The problems with the Plan9 licence generally do not bother much of the developers, even though occasionaly flamefests erupt on the plan9 mailing lists.
According to the people at Bell Labs, if the Lucent lawyers agree, Plan9's licence could immediately be changed to something more in terms with RMS' revolution.
Unfortunately those same lawyers have been petitioned quite so many times already.
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Sunday April 28, 2002 @11:52AM (#3424738)
Richard Stallman's idea is to have a socialist police state which pays everyone equally no matter how talented they are -- the janitor makes the same amount of money as the computer programmer -- and programmers will be forced to release software under the GPL, and if they don't release under the GPL we throw them out of town and take their car, home, etc. Long live the revolution!
Don't like giving half your paycheck to the state? Just wait until you have to give 75-90% of it to the state. It has already happened in some European countries, and it will happen here too if people who think like Richard Stallman get into power.
What a bunch of crap. Yeah, Europe really embraced the concept of personal liberty and freedom during the 4th to 18th centuries. Ever heard of KINGS?
Well, I guess you're right. Of course, there were little bits here and there, starting with a limitation of the King's power in the 13th century with the Magna Carta, then the English Civil War, resulting in regicide and an electable parliament in the 17th century, oh yes, and all those rules like "innocent until proven guilty" trial by jury, banning of torture, goodness knows where America took all that from. The protestant reformation in Germany in the 16th century. The French revolution in the 18th "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity".
Hm, maybe not so right! And let's ask ourselves how free America really was. Early on, the amount of federal power reassigned to states and settlements meant horrendous denials of liberty from the Puritan movement. More currently, being black excluded you from the glory of equality throughout the country until the 1960s!
Or how about the strict separation of classes? There was ZERO chance to lift yourself out of a lower class into an upper class.
Should have told my great-grandfather that, he built a theatre business up in late 19th century Britain. That was merely a counterexample to "ZERO" -- no-one's denying the awful separation of classes. Which exists in America today. Open your eyes on your next walk/drive to work, to see what different kinds of work people do.. ya reckon they'll all be running the country in 20 years time, if they try hard enough? Bush Sr, Bush Jr. Exactly.
Europe is stuck in the concept of "everyone must know their place". Maybe someday they'll embrace the concept of liberty and freedom and catch up with the US. But to do that, they have to shed Socialism, which is incompatible with freedom.
Since that remark was qualification-free, I'll ignore it. I assume you've never lived or worked in Europe. And what rights does a US citizen get that a UK one doesn't? Apart from more paperwork for gun ownership, but even the police don't get guns in the UK:-). Hm, drugs, prostitution, victimless crimes to a capitalist, right? I guess Holland beats the US on that. The right to freedom of speech.. Spain has a strong communist party.. can't naturalise in the US if you've ever had communist ties.. one more point for Europe. The Data Protection Act -- the EU version of the right to privacy -- got that? Nope, thought not, any company/individual can play with your personal info there. Want more examples?
There is a reason that so many people try to leave Europe and emigrate to the US. It's because the intelligent people want to be rewarded for hard work, rather than work to support a bunch whiny eurotrash who think that everyone owes them something.
I wanted to once, until I actually stayed there a while. Sorry. I didn't feel the US rewarded for hard work, but for profit-making work. Anyone can get rich/powerful (hell, I know I can), but that's all been done before, by amoebae, dinosaurs, monkeys and cavemen -- where's the challenge?
It's funny how there isn't a huge demand to emgrate from the US to the European paradises, isn't it?
I don't know the figures, I certainly know of quite a few who have moved to the UK. For its contrasting peacefulness, mostly. I'd say the prime reason for this is that the US is taught that the US is best from school onwards, and convinced that there are no (good) alternatives. Meanwhile, most Europeans are left to make their own decisions.
Europe is stuck in the concept of "everyone must know their place". Maybe someday they'll embrace the concept of liberty and freedom and catch up with the US.
And you're posting this on... Slashdot. Right. You know, occasionally there are stories on here about Microsoft, and other big corporations. You should try reading one of those stories some time, and see whether US citizens feel enfranchised, or whether they actually feel the system is vastly biased in favour of the rich.
