I only use file swapping services for new release movies, software and pr0n. I have nothing to fear from the RIAA.
Funny that, isn't it? Even though the RIAA and MPAA are claming that p2p sharing is killing their business, you never hear the adult industry complaining about p2p. Perhaps they have modified their business model so that p2p sharing has only limited negative effect (or maybe even a positive effect). Boy, that would be something, wouldn't it? If all the fancy RIAA and MPAA business managers couldn't figure out something that Ron Jeremy did! Man, talk about humiliation!
Too much noise, viruses, and poorly encoded MP3s for me, thank you. But I definitely get my pr0n on P2P...
My warez (of which I of course have none) come from client-server model stuff - less noise, better chance of finding what you want, and theoretically, less chance of someone "listening in" and finding you.
Oddly enough, I just recently rid myself of all the remaining warez which I didn't have. Don't need it (not that I had it) anymore now that I've switched the last Windows box over to Linux and all the software I could ever want is free. Yeah, I kept a small Windows partition around for games, but all of those I actually paid for. Go figure.
The RIAA and the MPAA haven't figured out how to have a good time screwing each other, so they're going to give their customers the shaft instead.
If all the fancy RIAA and MPAA business managers couldn't figure out something that Ron Jeremy did!
Ron's got it easy: Unzip, insert, money shot, go home and get a beer. The fancy business managers are still working on the money shot bit, but they have figured out how to insert their heads up their rectums. I give the RIAA and the MPAA about 24 months before the
Tons of P2P porno clips have banners advertising (presumably) the site they originated from. That's because the biggest goal of porno advertising is just awareness and mindshare. The RIAA assumes that you know full well who Eminem is, now they want your money in exchange for his music. From VHS to streaming video, the "adult" industry has always been at the forefront of technology.
That's because the biggest goal of porno advertising is just awareness and mindshare. The RIAA assumes that you know full well who Eminem is, now they want your money in exchange for his music.
Part of that is because the RIAA makes money when Eminem's recorded music gets sold, but has no interest in promoting him for any other purpose. Artists will tell you, the real money they make isn't from CDs, the CD and the radio airplay that hopefully comes with it are what allow them to fill mega-arenas for the bi
This only applies to really big name artists on major labels. Or huge independent artists (pearl jam and the like). Most smaller artists loose money when touring, or break even.
If I use one of those p2p programs to search for "two metres of rubber hosing, some lubricant, and a yak", I'll get some porn that will essentially advertise vendors that cater to my (ahem) special needs.
Wouldn't it be neat if music were like that? People could search for "talentless, wigger, poseur, impotent" and get samples from vendors that cater to their special needs.
The Apple Music Store does something very like this. It looks at what you listen to (30 second excerpts) and buy, and it puts a header on the search page with suggestions for other artists and albums you might like, based on your search results, and the listening/buying habits of the entire web of listeners (several million).
Don't get me wrong, but I find it highly amusing that the social forces most responsible for technological innovation in 2003 are music and pornography, rather than the historically classic innovator: warfare.
I don't know about you, but I consider porn & mp3s to be a step up from blood and death as far as humanity as a whole is concerned.
There was a Wired article (several years ago prior to Wired sucking) that suggested the reason DVD took off and Lastdisc never really did was that Phillips wouldn't let porn onto the format, and thus it didn't gain momentum with early adopters prior to much "real" content being available for the format. I think it's more likely that laserdiscs were huge, but it's interesting either way.
I wish I had moderator points left, but I'll reply instead. That's the exact question I have been asking for a while. P2P is full of porn, but you never see Jenna Jameson on TV crying about the theft of her (publisher's??) copyrighted material. Maybe she should have a heart to heart with Britney...
The adult industry definitely does complain about p2p. Lots. But since the major news organizations are all in bed with the RIAA and MPAA, and not the porn industry, they only report on the negative impact it's having on the *IAA. In fact, if they reported that p2p was hurting pornographers, that'd probably work counter to the goal of shutting them down.
But since the major news organizations are all in bed with the RIAA and MPAA, and not the porn industry, they only report on the negative impact it's having on the *IAA.
