.. about as much as really fit people want instant and fully working diet pills for everybody.
If everyone was smart, the smart would loose their advantage. The same goes for knowledge. If there was a really easy way og absorbing knowledge, where would the power and fun of knowledge be?
Besides, I don't generally buy the notion that education for everyone would lead to world peace. I know about lots of extremely smart and knowledgable people that are just as (if not even more so) greedy, corrupt and violent as average Joe.
To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society. -Theodore Roosevelt
A good education really needs to be earned, that way you (are more likely to?) get decent character traits like patience, dedication and sound morals instead of just facts. =Smidge=
I believe Lawyers provide a direct and potent counterexample to your thesis.
While I believe morals must also be taught, at least having a more intelligent society would be a good start. At the very least it would cut alot of demogogues off at the knees.
i ride the short bus, in parallel w/ the other bits.
we stride the north truss, skirting where the mother sits.
ain't she pretty that hot momma chip a screamin'?
wish my address would let me dip into the dreamin'...
drat, we got some wait states now.
the grammar's fucked no one knows how.
could it be a wayward interrupt?
or (gasp) a broken pin pulled up?
protocol's misparsed due to spelling errur.
transactor's arsed, wee bits feel the terror.
so yeah, communication happens but it ain't no whizzy breeze;
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i ride the short bus, in parallel w/ the other bits. we stride the north truss, skirting where the mother sits. ain't she pretty that hot momma chip a screamin'? wish my address would let me dip into the dreamin'...
drat, we got some wait states now. the grammar's fucked no one knows how. could it be a wayward interrupt? or (gasp) a broken pin pulled up? protocol's misparsed due to spelling errur. transactor's arsed, wee bits feel the terror.
I have been sued a total of 7 times. Everytime it has been baseless and little more than a shakedown. In one case the lawyer bringing the suite was indicted for criminal practices and sent to prison.
While the lawyers I hired to defend myself were pleasant people, and some were old family friends, I have no doubt that the merits of the case made no concern to them and they would have happily been on either side as long as there was a paycheck.
So if you are willing to say that people, who are nominally
As Plansedragon mentioned, most lawyers are generally good people on a personal level. Their cients are generally more of a problem.
I'd also like to point out two things you seemed to have overlooked that nullifies your statement:
First, I mentioned that earning your education would make you more patient and dedicated. Most lawyers (even the truly sleezy ones) certaintly fit this desription - so my statement holds true.
Second, the words "are more likely to" make it clear that it is not a blanket statement
True. This is also why I'm actually I'm opposed to people choosing only the "relevant" courses in their education. These people tend to see any other courses as a waste of time. I see it as a way to mature on other levels and increasing your general level of education.
To everyone on this kind of "fast track" I just like to say: Calm down. Stress, and monotomy will reach you soon enough. Use your time at college and university to explore other types of knowledge as well, and it will most likely make you a be
"Besides, I don't generally buy the notion that education for everyone would lead to world peace."
It might not give us world peace, but perhaps superstition (e.g. religion, astrology,...) will diminish.
Or so I am deluded.
If everyone was smart, the smart would loose their advantage.
Yes, like their superior spelling abilities. *cough*lose*cough*;)
Personally, I'd rather see everyone smarter, including the smart people. That way the real genius could work on problems like cures for death, while the general populus would be smart enough to not need their constant advice. (not that they get it now, but so many need it...)
If I could just plug a chip in my brain and suddenly be able to speak, say, japanese fluently, I can't see a problem with that. Certainly for some people the act of learning is as much of a reward as knowing something. I enjoy learning, but there is only so much time in the day. Besdies, it's what you do with the knowledge that counts, not how you obtained it.
just as thin does not uniquely imply fit, smart does not imply intelligence.
Just because one can remember facts, draw cats, or perform fast calculations, does not mean that one can actually solve arbitrary problems. It certainly means that you can impress weak minded people at cocktail parties. It does not mean that you can figure out how to best repair a broken faucet or write a well structured memo.
It is the knowledge and ability do provide is confidence and perspective. And while some people take
"I know about lots of extremely smart and knowledgable people that are just as (if not even more so) greedy, corrupt and violent as average Joe."
on your definition of "smart and knowledgable." Personally, I always attribute greed, corruption and violence to an individual's inability to internalize some important concept, such as post-modernization.
"I don't generally buy the notion that education for everyone would lead to world peace."
Probably not world peace, but you can point out places where a larger
If everyone was smart, the smart would loose their advantage
You have to think beyond that simple calculation. Because if you don't, you'd find it advantageous for everyone else to be made much dumber. And we know that would not have good effects for you or the world, most likely.
