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Journal BarbaraHudson's Journal: The USA in 50 years? 32

Anyone care to share their perspective?

I'm not giving it more than 50 years. Doesn't matter who is elected, once disparity between the top and bottom becomes to wide, once those in the middle see that no matter what they do, they're going to continue to risk being part of the bottom, and those on the bottom rungs realize that this is their lot in life, "citizen" is no longer a source of pride.

Add to that endless undeclared wars with no clear goals (the last time congress declared war was in 1942) and the racism that was a characteristic of the country even before it was founded, even after fighting a civil war over it, still being in the headlines daily, and the insistence on clinging to a 2nd Amendment that threatens the basic security and freedom from fear of citizens, and the US no longer being a world superpower that can dictate policy with impunity, challenged now by both Russia (who annexed the Crimea with no problems) and China (South China Sea, and about to replace the US as the world's largest economy), and something has to give. Ultimately, the USA is no more capable of stopping a bloc of states from seceding than it was in stopping Russia. 50 years maximum.

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The USA in 50 years?

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  • I'll vote for whichever candidate says they will nuke the San Andreas fault, so California becomes an independent island, and Scottsdale becomes beachfront property.

  • "Den stranger."
    "Stranger end."
    "Anger trends."
    "Strand genre."
    "Render angst."
    "Estranged RN."
    "Gent's errand."
    "Stern danger."
    "Strange nerd."

    Nope. Still not very meaningful.....

  • This election cycle almost seems like the election where neither party wants to win. Ordinarily the democrats couldn't have asked for a greater gift from the GOP than Candidate Drumpf. However the democrats are themselves giving the GOP the greatest gift they could ever give them in Candidate Clinton. A ficus tree could beat either of those candidates, but with them running against each other all bets are off.

    Ordinarily I figured it was less than 50 years - more like 30 max - before the country split
    • Bla bla bla... Read about the fights between Jefferson and Adams. Back in those days some of them actually did shoot at each other. I sure wish they could come back to hear all of you bitching about nothing, especially when nobody lifts a finger to keep the vote honest, or even bother to vote for something that could win against a ficus.

      However the democrats are themselves giving the GOP the greatest gift they could ever give them in Candidate Clinton.

      Yeah, just like they handed it to Nixon with candidate H

      • You missed the point there, mista fusta. In spite of your efforts, I will vote in this election. The only commonality I see between the democrat and republican candidates is that they are both doing more to energize the other side than they are to energize their own side.

        However the democrats are themselves giving the GOP the greatest gift they could ever give them in Candidate Clinton.

        Yeah, just like they handed it to Nixon with candidate Humphrey, a guy who lost the primary by almost a 20 to 1 margin in the popular vote. And Mondale and Dukakis, jeeze, you thought it never happened before

        This is different. For over a decade the GOP has trained its members to respond to the name Clinton like a dog whistle, instantly churning up into a rage over just the mention of the name. The democrats have not always chosen the most

        • What "efforts" are you talking about? There are two other candidates on the ballot, one of them in all 50 states. But you are a democrat and will vote democrat no matter who they put up. Your phony bullshit, and lying (worse than Trump) of course, is so transparent. You really do need asbestos pants.

          The only commonality I see between the democrat and republican candidates is that they are both doing more to energize the other side than they are to energize their own side.

          That's what they're supposed to do,

          • What "efforts" are you talking about?

            Your obvious and long-running efforts to discourage people from voting, of course.

            There are two other candidates on the ballot, one of them in all 50 states.

            Gary Johnson represents my values as well as does Drumpf. The overwhelming majority of "libertarians" who go to vote will, as usual, vote GOP in the election. Jill Stein is a better match for my values than is Hillary but the results of a Drumpf presidency are too disastrous to vote for someone who cannot defeat him.

            This is different. For over a decade the GOP..

            No it isn't.

            You're simply wrong here. Sure, they despise Jimmy Carter and they make jokes about him. Similarly they k

            • Your obvious and long-running efforts to discourage people from voting, of course.

              Your pants are still on fire. Your legs must be charred to the bone...

