Journal Marxist Hacker 42's Journal: Christian Distributism, explained 62
The capitalist solution is to allow one man to own most of the hens and turn to distribute eggs to workers who prepare the nests for him. The Communist solution is putting all the eggs into the hands of the dictator cook, who makes an omelet which is bound to be unsatisfying because not all the people like omelets, and some do not like the way the dictator cook prepares them anyway. The Christian solution is to distribute the hens so that every man can cook his eggs the way he likes them, and even eat them raw if that is his definition of freedom.
-- Fulton J. Sheen, Freedom under God, Economic Guarantee of Human Liberty, 1940/2013 (PAGE 129 -130)
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1) Give everyone 5 hens, and after time not everyone will have 5 hens. Some will lose some, let them die, trade them for baubles.
You'd have to take away our freedom to trade. But you can't outlaw stupidity; you'd have to play a whack-a-mole game of trying to compensate for it.
2) Not everyone wants to maintain livestock
Some people want to trade labor for sustenance, and not have to worry about owning and maintaining any means of production. You're have to take away this choice from people.
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What's not to love?!
This world.
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You have options...
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Yep, and the best one is to try to find one's way through this life, being open to where God might be leading you. Humans have souls and are created in God's image, so what we can do to help each other find our way to the greater truth, and ease one another's miseries along the way, is appropriate. While we endure this temporary banishment, that we set on ourselves.
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Life is "banishment"?
Humans have souls and are created in God's image
Reverse that.
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Life is "banishment"?
Yup. We turned against God (in The Fall), so now we're wandering the wilderness, like the Israelites did for forty years.
Reverse that.
"God has a soul and is created in Humans' images?"
Certainly the false gods of humanism and Leftism and the like were formed out of the distinctly human qualities of hubris and foolishness. But there is no soul in them, because they are inspired by the soulless one. Do we anthropomorphize God, to help us understand and relate to Him better. Yep. (Oh noes!)
You think putting one's faith
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Silly human [youtube.com], gives so much credence to his hallucinations to mask his own weakness.
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Vague; thereby meaningless. (Just like MH42's original, one-line reply in this thread. You guys are worthless.)
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Man's claim of divine authority (the emperor) has no clothes. Man did not "fall". There is nothing more to your god than anybody else's. They are all human creations to assert authority. It's like any other animal that fluffs itself up to appear bigger than it is. The word of the day is 'deception'.
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"Man creates gods only to assert authority" is as ludicrously narrow as it sounds. Even within the belief that religions are purely man-made, they provide a lot more than just that.
Oh well, while your hyper-simplistic thinking level is laughable, I respect that you did actually clarify.
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as ludicrously narrow as it sounds
It's not nearly as narrow as a mind that makes no attempt to understand distributism, simply believing it to be simple socialism/communism.
And as far as exploiting the power of the the *family unit* goes, the idea sounds great on paper, but Germany provided a small example of what the most likely ultimate outcome will be.
And don't let all your superfluous complexities swell your head. It's not a sign of intelligence as much it is of obfuscation and "fluffing up".
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distributism, simply believing it to be simple socialism/communism.
Then what's the difference?
All the rest of what you wrote is your usual digital diarrhea, that you almost always feel the need to include. I'd say you're about a 98% waste of time.
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Wow, you really have read nothing on the subject, including his links here and previously, not even the wiki? Well, feel free to keep talking about it. It reveals more about your character that way. With eyes (and mind) shut tight you march ever onward. Too, bad.. You're missing out on some good shit.
I'd say you're about a 98% waste of time.
Make the best of the remaining 2% then, instead of always dwelling on, or as you are known to do, making up the rest, which seems to interest you more anyway, as a means
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The main difference is in the role private property plays, and where it lies on the spectrum.
Ideal Communism the State owns Everything. The People own nothing. Everything is held in common.
Real communism, the Party members own everything and everybody else is slaves
Socialism the state owns about 75% and uses that to manipulate the market, and the State is a minority shareholder in every business.
Fascism the State is a majority shareholder in every business.
Crony Capitalism, the Cronies own everything, the
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Yeah, I got it a long time ago. Wealth/power is localized down to the family/community. It's a pretty good setup, but it can still lead to witch hunts and persecution against those who are different, or of a small minority. The family unit was at the heart of German propaganda leading them into war. It appeals to the most basic of instincts.
Growth and cronyism beyond the locality is natural and inevitable. Plus you can end up with the Hatfields and McCoys. Sometimes the irresistible force becomes necessary
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98% was being generous. You're about 0.2% content, and 99.8% put-downs. Goodbye.
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Public policy wise, I'm all for less power for government as it gets further removed.