Because you also teach values, like honesty and solidarity, and you must also teach with the example. Jesus, Ghandi et al. where teacher, and examples to be followed.
Knowledge can be teached, and values aside, it's also helpfull, because you become more productive and have a better welfare. That happens when the things learned are usefull.
- what will happen when technology(robotics, etc) will be so advanced that manual labor won't be necesarry (read, robotics will much be cheaper than Somalia workers)? Seems increasing intelligence of popupation could be one of the possible solutions, hmm...
People have to do something for a living, or be maintained. So the solutions are obvious, keep giving them work, or pay them to survive.
If you have robots farming efficiently, and doing mostly everything, why would you need capitalism? You'll only need markets, so that robots produce what is wanted, but only as a "what to produce" guide.
Now, of course, people will always desire to control others, so the end result, and how it works, that is, the important details, can vary to a great degree. You may found
And so Snyder turned to TMS, in an attempt, as he says, ''to enhance the brain by shutting off certain parts of it.''
I am struck by the similarity to Buddhist meditation, which can lead to insight, not merely intelligence. If more beings developed their insight (i.e., woke up!) there would be more peace and compassion.
If everyone was smart, the smart would loose their advantage. The same goes for knowledge.
Who cares if the smart lose their advantage? Given the opportunity to make everyone smarter, would we deny the less-smart people this benefit just because the "naturally smart" people somehow deserve to be smart more than anyone else does?
Even if the elitism of that idea doesn't bother, you, consider that smart people often spend a large portion of their time and energy trying to convince dumb people that their good ideas are in fact good ideas, or trying to explain their ideas to dumb people so that the dumb people can use them effectively. Being surrounded by smart people would make you (as a smart person) much more effective than trying to get your work done with the help of dumb people.
If there was a really easy way of absorbing knowledge, where would the power and fun of knowledge be?
Knowledge's main use isn't to be fun or make you powerful, it's to help get things done. And in any case, I suspect most people find the skillful application of knowledge much more rewarding then the tedious and difficult process of gaining that knowledge.
"Besides, I don't generally buy the notion that education for everyone would lead to world peace. I know about lots of extremely smart and knowledgable people that are just as (if not even more so) greedy, corrupt and violent as average Joe."
Faust comes to mind. Its a story about a man during the renaissance who makes contact with a "demon" who will give him all the information he wants...provided he listen no matter what the demon tells him. Well, he gets knowledge about a lot of new technology and know
You assume that "smart" people have some sort of advantage. But to what, and what determines that someone is "smart" - the fact they can slog through college and gain initials after their name? Does that make them any more intelligent than than the garbage collector who may be a fantastic artist or musician in his spare time?
Do you assume that managers or CEOs in organizations are so much smarter than anyone else? Or perhaps it's simply that they had connection
I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2, Insightful)
If everyone was smart, the smart would loose their advantage. The same goes for knowledge. If there was a really easy way og absorbing knowledge, where would the power and fun of knowledge be?
Besides, I don't generally buy the notion that education for everyone would lead to world peace. I know about lots of extremely smart and knowledgable people that are just as (if not even more so) greedy, corrupt and violent as average Joe.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
goddamit, I want more smart people to hang out with. This would be much easier if there were more smart people.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:4, Insightful)
To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society. -Theodore Roosevelt
A good education really needs to be earned, that way you (are more likely to?) get decent character traits like patience, dedication and sound morals instead of just facts.
=Smidge=
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
While I believe morals must also be taught, at least having a more intelligent society would be a good start. At the very least it would cut alot of demogogues off at the knees.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1)
the moral ones are mostly prosecuters (though there are scoundrles there)
so the defence and civil lawyers all cheated there way off the prosecuters.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
people of high intelligence don't get bored (Score:1)
people of high intelligence don't get bored (Score:1)
i ride the short bus, in parallel w/ the other bits.
we stride the north truss, skirting where the mother sits.
ain't she pretty that hot momma chip a screamin'?
wish my address would let me dip into the dreamin'...
drat, we got some wait states now.
the grammar's fucked no one knows how.
could it be a wayward interrupt?
or (gasp) a broken pin pulled up?
protocol's misparsed due to spelling errur.
transactor's arsed, wee bits feel the terror.
so yeah, communication happens b
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't know about you, but every lawyer I've ever met has been compassionate, ethical, and an all-around nice guy.