              And the rest of your shtick, not worth the time.. Just more bullshit, as weird as Bill Dawg's. You guys are matched bookends.

              • If you put any more effort into discouraging people from voting you would likely start venturing into active voter suppression efforts. Your interests are exceptionally clear on this matter, even if your underlying motives are not.
                • You're still lying. Do you put much effort into it, or does it come naturally?

                  • Your accusation would only make sense if my statement were not supported by your actions. If you are no longer interested in discouraging people from voting, you have not demonstrated it with your actions here.
                    • You still lying... you get some of that gas on your pants? They're not just on fire, they are detonating.

                      your actions

                      Maybe, in that twilight zone of yours, you might show what "actions" you are babbling about.

                    • Here's a thought - maybe we SHOULD make voting harder, not easier. Then only people who really give a shit would vote.
                    • The problem is much more basic. I blame the parents for not teaching their kids to think critically. That's why fanaticism prevails and the cortex ends up merely serving the impulses of the brain stem.

                      But this Clinton/Trump thing is not even close to the bottom. That is looking at things through an overton window that is being shifted out of whack by our prosperity. In other words we don't have even the slightest clue how bad it would have to get before the republic finds itself in any real danger. It's jus

                    • Oh, the public is starting to get it. With no real increase in income while GDP continues to rise and the net gain only goes to a few at the top, they get it. So many of the latest generation know they're fscked. And this is pretty much the sentiment everywhere in the western world after the bank bail-outs.
                    • Actually a large part of the US population doesn't get it, and doesn't seem to want to. If they understood how screwed they really are, they wouldn't vote for GOP maniacs in the first place who only accelerate the class distribution. They would also be greatly disappointed by the likes of President Lawnchair and his conservative actions as a supposed "liberal" POTUS.

                      Basically we have a choice between conservatism turned up to 11, or conservatism at 8. There is no liberal in the race with a chance to
                    • Did you watch the wheels come off the Republican convention yesterday (Wednesday night)? If Americans are stupid enough to vote GOP after that, and this morning, they truly deserve the government they get.
                    • That will be spun into a great victory soon enough. Besides, they are already rallied together as Anti-Clinton, nothing else matters to them. Self-destructive acts are of no consequence to them in comparison to preventing someone named Clinton from ever again taking residence at 1600 Pennsylvania.
    • Drumpf

      DR the hypocrite; you whine about people using "BHO" and yet...

      • Drumpf

        DR the hypocrite; you whine about people using "BHO" and yet...

        You're comparing apples to submarines, here. I use Drumpf because it was the family name before it was changed. You use President Lawnchair's middle initial to remind people to be afraid of him. To claim to be on the same level you would have to drop the fear initiative and just call him Obama.

        • I learn something new every day ... grandpa was Drumpf [snopes.com].

          Mind you, who cares ... look at the Browns. There's more than enough to cause anyone to shake their head about what's going on in this election ...

  • "America can't survive much longer because <list of things (only) Lefties define as problems>." Yawn.

    (BTW, aren't you forgetting about Global Warming; one of the bigger (fake) "problems" as defined by you guys.)

    On secession, the federal government would put it down just like it did before.

    But on the time frame, I don't think it'll make it 50 years, before economic collapse due to (the innate economic unsustainability of) socialism. Our $19 trillion national debt is mostly [politifact.com] due to social programs.

    And

  • The gap between rich and poor was a LOT wider through most f our history. Granted, it's wider now than it's been in my 64 years, but was far worse before WWII. From the book Only Yesterday (Assigned reading in a college level history class in 1977, copy online at virginia.edu) and from my grandmother's tales, the "roaring twenties" only roared for the rich. Worse then than now, and the 1930s were even worse than the '20s. In the '30s the gap shrunk greatly and was probably smallest during Eisenhower's years

    • Actuallym it's not. In medieval times, people worked less than half a year to meet all their life's necessities. Today both people in a couple have to work in the vast majority of cases, and a lot more days.

So you think that money is the root of all evil. Have you ever asked what is the root of money? -- Ayn Rand

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