Can you give examples? I admit that my reading may not be as wide as some but I really haven't seen this. Newsweek, in particular, has run a number of articles that were quite critical of the "intellectual property industry" and its efforts over the last year.
Sorry, I meant that they limit the anti-p2p reporting to the negative impact on the *IAA and related industries, rather than expanding it to include all of those that are affected, specifically avoiding pornography.
...you never hear the adult industry complaining about p2p. Perhaps they have modified their business model so that p2p sharing has only limited negative effect (or maybe even a positive effect).
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Wednesday June 25, 2003 @03:25PM (#6296380)
Even though the RIAA and MPAA are claming that p2p sharing is killing their business, you never hear the adult industry complaining about p2p.
It's true that the adult industry can't haul out a soap-box and scream bloody murder the way the RIAA and MPAA can; the adult industry has enough trouble with the wrong sort of reputation already. If the adult industry publicized how easy it was for Little Johnny to download pirated copies of hardcore pornography, it could backfire and trigger a new round of anti-porn legislation, rather than a wave of protect-the-porn-biz sentiment.
In any case, I have read at least one interview with a top adult-industry photographer (Suze Randall, I believe) who has been battling on-line piracy of her material for years, and who claims that the situation is increasingly out-of-control. Adult magazine sales are down - heck, Penthouse very nearly went under about a year ago - in part because all the photos in them are readily available on the internet within a week of publication. SR said that the glory days of her business were over - the fancy sets and high production values of her best stuff were no longer economically viable, because the prices she can charge for her pictures is falling. It's arguable that piracy has had a more dramatic impact on the adult industry than on the record industry.
Of course, it's also true that the internet has made it possible for any yahoo with a camera to start a porn site, and the resulting flood of bad, cheap-or-free porn that results probably has a lot to do with the flagging fortunes of the big names, too.
The other issue with the porn industry, which is not P2P or internet related per say, is simply the matter of oversupply. It is too easy to make a porn movie with inexpensive DV equipment, duplicate it, and distribute it. Because of the lack of any signifigant barriers to market entry, there are just too many DVD's, Video's, and websites out there.
Of course, it's also true that the internet has made it possible for any yahoo with a camera to start a porn site, and the resulting flood of bad, cheap-or-free porn that results probably has a lot to do with the flagging fortunes of the big names, too.
Yeah, I'd say that was for more likely. Assume for a second that you could not get any "high-class" copyrighted porn (Playboy, Penthouse, etc.) on the internet - i.e. nobody was stealing it. Who would care? There is so much free and amateur stuff out ther
the glory days of her business were over - the fancy sets and high production values of her best stuff were no longer economically viable
I think this is certainly true for the media industry in general, for sure. Time for them to face it -- they're not going to make as much money as they used to.. no matter how many laws are passed!
But ya can't blame them for trying I guess... thats just the way the corporate world is build.
Meh, I say.
Randall is not a typical case. He makes quality erotica, which thanks to Internet (P2P and not only it) is available to everyone, including people who would never purchase high-quality and expensive porn.
If you are getting a porn pic for free, it makes sense to copy the best one (since copying a 100Kb JPEG costs absolutely the same regardless of content). So you will save to your HDD (and may be share with others) only the best porn. But most of these pictures will go to people who wouldn't otherwise bough
They do. They imbed url's in the images so once you find something you like, you're enticed to check it out for more of the same. It's free advertising.
Funny that, isn't it? Even though the RIAA and MPAA are claming that p2p sharing is killing their business, you never hear the adult industry complaining about p2p.
How would they put it? "We are are being screwed!" ?
Even though the RIAA and MPAA are claming that p2p sharing is killing their business, you never hear the adult industry complaining about p2p
The thing is though, that P2P (well, actually the internet in general) is killing their business.
Although not for the reasons one would suppose (ie. the ones that the ??AA is claiming.)