But I can't accept that we all have to be the same, on being owners of the equipment of our livelihoods. I, and there are probably many like me, don't want to farm, and, in my case as a software engineer, don't want to switch to being a SaaS provider and have to own and maintain the damn servers and networks. I just want to labor for someone else, who does want to bother with that stuff, and then use my earnings to exchan
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Eh, so you moved the decimal. How can I not put down your silly gag? Did all your skin burn off? There is no "goodbye", only "until later".
p.s. Your relationship change thingy there only confirms that you don't like hearing the truth. So tune out. It does not matter in the grand scheme. I am just countering your shtick in the same fashion you present it to the viewing audience. Think of it as 'noise cancelling'.
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Funny how you take an analogy and think far too narrowly about it.
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Funny how you don't explain how that's so.
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This is a cute story. It isn't necessarily limited to chickens. It is about distribution of power to produce for yourself what you want; rather than stores. We're coming closer to that goal every day. Last I saw, 3d printers and CNC machines had dropped below $500.
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Distribution of power, indeed; Star Trek replicators don't run on smiles and happy thoughts. In a moneyless society, you'd need free power in addition to free replicators. But machines break down, so you'd have to have people volunteer their time to keep them running. If replicators could be advanced enough to replicate themselves, that is. (Then as long as you didn't let the last working one conk out before finishing making another.)
But here's a question: If that's the Christian way, why didn't God set
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At the same time we've been making advances in replicator-like tech, we've also been making advances in off-grid power generators. There's plenty of power if you do a simple environmental ambient energy audit; what mix of technologies you install for generation and storage for ambient energy production can't be centralized at all.
I would point out that the pissing it away is a rather recent addition based on a higher standard of living; even the lowest serf 400 years ago owned his own pitchfork, and ate wh
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On the "pissing it away" I meant The Fall; where God set us up not having to work, or need money, and we fucked it up.
And I don't get how it was that I was thinking too narrowly about hens when you come back with serfs and pitchforks from 400 years ago. If you've got a picture of how this would all work in today's non-agrarian and over-populated U.S., why don't you just paint it.
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Actually, the United States is very underpopulated, that's why we don't have a functional passenger rail system.
You could give every current resident of the United States the same amount of allotment of a middle ages English Serf, and still not have filled up Kansas.
60% of the population of my state of Oregon lives on 3% of the land. The freakin' federal government owns enough land in Oregon to give every single citizen three acres and still have land left over- and that isn't even touching privately owned
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Well, you get the federales to give up hogging all the space, and then I'll call overpopulation a myth. But it still goes back to one of my two original points: Not everyone fucking wants to be a farmer! I don't want to own or take care of anything, I just want to work. Where does that fit in to your economic theory?
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Why do you want to work without accumulating ownership? I suppose Stockhome Syndrome could account for it, but without ownership, retirement will never be a possibility.
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Why do you want to work without accumulating ownership [of the means of production]?
I told you, because I don't want to concern myself with it. I don't feel I was put on this earth to devote my life to amassing things. (And the size of my 401K tells me this feeling is probably right!) Just because I think differently than you doesn't mean I'm mentally trapped by something. Tell me you're not getting to be a dick like fusta.
And I think retirement as we know it is a fluke in history.
TL;DR: I'm trying to find my way through life, what God's purpose is for me here, and I don't think it's t
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Interesting, you just grew in stature several points in my eyes. And you make a very good point.
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In case you hadn't noticed, I'm "Bill Dog", I had just returned to Slashdot, more ornery this time, so created this new account to mark that. So my stature should be unchanged, really. I'm just older and grumpier (I think the older you get, if you're, in my case at least somewhat of, an observer and a thinker, you've figured more things out, and so there's less you give the benefit of the doubt to).
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Also, sinificantly less focused on material wealth. Sometimes unemployment does us some ood.
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Not true at all; I've never been focused on that. I live in a small condo, with fixtures and appliances like an apartment, I drive an 8 year old car, that I bought used, I hardly ever spend money, I don't go on trips, I live quite simply and frugally. I can survive small bouts of unemployment because I'm a saver, not a spender, because I don't feel the need to acquire things. Besides, my place is small and can't fit a lot of junk. I could've spent a bunch of my time learning the stock market, and have a
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I don't believe he has even read a single thing on it, not through you or Google. He has it totally mixed up with Stalin and Maoist collectivism, where all roads lead to Rome, instead of a "neural network" of sorts amongst the individual families and communities.
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Part of it is that like most Americans today, thanks to the suffragettes, he believes the individual, not the family, to be the basic economic unit.
I was just hearing something about that last night on Al Kresta as to why many Catholics, including Archbishops and Cardinals, back in the 1848-1920 era, opposed the 19th Amendment, but largely supported the 18th Amendment. Both of these at the time were considered feminism- women were the main people protesting for both to be passed. It is a sign that women i
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I kinda think individualism goes a bit farther back, to Protestantism itself.