And last time I was in the States, I was actually struck by the number of pointlessly intrusive laws. Huge roads through the middle of nowhere had 50mph speed limits; people under the age of 21 weren't allowed to drink a beer - even at home; I bought a bottle of bathroom cleaner that said "it is a federal offence to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labelling"; my hosts even explained to me it was illegal to park my car facing the wrong way. Yay liberty and freedom.
If socialism is done through compassion, then I assume all European workers aren't taxed, they just hand in their money after they cash each paycheck, right?
(and while you're at it, try to stop paying tax in That Great Free America and see what happens)
america is free as in freedom, not free as in beer. someone has to pay for stuff. like our police, fire fighters, postal service, all the free shit we can request from the gov't (paid for by taxes, really) all things considered i don't mind paying.
I live in London, and the air quality here is appalling compared to most US cities I've visited - over there, I can actually *smell* the car fumes are cleaner...
Have to agree about transport though - despite the hassles of public transport in London, it is still easy enough to get around without a car.
I live in a so-called third world country, where Liberty is a choice between work hard or starve to death, in the best case. The GNU General Public License is the only oportunity for people like us (tha vast majority of the world) to get involved in the technological revolution, to learn, and to get a subsistence medium.
Two and a half years ago, I even din't have a computer. Today, thanks to GNU/Linux, I have a skill, I can pay may college, and I eat. It wasn't easy (and it isn't) at all, but is the only chance we got here, and I thank to it. Is that socialist, or "un-american"? I don't think so. It's the most democratic thing in the IT world. And as long as you continue living in your bubble of shit, you'll never undestand it.
Greetings from Argentina.
Dario.
"An organization dries up if you don't challenge it with growth."
-- Mark Shepherd, former President and CEO of Texas Instruments
The Plan 9 Licence (Score:5, Informative)
According to the people at Bell Labs, if the Lucent lawyers agree, Plan9's licence could immediately be changed to something more in terms with RMS' revolution.
Unfortunately those same lawyers have been petitioned quite so many times already.
Richard Stallman's vision (Score:0)
Don't like giving half your paycheck to the state? Just wait until you have to give 75-90% of it to the state. It has already happened in some European countries, and it will happen here too if people who think like Richard Stallman get into power.
Re:Richard Stallman's vision QWZX (Score:1, Interesting)
Hm, maybe not so right! And let's ask ourselves how free America really was. Early on, the amount of federal power reassigned to states and settlements meant horrendous denials of liberty from the Puritan movement. More currently, being black excluded you from the glory of equality throughout the country until the 1960s!
Should have told my great-grandfather that, he built a theatre business up in late 19th century Britain. That was merely a counterexample to "ZERO" -- no-one's denying the awful separation of classes. Which exists in America today. Open your eyes on your next walk/drive to work, to see what different kinds of work people do.. ya reckon they'll all be running the country in 20 years time, if they try hard enough? Bush Sr, Bush Jr. Exactly. Since that remark was qualification-free, I'll ignore it. I assume you've never lived or worked in Europe. And what rights does a US citizen get that a UK one doesn't? Apart from more paperwork for gun ownership, but even the police don't get guns in the UKRe:Richard Stallman's vision QWZX (Score:2)
And you're posting this on... Slashdot. Right. You know, occasionally there are stories on here about Microsoft, and other big corporations. You should try reading one of those stories some time, and see whether US citizens feel enfranchised, or whether they actually feel the system is vastly biased in favour of the rich.
And last time I was in the States, I was actually struck by the number of pointlessly intrusive laws. Huge roads through the middle of nowhere had 50mph speed limits; people under the age of 21 weren't allowed to drink a beer - even at home; I bought a bottle of bathroom cleaner that said "it is a federal offence to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labelling"; my hosts even explained to me it was illegal to park my car facing the wrong way. Yay liberty and freedom.
Re:Richard Stallman's vision (Score:1)
Re:Richard Stallman's vision (Score:1)
america is free as in freedom, not free as in beer. someone has to pay for stuff. like our police, fire fighters, postal service, all the free shit we can request from the gov't (paid for by taxes, really) all things considered i don't mind paying.
Re:Richard Stallman's vision (Score:2)
Have to agree about transport though - despite the hassles of public transport in London, it is still easy enough to get around without a car.
Re:Richard Stallman's vision (Score:1)