Before the internet, the entertainment cartels effectively controlled distribution of their works - which meant that if you want to enter the world they control, you had to play by t
"Funny that, isn't it? Even though the RIAA and MPAA are claming that p2p sharing is killing their business, you never hear the adult industry complaining about p2p."
Yeah, funny thing that.....Its amazing how the porn industry is not only on the forefront of new technology, but also on the forefront of adapting their business to that technology. Of all the industries, I think you'll be hard pressed to find one more versatile and flexible in the way it conducts business. Hell, they can do anal, oral, vagi
Perhaps they have modified their business model so that p2p sharing has only limited negative effect (or maybe even a positive effect).
I know how to turn freeloading p2p'ers into a positive force for the RIAA's business.
Get this - it involves changing their business model!:)
Seriously, though, the artists make all their money by touring; when they release a CD, the RIAA screws them. So the MP3s should be free, as sort of "word of mouth" form of advertising for the bands. Then the bands go touring, and m
There IS a business model working on Kazaa.. You can find multitudes of pr0n to be downloaded and watched for a fee. It's the files that have the yellow icon next to them. Now only if the RIAA would do something like that maybe they'll turn a profit.
The only difference between a car salesman and a computer salesman is
that the car salesman knows he's lying.
Good thing (Score:5, Funny)
I only use file swapping services for new release movies, software and pr0n. I have nothing to fear from the RIAA.
Sharing porn (Score:5, Interesting)
I only use file swapping services for new release movies, software and pr0n. I have nothing to fear from the RIAA.
Funny that, isn't it? Even though the RIAA and MPAA are claming that p2p sharing is killing their business, you never hear the adult industry complaining about p2p. Perhaps they have modified their business model so that p2p sharing has only limited negative effect (or maybe even a positive effect). Boy, that would be something, wouldn't it? If all the fancy RIAA and MPAA business managers couldn't figure out something that Ron Jeremy did! Man, talk about humiliation!
GMD
Re:Sharing porn (Score:2)
My warez (of which I of course have none) come from client-server model stuff - less noise, better chance of finding what you want, and theoretically, less chance of someone "listening in" and finding you.
-T
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Oddly enough, I just recently rid myself of all the remaining warez which I didn't have. Don't need it (not that I had it) anymore now that I've switched the last Windows box over to Linux and all the software I could ever want is free. Yeah, I kept a small Windows partition around for games, but all of those I actually paid for. Go figure.
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If all the fancy RIAA and MPAA business managers couldn't figure out something that Ron Jeremy did!
Ron's got it easy: Unzip, insert, money shot, go home and get a beer. The fancy business managers are still working on the money shot bit, but they have figured out how to insert their heads up their rectums. I give the RIAA and the MPAA about 24 months before the
Re:Sharing porn (Score:5, Insightful)
-B
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Part of that is because the RIAA makes money when Eminem's recorded music gets sold, but has no interest in promoting him for any other purpose. Artists will tell you, the real money they make isn't from CDs, the CD and the radio airplay that hopefully comes with it are what allow them to fill mega-arenas for the bi
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If I use one of those p2p programs to search for "two metres of rubber hosing, some lubricant, and a yak", I'll get some porn that will essentially advertise vendors that cater to my (ahem) special needs.
Wouldn't it be neat if music were like that? People could search for "talentless, wigger, poseur, impotent" and get samples from vendors that cater to their special needs.
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I don't know about you, but I consider porn & mp3s to be a step up from blood and death as far as humanity as a whole is concerned.
-- Funksaw
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I'd like to see that!
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You saw her teeth? There's normally a large penis blocking the view.
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The adult industry definitely does complain about p2p. Lots. But since the major news organizations are all in bed with the RIAA and MPAA, and not the porn industry, they only report on the negative impact it's having on the *IAA. In fact, if they reported that p2p was hurting pornographers, that'd probably work counter to the goal of shutting them down.
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That's because the porn industry is standing off to the side, with a camera!
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But since the major news organizations are all in bed with the RIAA and MPAA, and not the porn industry, they only report on the negative impact it's having on the *IAA.