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+1 Insightful, if I had mod points.
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Not so sure if it's insightful or just plain logical. They are kind of the bigoted hateful radical jihadists of Christendom. To me they do a lot of damage to the cause. It's not difficult to correlate the rise of atheism and anti-religion as the backlash.
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Oddly, that's not how the conversation has historically gone.
You've only got half of it right.
Capitalist: Jesus is a dirty leftist socialist SJW commie! His father was a hard working carpenter, but Jesus squandered it to become a jobless hippie! He just provides bread and circuses... sorry, "miracles" to the crowd!
Communist: Religion is the opiate of the Masses. Belief in Jesus keeps the bourgeois in power, and the proletariat from revolting. Therefore we must burn all the churches and make religion ille
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I was thinking more of how *Stalin* treated religious people.
There is a good reason for religious ruling over all- it really is the best model. Freedom and Liberty, as far as I'm concerned, lead only to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump- the freest country in human history, electing two "above the law" elite liberal genocidal maniacs to try to run the place.
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"Best at what?"
At allowing the human race to pass down hard won wisdom to the next generation.
" Human development was more or less the same in the last tens of thousands (since the agricultural revolution, which predated religion)"
Actually, oddly enough, no. From the Fertile Crescent (the Garden of Eden) to the Water Goddess of Bali, it is religion that enabled and sustained the agricultural revolution.
"Human progress exploded in those last few centuries."
Depends how you define progress. Those agarian feu
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"Empirically not true. The "human race" wasn't and isn't a single monolith. Societies across the globe developed independently, each gaining and passing down wisdom while having different or even no religion."
There is no human society greater than a single individual that does not include religion- AT ALL.
Those "arbitrary rules" actually evolve into place, and fit the way human beings survive in a place. You'd do far better to listen than to dismiss out of hand those rules.
"At the worse of times Christiani
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A single atheist can exist. A group of atheists, will argue theology until the cows come home.
Same with any other fundamentalist.
"Dude, aren't religious rules derived from the holy book/word of god?"
Somebody had to write that book. Long before it was in a book, it was oral tradition. Long before it was oral tradition, it was bedtime stories for kids by parents trying to impart wisdom to the next generation.
Most religions existed long before their scriptures were written. Scriptures are only necessary if
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I was responding to "I'm not sure how to parse that sentence. "
"So you admit that religion is no different than capitalism or communism. Somebody wrote the religious books just as somebody wrote books on capitalism and communism. "
Yes. From the point of the view of the radical skeptic, they're all scams.
" Religion is just as materialistic and enslaved to lust as any other, and is no better at passing down wisdom."
Well, it's better in one way. I don't know of any 2000 year old markets.
"In other words, they
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When capitalism (in its modern crony form, since there has never been a free market) or communism (in its modern crony form, since there has never been equality between comrades) gets to 2000 years old, you MIGHT gain a point. Until then, your worship of modernism and utter lack of knowledge of history is blocking you from learning.
"Except you said their day job is hunter/gatherer. Their primary job is to hunt and gather. "
The average hunter/gatherer society works a 32 hour workweek. Plenty of time left o
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Human progress exploded in those last few centuries.
That's only true if you measure "progress" by leisure time. It would be nice if that time was spent nurturing the spirit that emerges during one's lifetime, but instead we built Vegas. We give abundance a bad name and simply become wasteful and destructive. Reducing challenge atrophies the brain. I wish I could remember where I read that contentment is a bad thing, but I am beginning to agree with that assessment. That is what gives us the likes of Trump a
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Haven't been back to the moon in over a generation. We've recently found out that horseman is back from the dead, in the form of antibiotic resistant disease [cdc.gov], because you can't defeat evolutiohn. The internet is no different than the pony express, only faster, and could have just as easily been done with semaphore towers as routers.
"Free free to do so. As I said to MH42, the great thing about freedom is that you are free to do what you want, including nurturing your own spirit."
Tell that to the Democrats-
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I'm saying being faster, like thinking that we've slayed the horseman of plauge, may just be illusionary progress.
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Technological progress is here, that's not what I dispute. Post World War II slayed all the horsemen of the apocalypse. Every deficiency we suffer boils down to a disagreement over the price. Humans just haven't caught up yet. They still won't let go of the power inside the monkey trap. That bit of progress is yet to come. And the funny thing is, unlike the tech, that kind of progress can happen in an instant. It's a simple matter of personal choice. A thousand pounds of flesh can turn on a dime [youtube.com]
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our monkey brains evolve slowly... As above, our monkey minds are tied to our biology.
Yes, kinda proving my point that we haven't progressed. Our monkey (more like lizard) brain still determines our course of interaction despite all the contraptions we dream up. Our sole advantage is that we know better, so keeping the horsemen of the apocalypse alive is now by choice.