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Journal Captain Splendid's Journal: How long until President Pence? 43

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Game theory would seem to point to sooner rather than later. As of right now, there is almost zero downside (and quite a few perks available if done right.) Of course, this assumes the GOP congresscritters could organize a piss up in a brewery, something that hasn't been a surefire thing since the 90s.

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How long until President Pence?

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  • The GOP keeps finding increasingly unstable and frightening people for "leaders". I thought GWB was awful, but behind him (in many ways) was Cheney who was easily 10x more frightening. Now we have a loose cannon about to take the helm but behind him in line is someone who is even more hateful and terrifying. And what happens if Pence takes over? If we follow the same line of succession that was used after Nixon, we end up with VP Paul Ryan. As much as Pence scares me, he at least isn't another Randian.
    • Procedure only. The GOP get to look 'courageous' by impeaching one of their own.

      • Neither. Father Time - then again Trump's father died at 93, so ...

        Besides, what's the problem? There are hundreds of people (mostly Somalis) fleeing the US for Canada - they cross some farmer's fields on foot [www.cbc.ca] and then ask for asylum. Though you can freeze to death [www.cbc.ca] if you're not careful.

        • Besides, what's the problem? There are hundreds of people (mostly Somalis) fleeing the US for Canada - they cross some farmer's fields on foot and then ask for asylum. Though you can freeze to death if you're not careful.

          I think you're in the wrong thread there, mate.
          • My point is that if Trump or Pence is so scary, you can claim refugee status in Canada (or even Mexico).
            • I haven't looked at refugee status, but I can tell you from experience that it is not trivial for a US citizen to simply up and move to Canada. I have Canadian relatives and an advanced degree in an expanding scientific field; yet it is still very difficult for me to take my family and move up there. It is almost easier to move to Europe or Asia.

              • Refugee claimant is easy-peesey. See the link I posted as just one example. Anyone coming into the country claiming refugee status MUST be granted a hearing. You can do this at a border entry station, or just walk across the border like these guys (and hundreds of others) d every year. You will be brought to the nearest border station, your identity confirmed, and if you're not determined to be a dangerous person, you'll be given a court date and a refugee entry visa. That visa entitles you to free health c

                • Because the USA is considered a "safe country", the standard of proof of personal danger is higher

                  Precisely. Would Canada accept my claim of being persecuted for being a non-Trump supporter? Seems unlikely, especially as I am not Muslim, minority anything, LGBT, or female. In theory I am in Trump's main demographic (aside from being intelligent, that is).

                  (which is itself discriminatory and unconstitutional, so if you do come, feel free to challenge that through the courts)

                  I can certainly say that there are plenty of people around the world in much more grave danger of life than me. The likelihood of Trump's goons coming to throw me in jail or murder me is admittedly quite low. That of course won't stop them from m

                  • Probably because you'e not in danger for not supporting Trump. Why should bogus refugee claims be accepted "just because you say so." Making your life difficult is no big deal in comparison. Same as bathroom bills, in themselves, are not grounds for refugee status for transsexuals. After all, you can always pee at home, same as people who are afraid to use public toilets. An inconvenience, but not life-and-death.

                    However, Canada does admit hundreds of refugees who sneak across from the USA every year. Be h

                    • Same as bathroom bills, in themselves, are not grounds for refugee status for transsexuals

                      that is the difference between unconstitutional - as the bathroom bills are unquestionably an unconstitutional invasion of privacy (in spite of conservatives calling them "privacy bills") - and sufficiently substantial oppression and endorsed hatred to qualify for refugee status.

                      However, Canada does admit hundreds of refugees who sneak across from the USA every year. Be happy you're not at risk like they are.

                      I don't disagree for a moment that there are a lot of people in the US and beyond that have it a whole lot worse than I do. However the ideology that Trump and his ilk hold on to will likely present yet another challenge to my ab

                    • The "ability to establish and maintain a career" is not in and of itself anything that makes someone a potential refugee. There is no "right to happiness" even in the USA. And no, a country deporting people to their country of origin based on their religion is also not justification - they're just being sent home, so unless they are in danger in their home country, it's no big deal.

                      Same as if they started deporting Israelis back to Israel, or any native of any other country back to their country of origin,

                    • The "ability to establish and maintain a career" is not in and of itself anything that makes someone a potential refugee.

                      You're right, though it would be nice if it wasn't so unnecessarily difficult to move to a country that has demand and appreciation for my work (such as Canada). I wouldn't be seeking refugee status as much as a chance to actually work. When the government in this country takes an active stance against my work, I eventually need to look elsewhere in order to make a livable wage.

                      There is no "right to happiness" even in the USA.

                      It is true that the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" does not guarantee one's happiness. However when the go

                    • Economic refugees are not the same as war refugees. Every country has people who could be thought of as economic refugees.

                    • Economic refugees are not the same as war refugees

                      True, but at what point is state-sponsored oppression of a group of people (say Muslims for example) sufficient to count those people as war refugees if there is no declared war? If a state is actively taking action against a certain segment of its own population, but war is not declared, at what point do they count as refugees?

                    • what point do they count as refugees?

                      When the shooting starts...

                      *If you can't get the job you like, like the job you get*...

            • Jesus, it's almost as if we haven't been conversing for a decade now...

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

          Trump's father died at 93, so ...

          Yes, but Trump's father didn't piss off the entire intelligence community. Accidents happen...

          • True, but look at it this way - this is Trump's best insurance that the intel community won't do anything because the spotlight would fall on them - way more than it ever did in the Kennedy murder.

      • After counting the votes it looks like it's working [http]. Can't argue with success now, can we?

    • The GOP keeps finding increasingly unstable and frightening people for "leaders".

      Yes, I too, prefer 'cold and calculating', but the people have spoken and have decided to appeal to instinct.

      • We had a chance to elect someone who actually stated directly what he wanted to do, and how. Unfortunately he lost out in a long primary to someone with abysmal public approval ratings, who lost the presidential election to someone even more despicable. Politicians don't have to be either "cold and calculating" or total narcissistic assholes; there are other ways to get to the top - or, at least, there should be.

        • at least, there should be.

          Coulda shoulda woulda... The onus is on the voters. The candidates will always go with what works.

          • If only your "solution" was in any way credible as having potential for changing the system... There is lots broken here but you're trying to fix it with methods that no sane person would propose as being able to bring about positive change.

            In fact, if anyone is to blame for Sanders not winning to the nomination it is the people who couldn't be bothered to go to caucus or primary. When it was all said and done, Hillary had more votes even if we ignored the superdelegates. She wasn't the better candid

            • The onus is on the voters.

              but more people voted for her than voted for Bernie.... winner declared by the vote count.

              I believe I just said that. It not just disconnect, it's plain old corruption that discourages participation. The party serves its own interests, and its members serve the party. The people who believe otherwise are suckers. If you want to encourage more participation, encourage people to vote for non-aligned candidates who are more likely to represent the people that vote for them and not the people who finance them. Screaming that we must for the democrats because, *Trump!* obviously ain't gonna cut it.

  • Put me down for six weeks

  • So unless the "guns are teh evil" liberals have a paid sharpshooter, I'd give him until June 2018.

  • "Piss up", indeed.

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