Can you give examples? I admit that my reading may not be as wide as some but I really haven't seen this. Newsweek, in particular, has run a number of articles that were quite critical of the "intellectual property industry" and its efforts over the last year.
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Columbia Journalism Review [cjr.org]
Oh wait, were you asking for Newsweek examples? I got nothing.
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Porn companies lean in close to Peer-to-Peer [216.239.53.100]
Porn companies pull closer to Peer-to-Peer [216.239.53.100]
Porn companies begin slowly caressing Peer-to-Peer's neck [216.239.53.100]
Porn companies whispers softly into Peer-to-Peer's ears [216.239.53.100]
Porn companies' hands glide effortlessly down Peer-to-Peer tight, young, body [216.239.53.100]
Porn companies gently brushes fingertips across Peer-to-Peer's naked chest [216.239.53.100]
Sure They Do (Score:5, Informative)
It's true that the adult industry can't haul out a soap-box and scream bloody murder the way the RIAA and MPAA can; the adult industry has enough trouble with the wrong sort of reputation already. If the adult industry publicized how easy it was for Little Johnny to download pirated copies of hardcore pornography, it could backfire and trigger a new round of anti-porn legislation, rather than a wave of protect-the-porn-biz sentiment.
In any case, I have read at least one interview with a top adult-industry photographer (Suze Randall, I believe) who has been battling on-line piracy of her material for years, and who claims that the situation is increasingly out-of-control. Adult magazine sales are down - heck, Penthouse very nearly went under about a year ago - in part because all the photos in them are readily available on the internet within a week of publication. SR said that the glory days of her business were over - the fancy sets and high production values of her best stuff were no longer economically viable, because the prices she can charge for her pictures is falling. It's arguable that piracy has had a more dramatic impact on the adult industry than on the record industry.
Of course, it's also true that the internet has made it possible for any yahoo with a camera to start a porn site, and the resulting flood of bad, cheap-or-free porn that results probably has a lot to do with the flagging fortunes of the big names, too.
oversupply (Score:2)
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Of course, it's also true that the internet has made it possible for any yahoo with a camera to start a porn site, and the resulting flood of bad, cheap-or-free porn that results probably has a lot to do with the flagging fortunes of the big names, too.
Yeah, I'd say that was for more likely. Assume for a second that you could not get any "high-class" copyrighted porn (Playboy, Penthouse, etc.) on the internet - i.e. nobody was stealing it. Who would care? There is so much free and amateur stuff out ther
Re:Sure They Do (Score:1)
I think this is certainly true for the media industry in general, for sure. Time for them to face it -- they're not going to make as much money as they used to.. no matter how many laws are passed!
But ya can't blame them for trying I guess... thats just the way the corporate world is build.
Meh, I say.
Re:Sure They Do (Score:2)
If you are getting a porn pic for free, it makes sense to copy the best one (since copying a 100Kb JPEG costs absolutely the same regardless of content). So you will save to your HDD (and may be share with others) only the best porn. But most of these pictures will go to people who wouldn't otherwise bough
Re:Sharing porn (Score:1)
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How would they put it? "We are are being screwed!" ?
Re:Sharing porn (Score:2)
The thing is though, that P2P (well, actually the internet in general) is killing their business.
Although not for the reasons one would suppose (ie. the ones that the ??AA is claiming.)
Before the internet, the entertainment cartels effectively controlled distribution of their works - which meant that if you want to enter the world they control, you had to play by t
Re:Sharing porn (Score:1)
Yeah, funny thing that.....Its amazing how the porn industry is not only on the forefront of new technology, but also on the forefront of adapting their business to that technology. Of all the industries, I think you'll be hard pressed to find one more versatile and flexible in the way it conducts business. Hell, they can do anal, oral, vagi
Re:Sharing porn (Score:2)
I know how to turn freeloading p2p'ers into a positive force for the RIAA's business.
Get this - it involves changing their business model!
Seriously, though, the artists make all their money by touring; when they release a CD, the RIAA screws them. So the MP3s should be free, as sort of "word of mouth" form of advertising for the bands. Then the bands go touring, and m
Re:Sharing porn (Score:1)