Journal shanen's Journal: Is Michael Moore right about Trump's victory? 43
This is my own dismayed reaction to Michael Moore's lists (one in email and a somewhat different list on Alternet) of reasons why Trump will win:
The email version was stronger, though he used some different points there. Not sure it should be in a top five list, but Mike didn't mention the plausibility threshold: The Donald has finally convinced everyone that it is actually possible for such a person to become president. Not sure when I was dragged across that Rubicon, but even I have to admit that the official nominee of the so-called Republican Party could become president. No matter what.
My worst-feeling agreement is on the enthusiasm factor, though my analysis is based on a breakdown of Trump's supporters into government haters, Hillary haters, bigots, racists, and authoritarians (fascists). Doesn't matter how wrong they are, they are all enthusiastic about their wrongness. There might be some people who have corresponding positive enthusiasm for Hillary, but I haven't met one.
Even if you do feel total enthusiasm for one (or more) of Hillary's policies, can you really be sure she'll do it? Sorry, but you know she's a realist and it all depends on the political realities. Also, even if Trump is saying that he's totally opposed to that policy, he's also said he's in favor of it, and no one knows which side he'll be on tomorrow. Do you hear that giant sucking sound? It's your enthusiasm.
Ultimately it comes down to bad economic models, but there are so many to choose from and all of them stink. For example, the mass media model of eyeballs for ads has driven the free publicity that Trump rides like a lawn tractor, mowing down everyone who has gotten in his way. Alternet is nicer, but it's running on fumes. (I've suggested better alternative economics, but I'm not a salesman and I can't push good ideas the way the Donald can push bad ones.) [Also suggested better economic models for slashdot, but they aren't interested here, either. Perhaps my ideas are so good (or bad) that they just have to be rammed down people's throats? But I'm not such a ram.]
At this point I think that America's best hope is that Trump is a big liar, and since he is, maybe we can have hope after all? No, because the secret truth would have to be that he is really a secret super-patriot and he realized that the so-called Republican Party is just a brand hijack. The secret super patriot would have decided to restore democracy in America by helping the so-called GOP finish its suicide so a rational and principled second party could emerge. I'm not saying that something along those lines won't happen after the Trump fiasco, but it ain't his secret plan. Now I'm just desperately hoping he's conned me, too.
Yeah, he can win (Score:1)
And that is thanks to the candidate the democrat voters put up. Think about that, and learn from it. The voters in both parties picked the very worst in each. That is nobody's fault but their own. Don't even look anywhere else. That would indeed be a waste of your time. You won't find the affirmation you seek. There are no yes men to rescue you.
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I went to caucus and voted for Bernie. My precinct ultimately broke exactly 50:50 between Bernie and Hillary with no votes for O'Malley or anyone else. I went to the next level as a delegate where we apportioned delegates for state according to how our state split (which went to Bernie as well). There was nothing else I could do for my local or state voting.
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But you are still voting for Hillary in the general, which is what you knew you would do since the beginning. I'm not shedding my conscience just to toe the party line. You too need to read the article MH42 put up in the previous JE. I will let it speak for me.
Zero cred (Score:2)
Don't need to look past the name to know it's a waste of time.
If my time were as worthless as yours, I would go find all of your worthless and stupid posts and comment carefully on your idiocy. I'm just glad I have better things to do.
I'll be here after you get the message and go away.
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You replied for a reason. Care to share why? You have this weird complex. Your obsessive attempts to offend are and will forever be futile. You are merely trolling. It truly fascinates me.
My eyeballs are burning from the stupidity (Score:2)
Whoops. Saw the first few words.
Because of politeness. Look it up. It's in all the dictionaries.
You have been invited to use your time more usefully, but you are crazy and stupid, so you might as well be crazy and stupid right here, eh?
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you are crazy and stupid
Well, thank goodness I have an excuse... but, can one really be both? What does your doc tell you?
Because of politeness
Where? Where? Where? Wait, let me get my binoculars...
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I'm not going anywhere.
Maybe you will. How long does your average sock puppet identity last?
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I'm not going anywhere.
"That's nice"
How long does your average sock puppet identity last?
Mmm, probably good for another 40 years, give or take
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Don't bet on it.
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I'm shakin' man!
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You shouldn't feed that mindless troll [fusta whatever].
For what it is worth, the dictators of Texas finished removing my vote this year, so I donated my proposed poll tax to Bernie right before the NY primary. Sometimes idealism is worth a few bucks?
However, I already knew that no one with such a strong philosophic streak could possibly win big in American politics.
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Yeah, not all the voters are nearly as philosophical as you are, So-crates. I'm more partial to Aristophanes myself.
How much stupidity can Trump harvest? (Score:2)
Let me predict a word from his sponsor:
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I'll take two, or is it only one per customer?
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Eh?
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He can win, but then he'll step down to let Clinton take his place, because he's the Manchurian Ass.
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Well the words he speaks and his followers are truly frightful. And now that he will get the "briefing".... well, I'm trying to put that out of my mind. Right now I hope it's limited to viewing the Zapruder film.
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Only Ronnie's hairdresser knew for sure, and only no one knows or cares if a troll is masturbating.
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Now that is an interesting theory to explain the United States 1983-1988......
Do you LOVE rude trolls? Vote TRUMP! (Score:2)
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Can't even agree with you I see.
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How many Zs should I be up to?
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Please, don't take this goof seriously. He's just running some kind of gag.
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Z^(n+3)
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It appears you're looking for a reach around.
Or Trumpists are like home invaders? (Score:2)
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He's right that Trump will win. (Score:2)
The rest of what he has to say is just vile spite and cluelessness like he normally is.
The real reason that Trump will win is not that he's actually good, but that that Hilary is such a outright corrupt criminal that even the media can't hide it, so most of the American public won't be stupid enough to vote for her.
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C'mon now, let's be honest. Don't make too easy for him. The game plays equally on both sides this year. I wonder how many democrats switched sides to vote in the republican primaries to poison the ballot, and of course vice versa. Sanders, in fact any democrat except Hillary could smash Trump like the proverbial skunk in the middle of the road, and Bush, Rubio, or Kasich could beat Clinton just as easily. But instead, we have the *buttered cat paradox* staring us in the face. And for mass media, it's a tru
Ask an expert (Score:2)
Is that masturbation or a circle jerk?
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Oh sorry, didn't know you were in the room. Did you say something?
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You will.
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Yep, it's a real buttered cat paradox. In addition to Mr Johnson, at last count there were 2 more national third parties and 67 other declared write ins. Anybody seeking to escape the Matrix need not avoid voting this year, there are plenty of better choices than Clinton and Trump.
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Always. Like your link said, make your vote reflect your character. So far I have yet to get any positive feedback on that. I'm sure the reason is clear to you also. I hope we are on the same page there.
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Need to get those go-away invites printed on nicer paper, eh?
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Yes, high gloss if you please.
You know the routine sweetie
If you are a rude dick, then you LOVE Trump (Score:2)
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For once, yes, yes we are. Their votes and bullying is also about THEIR character.
The highest form of troll love? (Score:2)
Does Trump love the trolls more than the trolls love Trump?
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Maybe- after all, trolling against Trump is still *free publicity* and with a warchest 1/40th the size of Hilary's, he needs all the free publicity he can get- even when it is negative.
Both belong in jail, not on the campaign trail, but Americans are idiots who buy into publicity and never do any research themselves.
At least Trump can fake sincerity. Trolls can't (Score:2)
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Save your keyboard man... Lets try the experiment and see if he goes postal. You never know, he might make the papers.
Trump lovers are unbelievably stupid, aren't they? (Score:2)
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