Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik." American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk. By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier. The incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy, which had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication.

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[nizo]

They are too busy covering the latest Brittney and OJ shenanigans.

I suspect this is all a prelude to the 2008 Olympics, during which some think Taiwan will declare independence. If the shit hits the fan (and it will if that happens), now ruminated on how well the current administration will handle things (i.e. as well as a braindamaged bull in a china shop, no pun intended). Yep next year is shaping up to be full of interesting times indeed.

Meanwhile Turkey is all set to invade northern Iraq. Since I alread

For your meal.

[vague_ascetic]

Some Fresh Herbs:

Juan Cole, Informed Consent, November 13, 2007
Poll: Turkish Kurds Would not Emigrate to a Kurdistan: 72% say US soft on Terror [juancole.com]

The Turkish Daily News reports the results of a poll of persons living in 14 cities in southeastern Turkey, which has a large Kurdish population.

Only 1% of those polled said that they would prefer to live in an independent Kurdish state in northern Iraq rather than in Turkey (where they presently live).

Some Aged Wine:

Hurriyet, July 21, 2006
Former Pe [hurriyet.com.tr]

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[Jeremiah Cornelius]

Sure it was... In the papers of one of those NATO partners! Thanks, Blighty...

When asked ...

[tomhudson]

The boat captain said "So sowwy, Wong ocean."

Seriously, everyone knows that diesel-electrics subs are a LOT stealthier than nuclear subs. You can shut down *everything* on a diesel-electric, and either just drift, or lie in wait on the bottom.

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[nizo]

Seriously, they need to make subs that transmit whale sounds as they drift along to help mask any other sounds they might make. It would only work once, but as an added bonus just think of all the bad press the US would later get from blowing up random whales.

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[tomhudson]

Headline: "Japanese "whaling research ships" harpoon Chinese submarine, get more than they bargained for, and are hungry 10 minutes later."

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[Shadow Wrought]

Well, they are called pig-boats;-)

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[peacefinder]

"Seriously, everyone knows that diesel-electrics subs are a LOT stealthier than nuclear subs. You can shut down *everything* on a diesel-electric, and either just drift, or lie in wait on the bottom."

Which is important to remember when thinking about Iran, which has a handful of pretty modern diesel-electric boats.

I bet the head ASW officer in that carrier group got quite an earful.

As Tonto Said to the Lone Ranger...

[Jeremiah Cornelius]

"What you mean, 'we', white man?" [notbored.org]

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[Jeremiah Cornelius]

Wow. Stockholm syndrome - and no sense of humor!

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[Jeremiah Cornelius]

It was no assumption. I was drawing a humorous precedent - from the esteemed Lenny Bruce - in indicating the general problem of using the inclusive "we", while assuming one's audience.

About 20% of the responders in my JE's are non-US.

One can also - I argue - be a patriotic US-ian, and oppose the military adventurism of empire, which serves Oligarchical forces and not the American people. It is these people by, of and for which America was instituted - but it is a Stockholm-like reversal of identification

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[Jeremiah Cornelius]

Like I hope I was saying - just a joke. I don't mean insult to you... or anyone. :-)

Last year

[Stargoat]

Didn't this happen last year? Are they late off the mark or did it happen again?

Damn

[NeMon'ess]

So was the Navy using the active sonar that causes whales to beach themselves? This is quite bad. If that sonar wasn't used, it will almost have to be used now. If it was used and this still happened, then that's just really bad as far as detection goes.