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Journal Cyberdyne's Journal: $89,000 a year in benefits - and it's not enough 11

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Scary. One woman in England, with fifteen children (plus seven miscarriages) is claiming welfare payments equivalent to an $89,000/yr salary - in addition to free housing, healthcare and education, of course. Last Christmas she spent around $9k, including two PS2s, two TVs and a few bicycles. Her comment on this? The house the taxpayer provides for her isn't big enough. Never a thought of trying to earn money herself to fund her way of life, of course: that's everyone else's problem...
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  • don't like that at all. On the other hand, could you imagine day care expenses for fifteen children? Because you can't just leave them alone.

    And, with no mention of a husband, if she is a single parent, I imagine taking care of 15 kids is so tiring...I couldn't imagine trying to carry a job and then properly care for fifteen children. (Well, I can't imagine doing so for just one, thus I am and plan to be childfree.)

    I guess people can say she should have kept her legs closed, but it is a little late fo
    • And, with no mention of a husband, if she is a single parent, I imagine taking care of 15 kids is so tiring...

      Nope - he tried working once, but there was more money in not working, so he quit after seven days.

      I imagine $90k isn't enough to take care of 15 children (in fact, math tells you it isn't. I know that people make it along with themselves and a child for $6000k, but the cost of diapers and clothing and food...and imagine what kind of car she has to have to drive around 15 kids...

      I imagine she

      • Put a high enough bounty on rats in an attempt to end a rat infestation, and people will BREED rats for the money.

        Same here.

        The solution is simple: Take the kids away from her. Now. Today. 14 kids - she's in it for the money. 0 kids - no money.

        The public is paying for it anyway - better to make an example, and get the kids out of what has got to be one fucked-up family situation, and not have to have them repeat the cycle in a few years.

        We've had cases here where women have paid guys to get pregnant so

        • Unfortunately, in some cases, the stereotype of the "welfare mom" is true. Some people have such a sense of "entitlement" when it comes to government hand-outs, and work the system for all its worth. The simple solution is jail for serious welfare fraud and workfare for those who can work, but won't.

          Yes - actually, that paragraph reminded me of someone I know personally. During one job interview, at the standard "have you any questions?" bit, her question was "will getting this [well paid, full time gover

          • Reminds me of how, when VCRs first came out (arount $1300 a piece), who was buying them? Welfare recipients. I know 2 women who did that (one paid $1,350.00, the other $1,750.00). I don't know anyone who works for a living who actually bought one before they were less than $400.00.

            Makes you wonder who's buying the big-screen TVs. I know that in one case (a couple of months ago), its another welfare mom who managed to scam my aunt's credit card to the tune of $4,900.00 in just under 3 days, including a 42"

            • People are lazy. They want something for nothing. Like the woman you mentioned who claims its the university's fault for not teaching her enough - when its up to her to actually expend some effort to try and learn. She's probably non-orgasmic to boot, and then blames it on the guy for not "trying hard enough" to "get her in the mood."

              Oh, no - the guy is off in another country, working "off the books" and sending money back to her so it doesn't affect her welfare income. Mind you, she did make some effort:

    • I think the idea might be that a woman should have only as many children as she can support herself or support together with a partner.

      Asking the taxpayers to support your children is essentially asking them to abstain from supporting children of their own in order to support yours. And why is that fair?

      I think very few people would really want to see welfare payments cut altogether and children of income-less families thrown out into the gutter to fend for themselves. However, there's a qualititive differe
      • Oh, I don't disagree. And trust me, I am sure there are plenty of people out there that, if they had a way-back machine, would go back and then counsel her against having 15 children. But the fact remains that there are fifteen children.

        In theory, I would agree that she shouldn't have had that many because she can't support them.
        Okay. But what do we do about the fifteen children that exist regardless of sense? The only way to make her not have that many children would be to take them away from her and
        • I think we might differ a bit in what we mean by 'punishing those kids'.

          In my opinion, the responsibility of society (or, if you like, the taxpayer) to care for those children involves making sure that they are adequately clothed and fed, have a (decent) roof over their heads, and access to educational and health facilities.

          I refuse to see it as 'suffering' if those children do not have PS2s, do not have more than one family TV, have no bicycles, and have to share their rooms with their siblings: families
          • I refuse to see it as 'suffering' if those children do not have PS2s, do not have more than one family TV, have no bicycles, and have to share their rooms with their siblings: families not on welfare will have to save up/allocate money from elsewhere to acquire those things, or they will have to go without. In the latter case, are their children also not 'punished'? Why is that fair?

            It isn't fair. I was commenting on giving her the minimum possible to take care of all 15 comfortably. I apologize for poo

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