now tell me, how come that in the last years: "average" workers (at least in IT) either
a) lost their jobs because of the "recession" b) have to work for free or similar because there are too many people that are willing to do the same or c) have to work for 70 hours a week to have a life?
am I the only one who thinks that there's something rotten in the "american way of life"
b) have to work for free or similar because there are too many people that are willing to do the same
Then they need to retrain/refine their skills. I've been there, done that.
c) have to work for 70 hours a week to have a life?
Maybe it's the lifestyle that needs to be scaled back rather than the salary scaled up. Again, been there. I'm making 30% less than I was 18 months ago. I cut back and moved on. Not easy, but it can
the problem is - what's next? and how come that you're making 30% less than you were 18months ago, and not some CEO? are we really sure that their pay is what they deserve? Don't forget that you got laid off probably by one of those..
am I the only one who thinks that there's something rotten in the "american way of life"
Want a little cheese to go with that?
That's the way it goes. Enjoy the high income while you can get it. Be prepared for when you can't. You have a world of opportunity available to you.
Get a good idea, execute on it. Start your own business. Do what you have to do. There is even a world outside of IT if you can't find opportunity there. Just don't blame others for your situation, much like you wouldn't want othe
that sounds like what they were used to say 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago and so on.
think about that: you're working more than your parents at your age, and making less (compared with inflaction). what's going to be next? is this the world you want for your kids?
Pipe down. I'm a lot better off than my parents were at my age. Does anyone else here remember the utter disaster that was the US economy through the 70's and 80's? Can anyone else remeber "Stagflation", "Oil Embargo", or "Vietnam War"?
While we are at it, isn't it kinda nice to not have nuclear weapons aimed at us. (Yeah sure they can be retargeted in minutes, but at least we aren't waiting for Boris to hit the button.)
The world is different. You just can't compare today to yesterday with pure numbers.
This actually did GET a government investigation a while back. Typically companies were doing the following:
- Get into a bad patch economically. - Hire a new executive officer from outside to try and turn the company around. Pay him massive amounts. - New executive offer fails to turn company around and is dismissed with a golden handshake of millions of pounds. - Due to failing company, regular staff are laid off with no such perks.
a) lost their jobs because of the "recession" b) have to work for free or similar because there are too many people that are willing to do the same or c) have to work for 70 hours a week to have a life?
1) They didn't need to go into IT, but too many people did. 2) The resulting surplus started to break the trend of rising salaries. 3) The market is reseting itself, because there was literally three years of complete fantasy going on in IT. 4) EVERYONE will be better off as people who don't belong in IT go elsew
in civilized countries they have a way to avoid what you're saying: they call them union.. and they seem to work. Maybe they're not always the solution, but they help a lot.
"Be there. Aloha."
-- Steve McGarret, _Hawaii Five-Oh_
two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:5, Insightful)
a) lost their jobs because of the "recession"
b) have to work for free or similar because there are too many people that are willing to do the same
or
c) have to work for 70 hours a week to have a life?
am I the only one who thinks that there's something rotten in the "american way of life"
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:1, Interesting)
So did I, I found a new one.
b) have to work for free or similar because there are too many people that are willing to do the same
Then they need to retrain/refine their skills. I've been there, done that.
c) have to work for 70 hours a week to have a life?
Maybe it's the lifestyle that needs to be scaled back rather than the salary scaled up. Again, been there. I'm making 30% less than I was 18 months ago. I cut back and moved on. Not easy, but it can
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
are we really sure that their pay is what they deserve? Don't forget that you got laid off probably by one of those..
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
Want a little cheese to go with that?
That's the way it goes. Enjoy the high income while you can get it. Be prepared for when you can't. You have a world of opportunity available to you.
Get a good idea, execute on it. Start your own business. Do what you have to do. There is even a world outside of IT if you can't find opportunity there. Just don't blame others for your situation, much like you wouldn't want othe
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
think about that: you're working more than your parents at your age, and making less (compared with inflaction). what's going to be next? is this the world you want for your kids?
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
My ancestors were farmers, they worked their butts off dawn till dusk.
One day off in the summer would be vacation and a rare one.
My uncle couldn't play basketball until he was senior because they needed hjim on the farm and the high cost of basketball shoes.
Very little recreation time, except maybe during the winter and Sundays.
Me I work 40 hours a week make 45K, and have plenty of time and enough money.
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
While we are at it, isn't it kinda nice to not have nuclear weapons aimed at us. (Yeah sure they can be retargeted in minutes, but at least we aren't waiting for Boris to hit the button.)
The world is different. You just can't compare today to yesterday with pure numbers.
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
This actually did GET a government investigation a while back. Typically companies were doing the following:
- Get into a bad patch economically.
- Hire a new executive officer from outside to try and turn the company around. Pay him massive amounts.
- New executive offer fails to turn company around and is dismissed with a golden handshake of millions of pounds.
- Due to failing company, regular staff are laid off with no such perks.
The enquiry wasn't about the high salaries
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)
b) have to work for free or similar because there are too many people that are willing to do the same
or
c) have to work for 70 hours a week to have a life?
1) They didn't need to go into IT, but too many people did.
2) The resulting surplus started to break the trend of rising salaries.
3) The market is reseting itself, because there was literally three years of complete fantasy going on in IT.
4) EVERYONE will be better off as people who don't belong in IT go elsew
Re:two IT jobs to have a life? (Score:2)