If I can't see it right now, it must not be real" crap straight away.
How are we rating any one individual's memories above any others, in any direction, on any point?
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On solipsism:
It took me until now to realize that while you accuse me of talking the talk, you actually walk the walk... Ah serendipity... The puzzle completes itself.
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:-) The only reality you know is your own.
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Solipsism isn't "post modern".
You find it as a proposition in Plato and Descartes.
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One line:
"It aint hisory, if they still lynch you'".
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Citation?
You really defend the Mall Cop?
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I'm not going to sign on as a huge Zimmerman apologist, but I should hope that when the media is deliberately, systematically distorting the facts, nobody should be accepting the evil. [breitbart.com]
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He stalked an innocent unarmed man, down the street, then shot him.
Those are the relevant facts.
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Again, I'm not trying to accuse Zimmerman of Nobel-level brilliance here.
But your oversimplification is so gross as to be effectively context-free. Great work!
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The jury did what it was told to do, ignore the facts and follow the law.
And to JC:
But your oversimplification is so gross as to be effectively context-free.
Yeah! Life is complicated. You wouldn't understand... I believe that's how the standard cop out goes.
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ignore the facts
The overarching fact that the federal government, starting with the POTUS, decided to involve itself in a matter of local law totally queered the legal proceeding from the outset.
This administration is a river of falsehoods, and its attempt to spin the George Zimmerman case into a general race war is among the larger pieces of crap floating in that river.
Zimmerman is Sgt. James Crowley [huffingtonpost.com], Trayvon a slightly more dead variation on Prof. Gates, and anybody who doesn't reject the straightforward propaganda cam
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Don't sweat the small shit. When a republican wins the white house, you can go back to loving them again.. Just like the old days..
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Becoming a minority... Perish the thought!
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I reject your attempts at subdividing God's children.
Well, of course you would. Your attempts are much more effective with your defense of 'traditional' marriage, racist prohibitions, and many other much more subtle methods that are unwritten.
Nice diversion BTW :-)
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It's possible that slavery is a national sin that just isn't ever going to wash out. When slavery was institutionalized in our first Constitution, it became embedded in the nation's DNA. I'm not sure it can be changed. It might get better at times and worse at times, but it's not going away.
Not all sins are forgivable here on Earth, right? Once you've declared that a certain group of people are not fully human, you can't just say later, "Oh, we didn't really mean it" and have it be forgotten. It's who
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Please return your ideas to the Hell that spawned them.
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What do the "historical/economic" factors have to do with sin? What do they have to do with one group of people making a legal assumption that another group is less than human and their worth is only what they determine?
I'm speaking purely from a standpoint of sin in the Christian sense, but in this case committed by a nation at the moment of its birth.
I understand why Americans wo
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rather, you're peddling a garbled stream of emotional effluent that 'unexpectedly' worsens all of the problems you cite.
I yawn at your approach.
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Yawn all you want, but when you can refute, you may respond.
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Racism Industrial Complex?
Man. You are out to fucking lunch, buddy.
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Crazy to ask the question... ;-)
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Cornel is a real good human being. The other two are media clowns, promoted in the mainstream to remove black voices as a part of serious discourse. They'll never risk another Dr. King.
Now, To be an "Industrial Complex", one must already possess an elite imbalance of wealth, influence and actual power. The "Industrial Complex" tag implies a large scale, anti-republicanism that seeks cartel/conspiratorial influence over public policy, promoting the participants narrow self-interest and financial rewards -
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Racism, then as now, lives in the eyes of its beholders, all of them.
Exactly the kind of thoughts to be expected from a person swimming in privilege, while willfully ignoring it..
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I sport a +5 Ring of Pack-Your-Guilt-Where-It-Will-Do-You-The-Most-Good, buddy.
You're welcome to come hang out at church, get to know me, absorb the Christian context, and help me understand where I'm falling short of Christ. Now that would be some useful feedback.
Cheap poo-flinging on
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Cheap poo-flinging on /. does not an argument make.
Who's arguing? I'm just making an observation of fact. And it appears that objectivity is not your friend. I really don't expect you to see the reality, so mired you are in cultural indoctrination. Everything on the other side of the fence simply does not exist. I will state it outright. Saying that we are in a post racist society is one of the dumber things you have posted here. You cannot possibly have any idea what it's like to walk in another man's shoe
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Again, reference the topic of the JE. ;-)
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Well, I hope I'm not getting anything wrong, but I got the idea that the topic was confirmed by the very first post.
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Privilege:
- Never worrying about a DWB
- Not being followed in every retail establishment you ever enter.
- Not looking up, almost every day, to a stranger clearing their throat and thinking, "Oh, no. Here it comes again."
- Not being patronised and told "We'll be getting in touch" - with the tact and manner that is used to dismiss school children.
- Never dealing with the understanding that half the people you see, day in and day out, every day of your life, have the word "nigger" float across their minds in
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You want to see how I roll? Come to my church [kingstownebaptist.org], which has a sizeable chunk of blacks, mulattos, Koreans, and, yes, people of European extraction.
Do the problems you cite exist? I don't doubt it. Does everybody need to grow up? Sure.
I have served God and coun
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You are on a roll man!