sm62704's Journal: Troll biting

How do you tell if a troll has met Bilbo? He's stoned, of course!

Despite going to the Biters anonymous meetings, sometimes I backslide. It happens; just ask any reformed alcoholic, for example.

My latest bite was extra egregous.

A troll posted a hate-filled racist flamebait and I bit, and bit hard.

The anonymous cowardly lyin' wrote

If you live in the ghetto and there's a lot of crime and you're poor, just keep having sex without birth control! That's right, if you thought birth control was expensive, just wait until you pop out 3-5 kids that you know damned well you can't afford! But that's okay, you can always go on welfare, that way you can have the government use force-or-the-threat-of-force (confiscatory taxes) to take someone else's money away and give it to you to support what you knew you could not afford. Isn't that wonderful! And if most people who do this happen to be black, don't you dare point this out, because why that might harm their self-esteem and OH NO we can't have that! If you then blame Whitey for your lot in life and for the fact that you refuse to make better choices, then and only then are you a TRUE NIGGA

Go ahead and mod me down for responding to this offtopic troll. I deserve it for biting. In fact I'm modding myself down with the "no karma bonus" box.

If you live in the ghetto and there's a lot of crime and you're poor, just keep having sex without birth control!

I live very near the ghetto and there's a lot of crime, but I'm middle class, you elitist piece of shit.

That's right, if you thought birth control was expensive, just wait until you pop out 3-5 kids that you know damned well you can't afford!

I was married ten years before I realized that there's no such thing as being able to afford kids. I now wish I'd had them when I was 25 instead of 35.

But that's okay, you can always go on welfare

No you can't; not in the US anyway. In case you've been asleep for over a decade, in 1996 Congress passed and Clinton signed welfare reform into law. Ir abolished the entitlemen AFDC, welfare with the goal of subsidising families and replaced it with TANF, which has the goal of getting poor people into the workforce and has a two year limit on benefits, five years lifetime. There is no longer welfare in America, Bubba. Tell your lord and savior Rush Limbaugh, would you?

And if most people who do this happen to be black, don't you dare point this out

Actually, most people who were on AFDC were as white as me, and I have hazel eyes, you stupid racist dumbass.

Go troll a non-tech forum with your stupidity. Judging from the troll you used, I suggest this one [democratic...ground.com]. Hiint: I've never been to that site.

-mcgrew

ps: FOAD.

There is no longer welfare in America, Bubba.

Sure there is. It's called the Earned Income Tax Credit, and even if you have no tax liability you are still "entitled" to it and more children = more tax credit. Note that more than 40% of the USA adult population has zero federal tax liability. They did not abolish welfare; they gave it a new name and a new face. It's still the same ol' idea though - income redistribution. This kind of micromanagement of our lives via carrot-and-stick tactics is precisely why an income tax is a bad idea. There is a good reason why the Constitution had to be amended to allow an income tax, and it wasn't because the Founders accidentally forgot to include it.

At any rate, the persistence of some kind of welfare that always rewards having children you can't really afford is simple (to put that another way, since your sensibilities seem rather tender, the reason why there is no government incentive to remain childless is simple). Our economy is based on lending money at interest. This is thanks to the idiotic decision to abandon the gold standard and embrace the private corporation known as the Federal Reserve. Basically, this means that if the population does not continue to grow, the economy collapses in a way that will make any "recession" seem like a picnic. So, whether it's really a good idea or not, whether there is any logical or moral justification for it or not, whether it's a sound long-term investment or not, and whether it is their province or not, the government has a strong vested interest in encouraging people to reproduce.

Actually, most people who were on AFDC were as white as me, and I have hazel eyes, you stupid racist dumbass.

The question is not whether a counter-example like you exists. The question is not whether there are more white people who received welfare than black people who received welfare. The pertinent question is, proportional to their percentage of the population, which group received more subsidies? There really is no debate about that one. The only debate is whether it is caused by racism or by things like a culture that does not value education etc.

Sure there is. It's called the Earned Income Tax Credit

Key words are "earned income". You have to have a job to get it, and what's more, a job that pays starvation wages. It isn't the poor person getting this welfare, it's the company that he generates wealth for that gets the government largess. Raise the minimum wage so that a wage earner can afford the cost of living and nobody will get the earned income tax credit.

But I'm sure a right wing facist like yourself doesn't belive in the minimum wage at all, that rules and regulations are for the poor while the rich and the corporations they run should be left alone by the government.

Corporate welfare is indeed still around, but welfare for poor people is not.

more children = more tax credit

That's the Child Care credit, and it's there so that widow White can afford babysitters for her two kids so she can go to work for starvation wages.

The question is not whether there are more white people who received welfare than black people who received welfare.

And I already gave you your answer, Mr. Limbaugh. More white people were on AFDC than all other races combined.

I'll try to have a journal about meatspace next week. maybe one about a meatspace troll; there are certainly plenty of them here in Springfield.