They just get (very) bad press because they have to do what their clients want, and their clients are often rich, and, ergo, often scumbags.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
While the lawyers I hired to defend myself were pleasant people, and some were old family friends, I have no doubt that the merits of the case made no concern to them and they would have happily been on either side as long as there was a paycheck.
So if you are willing to say that people, who are nominally
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1)
I'd also like to point out two things you seemed to have overlooked that nullifies your statement:
First, I mentioned that earning your education would make you more patient and dedicated. Most lawyers (even the truly sleezy ones) certaintly fit this desription - so my statement holds true.
Second, the words "are more likely to" make it clear that it is not a blanket statement
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
To everyone on this kind of "fast track" I just like to say:
Calm down. Stress, and monotomy will reach you soon enough. Use your time at college and university to explore other types of knowledge as well, and it will most likely make you a be
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
I want no superstition (Score:1)
It might not give us world peace, but perhaps superstition (e.g. religion, astrology,...) will diminish.
Or so I am deluded.
Re:I want no superstition (Score:1)
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1, Insightful)
Yes, like their superior spelling abilities. *cough*lose*cough*
Personally, I'd rather see everyone smarter, including the smart people. That way the real genius could work on problems like cures for death, while the general populus would be smart enough to not need their constant advice. (not that they get it now, but so many need it...)
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1)
And then even smarter people could work on problems like overpopulation
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:3, Insightful)
Just because one can remember facts, draw cats, or perform fast calculations, does not mean that one can actually solve arbitrary problems. It certainly means that you can impress weak minded people at cocktail parties. It does not mean that you can figure out how to best repair a broken faucet or write a well structured memo.
It is the knowledge and ability do provide is confidence and perspective. And while some people take
I guess it depends . . . (Score:2)
on your definition of "smart and knowledgable." Personally, I always attribute greed, corruption and violence to an individual's inability to internalize some important concept, such as post-modernization.
"I don't generally buy the notion that education for everyone would lead to world peace."
Probably not world peace, but you can point out places where a larger
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
You have to think beyond that simple calculation. Because if you don't, you'd find it advantageous for everyone else to be made much dumber. And we know that would not have good effects for you or the world, most likely.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
Knowledge can be teached, and values aside, it's also helpfull, because you become more productive and have a better welfare. That happens when the things learned are usefull.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1)
- what will happen when technology(robotics, etc) will be so advanced that manual labor won't be necesarry (read, robotics will much be cheaper than Somalia workers)? Seems increasing intelligence of popupation could be one of the possible solutions, hmm...
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
If you have robots farming efficiently, and doing mostly everything, why would you need capitalism? You'll only need markets, so that robots produce what is wanted, but only as a "what to produce" guide.
Now, of course, people will always desire to control others, so the end result, and how it works, that is, the important details, can vary to a great degree. You may found
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1)
And so Snyder turned to TMS, in an attempt, as he says, ''to enhance the brain by shutting off certain parts of it.''
I am struck by the similarity to Buddhist meditation, which can lead to insight, not merely intelligence. If more beings developed their insight (i.e., woke up!) there would be more peace and compassion.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:5, Insightful)
Who cares if the smart lose their advantage? Given the opportunity to make everyone smarter, would we deny the less-smart people this benefit just because the "naturally smart" people somehow deserve to be smart more than anyone else does?
Even if the elitism of that idea doesn't bother, you, consider that smart people often spend a large portion of their time and energy trying to convince dumb people that their good ideas are in fact good ideas, or trying to explain their ideas to dumb people so that the dumb people can use them effectively. Being surrounded by smart people would make you (as a smart person) much more effective than trying to get your work done with the help of dumb people.
If there was a really easy way of absorbing knowledge, where would the power and fun of knowledge be?
Knowledge's main use isn't to be fun or make you powerful, it's to help get things done. And in any case, I suspect most people find the skillful application of knowledge much more rewarding then the tedious and difficult process of gaining that knowledge.
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1)
Faust comes to mind. Its a story about a man during the renaissance who makes contact with a "demon" who will give him all the information he wants...provided he listen no matter what the demon tells him. Well, he gets knowledge about a lot of new technology and know
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:1)
You assume that "smart" people have some sort of advantage. But to what, and what determines that someone is "smart" - the fact they can slog through college and gain initials after their name? Does that make them any more intelligent than than the garbage collector who may be a fantastic artist or musician in his spare time?
Do you assume that managers or CEOs in organizations are so much smarter than anyone else? Or perhaps it's simply that they had connection
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
Re:I want intelligence for everybody (Score:2)
When smart people are outlawed, only outlaws will be smart people.