Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

India, China and Russia account for 40 per cent of the world's population, a fifth of its economy and more than half of its nuclear warheads. Now they appear to be forming a partnership to challenge the US-dominated world order that has prevailed since the end of the Cold War.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

A good way to avoid that problem would be to start giving up that global supremacy NOW- and return to a like-tarriff system instead of free trade to preserve jobs at home. If we start making our own TVs and computers and cars again, or on a smaller scale put a tariff on steel and magnets and capacitors to make them profitable again, we could open a few more factories back up.

Tell the WTO and those international corporations that make it up that we don't need their help anymore- go elsewhere. For those th

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[iminplaya]

If we start making our own TVs and computers and cars again, or on a smaller scale put a tariff on steel and magnets and capacitors to make them profitable again, we could open a few more factories back up.

Why open a factory when you can simply raise the price? You think you would see a penny of that tarrif? That's what you and your neighbors fight over when you vote against each other in the elections. So who's going to be the "benign" dictator to straighten all this out? And if you try to completely clos

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

Why open a factory when you can simply raise the price? You think you would see a penny of that tarrif?

Because otherwise, when you raise the price, overseas competition with force you to shut the factory down again, thus throwing fellow Americans out of work. What are you, a traitor? I don't care if we ever see a penny of the tariff OR if we ever have foreign goods ever again- cheap foreign goods cost us more in wellfare and charity than they are worth.

So who's going to be the "benign" dictator to st

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[iminplaya]

Why should we care about anybody outside of ourselves?

Because, like it or not, we have to live with them. Try to think of the rest of the world more as your brothers and sisters, and a little less like the in-laws.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

Because, like it or not, we have to live with them.

No we don't. Japan went 1200 years without outside contact. And they didn't have OUR resources.

Try to think of the rest of the world more as your brothers and sisters, and a little less like the in-laws.

The one thing I'm begining to think the Islamic extremeists have right is racial purity.

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[iminplaya]

Because otherwise, when you raise the price, overseas competition with force you to shut the factory down again...

Sorry, didn't catch this. You misunderstood. The American company that moved its factory offshore still has no reason to reopen an American factory to pay higher wages, thus charge higher prices so less people can buy them, when they could simply raise the price from the foreign factory to cover the tarrif and pocket the change from the cheaper labor in that foreign factory. The only thing you w

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

Sorry, didn't catch this. You misunderstood. The American company that moved its factory offshore still has no reason to reopen an American factory to pay higher wages, thus charge higher prices so less people can buy them, when they could simply raise the price from the foreign factory to cover the tarrif and pocket the change from the cheaper labor in that foreign factory. The only thing you will see is higher prices and more money going to the pockets of those least deserving.

I guess to you, Americans

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[Scott Lockwood]

Tariffs don't work. At best, the encourage market inefficiency, at worst, they prop up a bad sector of the market for years after it has outlived it's usefulness. Same with subsidies. Ethanol, anyone?

Sadly, the real solution is very ugly. You need to effect change in other countries (*cough* *cough* CHINA) that prohibit manufacturing things with slave, child, and prisoner labor. You need to ensure that all the people working in your tech sector (*cough* *cough* INDIA) have the same compensation and benefits

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

Tariffs don't work. At best, the encourage market inefficiency, at worst, they prop up a bad sector of the market for years after it has outlived it's usefulness. Same with subsidies. Ethanol, anyone?

CORN ethanol maybe- but cellulose ethanol is now getting subsidies to get going and stands to replace gasoline completely (since we have *NO* shortage of cellulose in the United States).

Sadly, the real solution is very ugly. You need to effect change in other countries (*cough* *cough* CHINA) that prohibit

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[Scott Lockwood]

You're not actually under the illusion that ,A: Any of that would actually be good for the country, or B: that there will ever be even the slightest chance of it happening?

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

You're not actually under the illusion that ,A: Any of that would actually be good for the country, or B: that there will ever be even the slightest chance of it happening? --

A. Yes, I believe that distributism is good for any country, especially for the country on top of the food chain if they want to stay there. and B. Completely right, but because this country is so screwed up theologically; worshiping little green bits of paper in place of God.