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Goodbye and good riddance

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  • How to suck his own dick, cos' the WH boys squad won't be around to help him out, anymore.
    • .How to suck his own dick, cos' the WH boys squad won't be around to help him out, anymore.

      Negatory, he's too pudgy. You gotta be fit to pull that maneuver off.
  • Glad we could finally agree on something again :)

    Ten Four on that scumbag retiring.

    You know what that means right?

    He picked all the fruit he wanted, so another scumbag will now "guard the orchard". Any guesses what we're in for with a different breed of asshole in command of "justice"?
    • Any guesses what we're in for with a different breed of asshole in command of "justice"?

      A different name on the door, not much else.

      Here's something I found...About Gonzales?:
      "He advocated the use of wiretaps in national security cases without obtaining a court order and the right of police to employ the preventive detention of criminal suspects."
      Nope. Former attorney general,...worked for...you guessed it...Richard Nixon...John N. Mitchell. I've seen it all before. Some things never change.
      • Oh I know, that was merely a "rhetorical" question. The answer, as you've stated, was obvious.

        Thanks for the extra tidbit of info on the new comer to the throne... ahem... chair.
    • Glad we could finally agree on something again :)

      Yeah, but for differing reasons. As I wrote to Bill Dog, when it comes right down to it I'm mad at Gonzo and Bill Clinton for the same reasons. I don't care what you are trying to cover up- when questioned in an official investigation, it is your duty to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. These men failed to do so. And thus are not worthy of our respect or their positions as public servants.
      • I don't care what you are trying to cover up- when questioned in an official investigation, it is your duty to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. These men failed to do so. And thus are not worthy of our respect or their positions as public servants.

        Incorrect. The original position of "president" was "king". These men know fully well what position they were (s)elected for. You and the others screaming "betrayal" don't. I agree that we've all been "sold a bill of goods" (minus th
        • The original position of "president" was "king". These men know fully well what position they were (s)elected for. You and the others screaming "betrayal" don't. I agree that we've all been "sold a bill of goods" (minus the goods). Problem?

          Yes, with your wording in the first sentence. The original position of president was "presider" or "patriarch", the first among equals. Ideally in the American system, the president is a figurehead- he merely executes the laws that Congress passes, unlike a king who a
          • Actually while the constitution was being "drafted" the title for the president was "his excellency". This is a fact. It was removed by the (unmentioned in schools) Committee of Style, of which Alexander Hamilton was the lead mind. They removed it because they felt that nobody would vote or even accept such a thing as it smacked of monarchy. And you forget that "limited" in those days meant more "incomplete". Just as "regulated" meant organized and well trained, not "regulated" as regulation means toda
            • I want enlightened men able to reason with each other. Something "transparent" government will not provide.

              But on the other hand, it's hard for men to become enlightened if information is hidden from them.
              • Yes, but transparent tyranny will not help. Transparent, also means "invisible" in some applications.
                • And yet, without transparency, without the requirement in law of there being a public record accessible to all, then there's no hope for an honest government of enlightened men; the politicians will merely say one thing then do another.
  • I have not been following the AG stuff. Can you tell me, in a nutshell, why all the hatred of him?
    • He was loyal to the President instead of the rule of law. He argued vociferously that the Geneva conventions were quaint and outdated. He reportedly pushed a drugged and nearly unconscious Attorney General to sign off on the President's wire-tapping plans. He blatantly lied to Congress. All told, he might not have been the most effective Attorney General, but he was one of the most unethical Attorneys General.
      • Does he also eat babies? ;-)
        • Nope. Please don't assume that I'm some crunchy-granola marxist. I didn't like Janet Reno either, and though I didn't appreciate John Ashcroft's religious imposition, I actually prefer him to Gonzales.
    • Incompetent (see his utterly laughable Congresional Testimoney) gets hired obviously by route of knowing somebody for a long time, and proceeds to fire a bunch of competent people for what looks to be political reasons, then conviently has incredibly bad lapses of memory when asked about it. Oh yeah, and there's the whole "let's torture people and not call it torture" thing.

      The hatred of such an individual would not be limited to the Bush Administration- I've known several C-level executives in my time th
      • Incompetent (see his utterly laughable Congresional Testimoney) gets hired obviously by route of knowing somebody for a long time,...

        That happens constantly. Everywhere. So nothing new there. How was AG incompetent? (Or, rather, how was he notably more incompetent than the normal amount of incompetency present in these kinds of appointed (i.e. political repayment/reward) positions?)

        and proceeds to fire a bunch of competent people for what looks to be political reasons,...

        That happens constantly too. And is
        • That happens constantly. Everywhere. So nothing new there. How was AG incompetent? (Or, rather, how was he notably more incompetent than the normal amount of incompetency present in these kinds of appointed (i.e. political repayment/reward) positions?)

          I'm not saying he WAS more incompetent than any other boss who is appointed to his job and sleeps through meetings. I'm saying that any boss who does so would engender hatred from his subordinates and members of the public who support those subordinates.
          • Ah, see, I do blame Bill Clinton for lying under oath-...

            The problem is, calls for testimony, including under oath, are often not under just circumstances. Is resisting going along with "really bad ethics" (on the part of the committee or whatever for calling a particular hearing) engaging in really bad ethics oneself?
            • The problem is, calls for testimony, including under oath, are often not under just circumstances. Is resisting going along with "really bad ethics" (on the part of the committee or whatever for calling a particular hearing) engaging in really bad ethics oneself?

              Without the testimony, we'll never know if it's under just circumstances or not. More information for the public *always* trumps a lack of information- that's the primary ethic of open government laws.

              In addition to that, you can't control the
              • Without the testimony, we'll never know if it's under just circumstances or not.

                That is probably the most naive thing I've heard you say yet. Even with testimony:
                1) If the other side doesn't think it's just, they'll stonewall, in which case we'll still never know.
                2) If the other side is foolish enough to play into their hands, they get misrepresented, and we the public get the wrong impression. Which is worse than never knowing if it's under just circumstances, because we'll be believing it is in case when
                • It's not so much trusting the politicians, as respecting the system of law, respecting the voters, and standing up for the truth.

                  It is my belief that the scandal wouldn't have happened had Mr. Gonzales simply told the truth: that of course the attorneys were let go for political reasons, that he truly believes in the need for warrentless wiretapping on international phone calls and torturing those who don't fit the definition of soldier in battle. At least that would have been honest.
                  • Almost 100% agree. There would have been a "scandal" anyways. Dems ran on, altho it's falling apart now, the "we're more ethical than them" meme, and some promised, actually publicly, endless investigatios and hearings. And one things journalists (i.e. Liberals) esp. like to do is take something that's been going on for forever, on both sides, and when Republicans are in power and are doing it (unfortunately), they write articles trying to give the impression that it is something new, or characteristic of o
                    • Yep. Plus, bold consistency can actually *defuse* the "attack by investigation"- remember what happened to ole' Joe McCarthy in the end when he ran up against a principled witness.
                    • Also- I don't see GW as being very consistent on anything other than Iraq, and his proposed budgets there have been very much at variance with his rhetoric. Not that, of course, he could have pushed through Congress the budget victory would have required, not without giving up something else like tax breaks, but at least he could have tried.
    • Wow, you guys went off on a tangent. Personally I hated him because he had no respect for the constitution - or law for that matter. Which seems really odd for an attorney general. I just wish they could've made that the issue in the matter. In particular: "There is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution." [thinkprogress.org]
      • I knew I forgot something. Yes, that's definitely a unique example of just how incompetent this man really was. However, that's not the question Bill Dog was asking- why the hatred, specifically?

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